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[Turnip Root]

I have been a fan of Bioware since even before the days of Baldur's Gate.  I was a mech-sim fan in the late 90's and Shattered Steel along with Starsiege were two of my favorites during the day.  This is the company that has provided me and many others with some of the most memorable moments in gaming and I think they deserve better than the inecessant insults, trash-talking, bragging about piracy, and downright venemous rhetoric that has plagued these forums and others.
Not to say that their work is not subject to any criticism but I think it's important to realize that nobody is perfect.  I loved Dragon Age II but I can understand why some of the changes may have upset some PC gamers and certainly they are justified in expressing their opinion.  That being said, I think there are ways to state constructive criticism without the extreme hyperbole.
Even if you believe Dragon Age II is inferior to it's predecessor that does not automatically mean that Bioware is now terrible.  Zelda II and Mario 2 are considered by most to be inferior to the original games but they're still nonetheless considered solid games that are worthy additions to their respective franchises.  I imagine Dragon Age II will be remembered the same way.

Also, I think it's important for people to remember that some of the questionable things which have happened such as the banning of a player from his game because of forum activity is not the fault of Bioware.  Bioware is a development company which is a subsidary of EA and it's EA which sets the policies for user agreements and such.  I definetly don't condone EA's behaviour here but I applaud the forum for speaking out against this injustice and I feel that EA has gotten the appropriate message.

This post is getting a bit preachy so let me just conclude by reminding people that this company you're utterly trashing is the same company that brought us Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dragon Age:Origins, Baldur's Gate I&II, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, MDK II, all of which are considered some of the best games ever made, they deserve respect even when it comes to criticism.

Modifié par Turnip Root, 13 mars 2011 - 12:52 .

[RoninOmega]

I hear you man, I pray their situation gets better, right now it doesn't look so good

[Vxed]

Maybe some the people who are "soooo upset" and "sooo deceived" And thinks Bioware is so bad and "not purchasing any future products" Should also start trashing Dragon Age, and BG 1 and 2 and Mass Effect 1 and 2 and KOTOR. Bioware made all those titles, i suppose its best they never play them again too.

Right?

[Dirty Whore]

Look man, I've been a BioWare fan as long as you have but I have to call it like I see it: Dragon age 2 has great potential. HOWEVER, it WAS rushed, either by EA's greed, or BioWare's overconfidence...

I am confident they will not make this mistake again with DA3...if they do, I will simply have to move on and accept that one of my favorite video game companies is no longer the company I came to love.

Thank You EA.

[OmegaBlue0231]

It's the same reason why people got pissed at just about every President in US history, they didn't give them what they want when they wanted it so they yelled that they were the worst and threatened to stop supporting them.

In another year most of these people will put it behind them and move on, I just pray to god ME3 is very awesome or this will happened all over again but with the full force of ME and DA fans combined.

[jds1bio]

Dirty **** wrote...

Look man, I've been a BioWare fan as long as you have but I have to call it like I see it: Dragon age 2 has great potential. HOWEVER, it WAS rushed, either by EA's greed, or BioWare's overconfidence...

I am confident they will not make this mistake again with DA3...if they do, I will simply have to move on and accept that one of my favorite video game companies is no longer the company I came to love.

Thank You EA.

How long did you play DA2 before arriving at your viewpoint?  Several people on the forums who actually played the game gave it about 10 hours before giving up/in.

[2papercuts]

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

[Turnip Root]

RoninOmega wrote...

I hear you man, I pray their situation gets better, right now it doesn't look so good

I wouldn't worry too much.  A mistake does not mean the end of everything.  Mistakes made in games can serve as a foundation to learn and improve future games.  The mistakes made in Dragon Age 2 may very well make Bioware a better company and lets be honest, this had to happen eventually.  Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age:Origins, KOTOR were such complete masterpieces that it had to happen eventually that they release a game that doesn't quite live up to the standards of their previous releases.

That doesn't make Bioware a bad company, it doesn't mean that Bioware is ruined.  It just shows that nobody is perfect and we should drop this rhetoric of apolcayptic doom for Bioware. 
I can understand why people think Dragon Age Origins is the superior game but people who are saying this is an outright terrible RPG are exaggerating.  It's not terrible by a long shot, it's just that people expected more from Bioware which is understandable.

People should not give up on Bioware though just because of one game that they're not entirely satisfied with.  

[Lennonkun]

I'm not in favor of trashing the company, but it's more of a case of "We told you not to do this and you wonder why people aren't happy after you did it?" incident.

Also it's pretty obvious Bioware needs new writers. That or temporarily hire Chris Avellone to write something for them. Maybe it'd be a decent story then.

Seriously, Gaider likes Twilight. And we expect this man to write romance? Give me a break.

[RoninOmega]

I really don't want bioware to turn out into a westwood, or RARE.

Just an fyi, microsoft didn't ruin rare, rare was already ruined when all the core people left when they were still with nintendo.

[BeardedNinja]

people will always complain about something, it being the internet just makes it worse.

[RoninOmega]

2papercuts wrote...

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

Dragon age 2 wasn't as simplified as mass effect 2, however they were rushed, which makes it seem as bad as madd effect 2.

[winterborn_89]

This game is terrible... Bioware must be held responsible for their part. ****ty game = **** in yo face.

[Turnip Root]

2papercuts wrote...

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

The reaction to Mass Effect 2 was nowhere even remotely close to being as negative as we're seeing with Dragon Age 2.  The micro-management and RPG elements in Mass Effect 2 were simplified but people were able to overlook that due to the vast improvements in the game's shooting mechanics, graphics, and gameplay.

I know some die hard RPG fans were not happy with Mass Effect 2 but Mass Effect 2 was DEFINETLY not a failure.

[Lennonkun]

I actually loved Mass Effect 2. I loved ME1 and I was really worried about what I heard going into ME2 but I was pleasantly surprised. DA2 was not the case.

[NotFrom4chan]

Dealing with this sort of thing is a lot easier when you remember that the purpose of a company is to make money. Take Gabe Newell, for example. He began Valve after already having become a Microsoft millionaire and set out purely to make the best games he could. But even Valve has to make enough money to stay afloat and pay everyone they employ. On the other end of the spectrum you have companies like Activision and EA who set out to make money.

Companies are cold emotionless husks that do not care about you. Just because it is gaming does not change the nature of a company. DA2 was designed by a committee to appeal to as many people as possible. If it makes a good profit, that committee will feel vindicated. If it doesn't, that committee will try to find a different way to make as much money as possible. Everything else you hear is PR.

[Turnip Root]

I think it's just surprising that people are saying

"This is Mass Effect 2 all over again."

Mass Effect 2 is one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Dragon Age II would be lucky to even have half as positive a reception.

[Nonoru]

Even if the game was near perfection they would moan about the black grain salt in the desert.

[2papercuts]

Turnip Root wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

The reaction to Mass Effect 2 was nowhere even remotely close to being as negative as we're seeing with Dragon Age 2.  The micro-management and RPG elements in Mass Effect 2 were simplified but people were able to overlook that due to the vast improvements in the game's shooting mechanics, graphics, and gameplay.

I know some die hard RPG fans were not happy with Mass Effect 2 but Mass Effect 2 was DEFINETLY not a failure.

no I liked ME2, where did i say it was a bad game?

[andyatebe]

I'd have given DA2 9/10 if it wasn't a sequel. Its too different from the 1st one.

I still love it though,

[Turnip Root]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Dealing with this sort of thing is a lot easier when you remember that the purpose of a company is to make money. Take Gabe Newell, for example. He began Valve after already having become a Microsoft millionaire and set out purely to make the best games he could. But even Valve has to make enough money to stay afloat and pay everyone they employ. On the other end of the spectrum you have companies like Activision and EA who set out to make money.

Companies are cold emotionless husks that do not care about you. Just because it is gaming does not change the nature of a company. DA2 was designed by a committee to appeal to as many people as possible. If it makes a good profit, that committee will feel vindicated. If it doesn't, that committee will try to find a different way to make as much money as possible. Everything else you hear is PR.

Obviously these companies are in it to make money but that doesn't mean that people don't have any passion for their work or appreciation of their fans. 
You can trash Activision and EA all you want.  I was actually growing fond of EA but this recent scandal with banning people from offline games has definetly lowered my opinion of them.  That being said however, EA does have deep pockets and they're the reason Bioware games have such high production values so it's really a bittersweet alliance.

[RohanD]

They are getting trashed for making a sub par game. They make games, which customers pay money for.

Customers have a right to voice complaints against vendors who sell them a product they are unhappy with.

If that makes you "deeply upset" then I think, you need to get out a little more?

[Dirty Whore]

Turnip Root wrote...

I think it's just surprising that people are saying

"This is Mass Effect 2 all over again."

Mass Effect 2 is one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Dragon Age II would be lucky to even have half as positive a reception.

i lol when people say DA2 is to DAO what ME2 was to ME...

SO. NOT. TRUE.

perhaps it would have been that given another year in development, but as it stands its a step down, not up.