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[Turnip Root]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't know about you OP, but Bioware is not my customer. I don't need to please them. It's the other way around.

If it seemed I was implying anything contrary then I should have phrased it differently.  As a Bioware fan myself though I believe that the long string of quality games that Bioware has delivered has more than earned them the right in my eyes to get away with releasing one game that doesn't live up to the standards of their previous titles.

If they kept on releasing lower quality games progressively, things would change but I can easily overlook one mistake.  I think other Bioware fans owe it to themselves, no Bioware to do the same.

[StuartMarshall]

There were some ill signs with the slow response to Awakenings bugginess that made it unplayable for many (was it ever fixed? Months passed and I stopped checking...). DA2 has really jaded even some of the hardcore Bioware fanbase and if there is to be a DA3 they really, -really- need to learn from the mistakes of DA2 and try to specifically win back the trust and faith of the many that seem to have become disappointed in them. A longer period of time to make it would probably help a lot but when you're under the watchful eye of money mad EA or Activision, that can be hard to get.

[XCRmonger]

Never expected opinions to be so harsh. I've been in gaming bliss since opening night. I think I actually hissed when I went out in the sun today.... Contemplated using vacation days to sit at home and game... Guess I have the wonderment of a child or somesuch.

[Turnip Root]

Dirty **** wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I think it's just surprising that people are saying

"This is Mass Effect 2 all over again."

Mass Effect 2 is one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Dragon Age II would be lucky to even have half as positive a reception.

i lol when people say DA2 is to DAO what ME2 was to ME...

SO. NOT. TRUE.

perhaps it would have been that given another year in development, but as it stands its a step down, not up.

I think the menus in Mass Effect 1 were cumbersome and it just felt pointless finding exact model replicas of the same weapon except with different stats.  Also, the currency system was completely useless, I wasn't sad to see them go.
True Mass Effect 1 probably felt more like an RPG than Mass Effect 2 but Mass Effect 2 more important felt like a better game.  It had better controls, better graphics, weapons were more satisfying to shoot, enemy AI was better, cover system was vastly improved etc.

Game quality is more important to me than a game's genre so I think Mass Effect 2 was a triumphant sequel.

[MassEffect762]

2papercuts wrote...

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

Bingo.

[NotFrom4chan]

Turnip Root wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Dealing with this sort of thing is a lot easier when you remember that the purpose of a company is to make money. Take Gabe Newell, for example. He began Valve after already having become a Microsoft millionaire and set out purely to make the best games he could. But even Valve has to make enough money to stay afloat and pay everyone they employ. On the other end of the spectrum you have companies like Activision and EA who set out to make money.

Companies are cold emotionless husks that do not care about you. Just because it is gaming does not change the nature of a company. DA2 was designed by a committee to appeal to as many people as possible. If it makes a good profit, that committee will feel vindicated. If it doesn't, that committee will try to find a different way to make as much money as possible. Everything else you hear is PR.

Obviously these companies are in it to make money but that doesn't mean that people don't have any passion for their work or appreciation of their fans. 
You can trash Activision and EA all you want.  I was actually growing fond of EA but this recent scandal with banning people from offline games has definetly lowered my opinion of them.  That being said however, EA does have deep pockets and they're the reason Bioware games have such high production values so it's really a bittersweet alliance.

I wasn't trashing anyone. I have the utmost respect for Activision. Hell, I'm probably one of the few people that actually like Kotick as a person.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised or upset if he and his company sh*t in my cornflakes to turn a profit.

[Dirty Whore]

Turnip Root wrote...

Dirty **** wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

I think it's just surprising that people are saying

"This is Mass Effect 2 all over again."

Mass Effect 2 is one of the most critically acclaimed games of all time. Dragon Age II would be lucky to even have half as positive a reception.

i lol when people say DA2 is to DAO what ME2 was to ME...

SO. NOT. TRUE.

perhaps it would have been that given another year in development, but as it stands its a step down, not up.

I think the menus in Mass Effect 1 were cumbersome and it just felt pointless finding exact model replicas of the same weapon except with different stats.  Also, the currency system was completely useless, I wasn't sad to see them go.
True Mass Effect 1 probably felt more like an RPG than Mass Effect 2 but Mass Effect 2 more important felt like a better game.  It had better controls, better graphics, weapons were more satisfying to shoot, enemy AI was better, cover system was vastly improved etc.

Game quality is more important to me than a game's genre so I think Mass Effect 2 was a triumphant sequel.

agreed.

i WISH DA2 was made with ME2's quality in mind, but like I said...more time was needed to develop it into a great game.

[RefundPlz]

Lennonkun wrote...

I'm not in favor of trashing the company, but it's more of a case of "We told you not to do this and you wonder why people aren't happy after you did it?" incident.

Also it's pretty obvious Bioware needs new writers. That or temporarily hire Chris Avellone to write something for them. Maybe it'd be a decent story then.

Seriously, Gaider likes Twilight. And we expect this man to write romance? Give me a break.

This.

[RefundPlz]

winterborn_89 wrote...

This game is terrible... Bioware must be held responsible for their part. ****ty game = **** in yo face.

This

[william.munden]

i think bioware used to be the best games company for me until this offering of DA2 i loved mass effect 1, mass effect2 and dragon age origins 1 they are among my favourite games and bioware used to be my favourite company.But this game was very dissapointing for me i thought it was going to be a solid PC RPG like i thought the first games was i dont recall this bad reation to mass effect2 but i think this game deserves the reaction its getting then maybe just maybe they will take notice and produce the sort of games that we know bioware can make.

[RefundPlz]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't know about you OP, but Bioware is not my customer. I don't need to please them. It's the other way around.

Especially this.

[CRISIS1717]

Maybe the Grey Wardens should close up the Deep Roads with all the returned copies of DA2.

[MDarwin]

Turnip Root wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Dealing with this sort of thing is a lot easier when you remember that the purpose of a company is to make money. Take Gabe Newell, for example. He began Valve after already having become a Microsoft millionaire and set out purely to make the best games he could. But even Valve has to make enough money to stay afloat and pay everyone they employ. On the other end of the spectrum you have companies like Activision and EA who set out to make money.

Companies are cold emotionless husks that do not care about you. Just because it is gaming does not change the nature of a company. DA2 was designed by a committee to appeal to as many people as possible. If it makes a good profit, that committee will feel vindicated. If it doesn't, that committee will try to find a different way to make as much money as possible. Everything else you hear is PR.

Obviously these companies are in it to make money but that doesn't mean that people don't have any passion for their work or appreciation of their fans. 
You can trash Activision and EA all you want.  I was actually growing fond of EA but this recent scandal with banning people from offline games has definetly lowered my opinion of them.  That being said however, EA does have deep pockets and they're the reason Bioware games have such high production values so it's really a bittersweet alliance.

EA has got a very bad track record of taking over smaller developers. Now the fear is that this will happen to BW as well. I hope not.

[Forsakerr]

i said this in another thread about someone saying that ME2 forums were as bad at this is now when ME2 released anyhow here it is again:

It was not that bad, at least in ME2 they compensated the removal of features with ameliorations compared to DA2, they announced better combats but never said that they were watering down the game, so basically one step forward three-four steps backwards.

To tell the truth lets imagine something switch DA2 being DA1 and make Origins the sequel , if i had played DA2 first they would have needed tons of marketing and jump through a bunch of hoops to get me to try the second one , what they did in MY opinion they had gained my loyalty on a new franchise with DA:O and on blind faith i bought DA2 and did not followed the game much, compared to DA:O which i was almost spammed with stuff in the newsletter i almost did not get anything about DA2 so i pre ordered to get the signature edition and i could not wait to get my copy.

What i got ? Something completely different and without wanting a DA:O clone i was expecting the same quality of game with a rich story, nice visuals,exploration,nice scenery,good voice acting/dialogues ala ME1&2, better combats.

Definitely not what Bioware gave us

P.S. i have bought all Bioware titles except Shattered Steel and MDK II and i bought them when they came out not when they were in the cheap as hell bin, so in a way im not new to Bioware and this title is the most deceiving one from all of them

i own both DA:O & ME2 in CE for both the PC and Xbox 360 and i still find DA:O on my 360 superior to this one

edit: maybe a month ago i ve seen an interview with the two doctors and one of them said something like : you are as good as your latest title, i think people will remember this one not from the good side though

Modifié par Forsakerr, 13 mars 2011 - 01:38 .

[zkaizer]

Actually, it's good to see them knocked to their butts. It showed that they can't just throw together something and all the fans will fall to their feet and worship them. That's what irks me about the fanboys. If Bioware shot shaving cream in a small box and charged $50 for it, they would still scream "5 STARS! BEST THING THEY EVER CREATED!!!"
I'm hoping that Bioware will listen to fans listing the problems of the game, get together with their teams, and say "We screwed up by doing A,B, and C. Let's fix these problems going forward."

[VanDraegon]

It is the interment man. Posters who feel let down by a game, didnt like it or just have an axe to grind are going to troll the forums and make flame bait posts. Since they are not playing, they are going to vent and troll on the forums. While the vast majority of players, most who never visit forums, play the game for what it is and enjoy it

Lots of folks feel Bioware sold out to EA, but the games market is very tough and certain realities must be accepted. Bioware has made the decisions it has to better serve its fans and make profitable games. The newest games may upset a lot of folks and some of those are too immature to hold their tongues.

Im not a huge fan of a lot of the changes, but it beats not having any Bioware games around.

[MDarwin]

zkaizer wrote...

Actually, it's good to see them knocked to their butts. It showed that they can't just throw together something and all the fans will fall to their feet and worship them. That's what irks me about the fanboys. If Bioware shot shaving cream in a small box and charged $50 for it, they would still scream "5 STARS! BEST THING THEY EVER CREATED!!!"
I'm hoping that Bioware will listen to fans listing the problems of the game, get together with their teams, and say "We screwed up by doing A,B, and C. Let's fix these problems going forward."

True! +1

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

I SAY ALL YOU HATERS CAN EAT IT. YOU SHOULD ALL BE ASHAMED FOR THE WAY YOU TREAT BIOWARE. i like this game just find if you dont then FINE, but NONE OF YOU have the right to simply give up on them FOR ONE GAME

[Garak2]

jds1bio wrote...

Dirty **** wrote...

Look man, I've been a BioWare fan as long as you have but I have to call it like I see it: Dragon age 2 has great potential. HOWEVER, it WAS rushed, either by EA's greed, or BioWare's overconfidence...

I am confident they will not make this mistake again with DA3...if they do, I will simply have to move on and accept that one of my favorite video game companies is no longer the company I came to love.

Thank You EA.

How long did you play DA2 before arriving at your viewpoint?  Several people on the forums who actually played the game gave it about 10 hours before giving up/in.

You don't think 10 hours is enough to make a judgement?

[Turnip Root]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...
If it seemed I was implying anything contrary then I should have phrased it differently.  As a Bioware fan myself though I believe that the long string of quality games that Bioware has delivered has more than earned them the right in my eyes to get away with releasing one game that doesn't live up to the standards of their previous titles.

If they kept on releasing lower quality games progressively, things would change but I can easily overlook one mistake.  I think other Bioware fans owe it to themselves, no Bioware to do the same.

I've got a little different perspective than yours on this.  This isn't the same old Bioware anymore.  They've changed. People don't like the current model that EA is using, and let's face it, Bioware is EA.  The DLC scheme is off putting. The marketing seems to have usurped the actual development of the game.

I see, so you're more of an old school Bioware fan since Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origins were also released while Bioware was part of EA.
Your feelings on Bioware are almost exactly the same as my feelings towards companies like Square-Enix so I can see where you're coming from.  I thought Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 2 were some of Bioware's finest so I don't really think EA has really destroyed them and I don't mind paying for DLC just so long as it's good.

No doubt some people aren't going to like it but just about all major publishing companies follow the same model EA does.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

seriosly if people bash bioware like this they may go bankrupcy and we will be stuck with CRAP LIKE SQUARE ENIX AND INFINITY WARD. IS THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE WANT.