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[tRaGiQuE_]

RoninOmega wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

Dragon age 2 wasn't as simplified as mass effect 2, however they were rushed, which makes it seem as bad as madd effect 2.

I believe ME2 was dumbed down but I played it all the way through. I played about 20 hours of DA2 and wanted to gag. I had thought we had finally a new great RPG and back story which was very detailed to sink our teeth into when I played DAO. It was refreshing and I wanted to see and hear more of this new world. But nope all I recieved was a hack and slash P.O.S.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

good god the fact the these peole will trun on bioware for ONE GAME just shows how unloyal these people are. heres my mimic of a bioware hater

"OOOOO I LOVE THERE OLD GAMES BUT...THEIR NEW GAME SUCKS, SO I HATE THEM NOW, OOOO".

really TICKS ME OFF to see the company that has inspired me for years getting unfairly bashed like this

[zkaizer]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

good god the fact the these peole will trun on bioware for ONE GAME just shows how unloyal these people are. heres my mimic of a bioware hater

"OOOOO I LOVE THERE OLD GAMES BUT...THEIR NEW GAME SUCKS, SO I HATE THEM NOW, OOOO".

really TICKS ME OFF to see the company that has inspired me for years getting unfairly bashed like this

How's that shaving cream?

[Garak2]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

good god the fact the these peole will trun on bioware for ONE GAME just shows how unloyal these people are. heres my mimic of a bioware hater

"OOOOO I LOVE THERE OLD GAMES BUT...THEIR NEW GAME SUCKS, SO I HATE THEM NOW, OOOO".

really TICKS ME OFF to see the company that has inspired me for years getting unfairly bashed like this

DA2 is Bioware turning on it's fans. How's that?

Let not play loyalty games here, k?

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

bioware STILL CARES. its just that all these nitpicking trolls give them crap all the time. serosly bioware has given me the greatest games ever, and along with dlc that I BELIVE is worth it for the most part. why does everyone bash their dlc, their only 500 to 800 microsoft points its not that much. and frankley i though the pre order signiture editon for 20 dollars worth of dlc for free trick was very generous

[darklordpocky-san]

jds1bio wrote...

Dirty **** wrote...

Look man, I've been a BioWare fan as long as you have but I have to call it like I see it: Dragon age 2 has great potential. HOWEVER, it WAS rushed, either by EA's greed, or BioWare's overconfidence...

I am confident they will not make this mistake again with DA3...if they do, I will simply have to move on and accept that one of my favorite video game companies is no longer the company I came to love.

Thank You EA.

How long did you play DA2 before arriving at your viewpoint?  Several people on the forums who actually played the game gave it about 10 hours before giving up/in.

oh jesus, not this argument again.

it's like when people bothered to play through FFXIII and bite the bullet. And even though we played it, people still kept saying; "well, you just need to get past the 20hr mark, then it gets good!".

NO

just ****ing, NO

I'm playing it, it sucks. Stop pretending you're the only one who gave it a chance.

[VanDraegon]

cosgamer wrote...
So you're saying you would rather spend $60 on subpar than not have any game to play?  That's a problem.  There are tons of other options out there, especially past terrific efforts by Bioware.

I like Bioware games for the story they tell and the setting. I am not too overly concerned with the game play mechanics. The game isnt subpar, it is just different. Did i prefer DA:O? Yep. Do i like DA2, sure do. I'm not real fond of some of the changes but i believe Bioware when they say they are trying to improve things. I also think they get pressure from EA but there is no conspiracy like some around this forum want to believe.

Something we need to remember, in todays market there isnt much room for error when producing a big title like this. Dev costs are to unbelievably huge now. It isnt like it was back in BG days. Further, RPGs are such a small portion of the market. It makes very little sense for a dev to make a hugely complex rpg title at todays costs and then expect it to turn a profit when they just guaranteed to limit their game to a small percentage of the gaming public.

I know when i buy a Bioware rpg, i get a story that appeals to me. We gamers need to realize that Bioware has to adapt to the times or get left behind.

I hope Bioware will produce another more complex rpg at some point in the future. To get to that point i will continue to support them since they are the devs who make the best rpgs on the market because i still get a good game in the process. If they decide to make DA4: Black OPS, well then i will take me money else where.

[Lennonkun]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

bioware STILL CARES. its just that all these nitpicking trolls give them crap all the time. serosly bioware has given me the greatest games ever, and along with dlc that I BELIVE is worth it for the most part. why does everyone bash their dlc, their only 500 to 800 microsoft points its not that much. and frankley i though the pre order signiture editon for 20 dollars worth of dlc for free trick was very generous

Actually no, they really don't care. As said DA2 was a massive case of "we told you this wouldn't work". What did Bioware do? They claimed this would just be a depression cycle and everyone would come to accept it. That all of our fears and anger was stupid towards the change. Guess what? It wasn't and clearly Bioware is wrong. We told them what to do, and they CALLED US CHILDREN! They completely ignored us and our worries.

For reference, you want to know a company that does care? The devs of Dark Souls, the Demon's Souls "sequel". The designer has a sony photo thingy pointed towards the rest of the devs. You know what pictures it shows?  Comments and suggestions from the fans. Every 30 seconds it shows a different comment. They are actually taking real concern over those comments and suggestions, not coming up with some halfassed "change" that would anger their fanbase and then insult their intelligence.

[Beerfish]

I wouldn't worry all that much. You see a lot of logical even responses in the 1st impressions no spoilers thread. There has been a thrashing the last few days and I'm sure some of these dudes are people that have hated BioWare since day one and no matter what they did would go nuts.

[Kane-Corr]

Well, I think it's fair to say that a very vocal minority of the forum is against DA2. No offense guys, but it was the same way with Mass Effect 2...though the vocal minority there took about a year to surface.
Anyways...even if you were to "prove a point" all of this whining doesn't help...why don't you all construct civil threads that discuss WHAT YOU WANT for DA3, etc. This is how things worked for Mass 2 and Bioware responded really well to all the fan feedback...so in theory, they should respond well here.

[DragonRageGT]

VanDraegon wrote...

I like Bioware games for the story they tell and the setting. I am not too overly concerned with the game play mechanics. The game isnt subpar, it is just different. Did i prefer DA:O? Yep. Do i like DA2, sure do. I'm not real fond of some of the changes but i believe Bioware when they say they are trying to improve things. I also think they get pressure from EA but there is no conspiracy like some around this forum want to believe.

I totally agree with OP and my buddy Van Draegon here.

And I am a big critic of some of the changes made. But yes, I too like DA 2. I'm still a fan of Bioware even if DA 2 seems a little rushed, generic and unpolished/uninspired in some aspects. But that I put on EA account!

I still have hope that Bioware will still make another great RPG as they should be done. With no concern whatsoever about "the way of the audience". Screw the audience. Make a great, refined, detailed, inspired game and the audience will follow! And there will be enough captive fans to make it worthy. Now, if they let greed direct their actions, sorry but WoW is already done and BW is no Blizzard.

[DaringMoosejaw]

It's pretty hilarious to see all these guys on the forums state that DA2 is 'terrible' and an unmitigated failure as if the conclusion were published in a scientific journal. I can only guess they are true gaming connoisseurs and spend their evenings dining on caviar whilst playing obscure, artistic games from foreign countries.

[DragonRageGT]

EA servers did this! heh

Modifié par RageGT, 13 mars 2011 - 01:41 .

[devil_foetus]

Everyone miss-hits once in a while.

[AJRimmsey]

you reap what you sow.

[Ronmar the Only]

I'm too busy readying to go out and drink with some friends to read through all the replies.

But.

I remember all the bad talk of Bethesda when Oblivion came out with people bemoaning how several skills had been cut out and combat had been changed (to something that was actually pretty sweet, but anyways) and yadda, yadda, yadda.

Is Dragon Age as big as ME2 was when it came out? It seems like plenty of people ****ed about that game being such a downgrade as well, but I would say that the overall experience of ME2 will end up being better than DA2. Having said that, I'm still going to play DA2 a few times taking different save files from Origins into it. Why? Because Bioware has a proven track record and I'll look forward to the next game, especially if I can take my comings saves into it.



Full disclosure: I started with Bioware games back with Kotor. I've purchased every big release since then and enjoyed all of them (Jade Empire being the least enjoyed, but that could just be a result of me only playing it once. I wish I still had my limited edition Xbox copy).

I have played 15 hours of DA2 and have yet to go to the Deep Roads. I'm loving the various significant side quests (I don't really care for those "You've found an item" things). In addition, I like the characters though I don't understand why my Hawke cannot mesh with Anders. Oh well.

[Legbiter]

DA 2 is not better than DA:O

It is vastly better than DA:O.

[Naitaka]

Bioware is EA, Bioware is just a brand name, it's for all intent and purposes a part of EA.

[Daddy555]

its really not that bad if you look at the reviews from gametrailers,ign ect there doing well

[Gatt9]

You need to understand something, people are complaining because they like Bioware, not because they hate them.

It's also because the Industry is fast hitting a point of no return. They're hitting gamer fatigue with the mass market due to most every title being a mirror image of the last one. Either it's Doom, Warcraft 2, Uncharted, Gears of War, or the occasional GTA.

They're also alienating hardcore fans who tend to be more diversified, by taking existing properties and transforming them into one of those titles.

2010 saw Mega-releases with Starcraft 2, Grand Turismo 5, FF 13, and WoW xpack. Major releases with ME2, Fable 3, Bioshock 2, and Red Dead Redemption...and it still finished with lower revenues than 2009. Despite having the four biggest names possible in gaming release in the year, and guarnateed millions of sales with others, it still finished with a drop.

Gamers are getting tired of it. Rushed games, genre-shifts to "Mass market!", the same few games over and over. They're lashing out at it, and they're keeping their money in their wallets. It's a message that developers are ignoring.

[thegoldfinch]

Lennonkun wrote...
Also it's pretty obvious Bioware needs new writers. That or temporarily hire Chris Avellone to write something for them. Maybe it'd be a decent story then.

Seriously, Gaider likes Twilight. And we expect this man to write romance? Give me a break.

I would disagree. I think the Fenris rivalmance is absolutely wonderful. I swooned. Swooned. And, yes, for the record, I loathe Twilight and True Blood and vampires in general. To each their own?

On topic, I don't mind if people don't like the game. It's the hate talk and end-of-the-world dramatic speeches and grammatically incorrect rants and name calling that I don't like. But I'm not silly enough to expect diplomacy from everyone. This is the internet, after all.

[Garran]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

. why does everyone bash their dlc, their only 500 to 800 microsoft points its not that much. and frankley i though the pre order signiture editon for 20 dollars worth of dlc for free trick was very generous

Well thank EA for that then. That decision was down to them.