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[Procyon27]

I'm confused...what exactly is wrong with DA2?

[Acidic SaviorX]

I picked up my copy of Dragon Age 2 at my Local GameStop for the Midnight release and have yet to play the game due to a hectic work schedule this week. With that said, I have been reading the mass reviews out there, and what others are saying on the Xbox 360 forums. The reviews are solid and the worst one I've seen so far is an 8.5/10 (That is still a GREAT Review), but it seems that the game has left many people disappointed, and many completely satisfied; a mixed bag of impressions so to speak. Look NO game is perfect, but even if there was such a game, I think that many people would still overlook the good things about it, and only focus on it's flaws. Personally I feel that's what is happening here with DA2. Some People will just never be happy!

I found the demo to be fun and the combat more involved that Origins, and played the demo with every class; I left the demo even more excited for DA2 than before. I will check back after I have put some considerable time into the game this weekend. For me though, I feel that I will really enjoy the game. Will there some cons to go with the pros, sure there will, but I don't think they will outweigh the pros all together as many of the people on here are claiming. That's just my humble opinion however.

[rebeltube]

It feels like supporting a football club your whole life who suffered a big defeat... that's what I'm feeling right now.

I hope to God Bioware can prove all these doubters wrong when they release another game... I really do!

Prove them wrong Bioware... prove them wrong!

[checkeredhat09]

All of my feelings about the depth, mechanics, and storyline aside.....this game just has TOO MANY BUGS. Is the game perfect in it's design? Probably not. But is it a heck of a lot better than many other games out there? I think so.

The nail in the coffin for me is the fact that this bug riddled excuse for a "final product" made it to store shelves. It's not even just little annoying bugs. It's "the game wont save", and "half the quests are broken". These - to me - seem like fairly substantial flaws. It's just too bad that the people that are hurt by it are those who are Bioware's biggest supporters. I don't usually buy PC games new, but I sucked it up for this one...and was very disappointed.

I have tons of respect for you Bioware, but this offering just didn't quite cut the mustard. Hopefully you'll learn, release some patches, and make it up to me on ME3

[Whitering]

I can't think of a single gaming studio that has catered to my desire in every release. I think the messages regarding DA2 were very clear from the pre-release marketing. It is the first Bioware RPG I did not pre-order (if that was available) and have not yet purchased. Frankly, I am not sure I ever will.

However, I do not feel any vitriol, because the marketing made it very clear this was a departure from DAO. It is certainly a more divisive game than its predecessor. I guess they want to start a series like Bethesda has with Tamriel. Maybe the next game will be based in Orlais. There have been stinkers from Bethesda as well. Well, I mean, I don't like vanilla Oblivion at all, but with mods it became a pretty good game.

Hopefully a tool set comes out for DA2. Surely Bioware should realize how bug infested DAO and DAA still are without community patches. Think of the tool set as a free contracting of patching and updating. Without mods I would have stopped playing Awakening as soon as all of my equipment disappeared in the Silverite Mines.

A tool set could "correct" a lot of people's concerns with DA2. Heck, even I might buy it.

[sauron the wolf]

Lennonkun wrote...

I actually loved Mass Effect 2. I loved ME1 and I was really worried about what I heard going into ME2 but I was pleasantly surprised. DA2 was not the case.

Been playing Bioware stuff and the like since Baldur's Gate, and though it was a bit of a jab at first with the inventory and other minor simplifications i loved Mass Effect 2 as well.  I thought it had many improvements over ME1 in look, feel and focus.  I'm only 7.5 hours into Dragon Age 2.  I already see the lack of depth/options and little old-school style delights that were present in the 130 hours i sunk into origins/awakienings, i want to play more however and see what happens.  It be nice for a patch too, to fix the couple bugs.

[Kelston]

jds1bio wrote...

Dirty **** wrote...

Look man, I've been a BioWare fan as long as you have but I have to call it like I see it: Dragon age 2 has great potential. HOWEVER, it WAS rushed, either by EA's greed, or BioWare's overconfidence...

I am confident they will not make this mistake again with DA3...if they do, I will simply have to move on and accept that one of my favorite video game companies is no longer the company I came to love.

Thank You EA.

How long did you play DA2 before arriving at your viewpoint?  Several people on the forums who actually played the game gave it about 10 hours before giving up/in.

Are you telling me that the recycled dungeon map the 5th time suddenly is mind blowingly good as compared to the disappointingly bad recycled dungeon map you ran the 2nd time through?

[AtreiyaN7]

Lennonkun wrote...

I actually loved Mass Effect 2. I loved ME1 and I was really worried about what I heard going into ME2 but I was pleasantly surprised. DA2 was not the case.

Oh, you loved ME2, eh? Then I suppose you were on the forums way back after it launched and saw all the complaints about ME2's storyline or lack thereof. While I thought ME2's story was interesting, I've seen the ME2 writers get hammered again and again about the storyline and the focus being on the companions' storylines.

In any case, I fail to see how someone liking the Twilight series (per your earlier kvetching about Gaider) is somehow representative of a person's overall taste in literature or their writing skills. I have a Cormac McCarthy novel alongside a few Stephen King books, mixed with J.R.R. Tolkien, Harlan Ellison, Kurt Vonnegut, Ben Bova and assorted other authors on my iPad atm. I think, but I could be wrong, that people are actually allowed to like popular novels in addition to other literary works. If you think you know how to write a good romance, maybe you should apply for a position as a writer.

[Paladin1650]

I'm with you Turnip. I have no idea what people are complaining about in DA2. I'm only 10 hours in or so, but so far on hard the combat is quite challenging and tactical. DA1 had way too many overpowered abilities and that really took a lot of the tactical challenge away for me. DA2 is much more balanced.

Let's not forget all the faults of DA1 and Bioware's other games. Compared to DA2, the animation in DA1 is pretty clunky. How can you complain about a lack of tactical depth in DA2 when you can't even control your party members in ME2!?? All of their games have stood on their positive qualities, but none of them are perfect. DA2 sacrificed a lot in order to bring us action-game quality combat animation, cutscenes, and other more console-style improvements. You may not agree that the sacrifice was worth it, but really it was only a matter of time before it happened. ME2 brought shooter-quality combat to RPGs, and DA2 is a similar step forward for fantasy RPGs. It will take time for Bioware to figure out how to deliver that level of polish and user interface without sacrificing all our favorite RPG elements. I think too many fantasy RPG fans are focusing on what is missing rather than what is added, and their memories of past games are a bit rose colored as well.

[TheSpaceHamster]

I trust internet forums as much as I trust a 19 year old male college student in a brothel that accepts credit cards.

[Godeshus]

Turnip Root wrote...

I have been a fan of Bioware since even before the days of Baldur's Gate.  I was a mech-sim fan in the late 90's and Shattered Steel along with Starsiege were two of my favorites during the day.  This is the company that has provided me and many others with some of the most memorable moments in gaming and I think they deserve better than the inecessant insults, trash-talking, bragging about piracy, and downright venemous rhetoric that has plagued these forums and others.
Not to say that their work is not subject to any criticism but I think it's important to realize that nobody is perfect.  I loved Dragon Age II but I can understand why some of the changes may have upset some PC gamers and certainly they are justified in expressing their opinion.  That being said, I think there are ways to state constructive criticism without the extreme hyperbole.
Even if you believe Dragon Age II is inferior to it's predecessor that does not automatically mean that Bioware is now terrible.  Zelda II and Mario 2 are considered by most to be inferior to the original games but they're still nonetheless considered solid games that are worthy additions to their respective franchises.  I imagine Dragon Age II will be remembered the same way.

Also, I think it's important for people to remember that some of the questionable things which have happened such as the banning of a player from his game because of forum activity is not the fault of Bioware.  Bioware is a development company which is a subsidary of EA and it's EA which sets the policies for user agreements and such.  I definetly don't condone EA's behaviour here but I applaud the forum for speaking out against this injustice and I feel that EA has gotten the appropriate message.

This post is getting a bit preachy so let me just conclude by reminding people that this company you're utterly trashing is the same company that brought us Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dragon Age:Origins, Baldur's Gate I&II, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, MDK II, all of which are considered some of the best games ever made, they deserve respect even when it comes to criticism.

It's just how people express themselves. The majority of haters here are just reacting with emotional responses. You can clearly see it in the way their posts are written. Like it's the holocaust or something that they didn't get what they were expecting. Or it's a breach of their human rights that your companions can't wear armor. It's just purely ridiculous and you have to take it with a grain of salt.  But time will move on and they'll buy the next release and rage all over again. meanwhile Bioware will patiently let this over flow and pay attention to the posts that involve constructive criticism and feedback.

It really is not a big deal, and I seriously doubt the devs pay attention to rage posts.

[jack_f]

Maybe it will help you sleep better when you realize the company in charge is now EA, not Bioware, so all the trashing is in truth directed at them.

[Tarquin Melfea]

Modifié par Tarquin Melfea, 14 mars 2011 - 09:36 .

[Tarquin Melfea]

This post is getting a bit preachy so let me just conclude by
reminding people that this company you're utterly trashing is the same
company that brought us Mass Effect 1 and 2, Dragon Age:Origins,
Baldur's Gate I&II, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic, MDK II,
all of which are considered some of the best games ever made, they
deserve respect even when it comes to criticism.

But this is the whole point, this is why people are so upset. We've come to
expect quality from Bioware. Also, logic would suggest that the sequel
tol a game will be an improvement. Or even an attempt at being an
improvement. This is clearly not the case here. DA2 is a horribly dumbed down, sub-quality sequel.

Call me crazy but I got excited about DA2 because I thought I'd be getting
more of what from DAO with maybe even some improvements. I didn't get
what I was expecting so I'm disappointed. Is that such an unreasonable
reaction?

[ionmane]

k i am going over what alot of other ppl have said but i feel i need to vent this.

DAO was awesome everything done right no complaints there and a very good job all round. In fact i have finished that game atleast 5 times from start to finish.

I start the DAII and i have to be honest here this game feels ... terrible.

no basic armour/graphics changes for party members, reused maps, very little in the way of specialization. The game feels bland and boring.

bioware has never ever let me down until now.

However they have made such great games in the past i suppose i find it difficult to believe such a great company could make this many starter mistakes.

dunno i really expected more from this game

[aksoileau]

No worries OP. Im with ya.

[Shadowcrazy4]

my 2 cents...people defending bioware...EA didn't FORCE them to make this change...they had say in their decision to sellout...they sold out...DA2 is born...it's a joke that can't even be called a game (seriously if i see one more copy/past dungeon...)....so the backlash is expected...defend Bioware you want...but don't remind us of their awesome streak...because we're well aware and it infuriates us more to know that they sold out like this...just sayin.

[orbit991]

I'm not to sure there is that much Bioware left, they can have the name but the pattern with EA acquisitions has repeated itself several times already and the studios are either gone or totally changed their directions.

[azrogue]

I've always been an incredible fan of Bioware, but they have, of late, not made an effort to show that they care as much for their fans. When a game as poorly made as DA2 comes out, they deserve, out of respect, to be told just how bad it is so that they can fully understand to level of their failure, so that they hopefully can recover and return to making great games. I hardly think this is the end of Bioware; that would just be sad. However, the choice is really theirs. They wouldn't be the first company to choose mediocrity over greatness.

[Shadowcrazy4]

Lennonkun wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

bioware STILL CARES. its just that all these nitpicking trolls give them crap all the time. serosly bioware has given me the greatest games ever, and along with dlc that I BELIVE is worth it for the most part. why does everyone bash their dlc, their only 500 to 800 microsoft points its not that much. and frankley i though the pre order signiture editon for 20 dollars worth of dlc for free trick was very generous

Actually no, they really don't care. As said DA2 was a massive case of "we told you this wouldn't work". What did Bioware do? They claimed this would just be a depression cycle and everyone would come to accept it. That all of our fears and anger was stupid towards the change. Guess what? It wasn't and clearly Bioware is wrong. We told them what to do, and they CALLED US CHILDREN! They completely ignored us and our worries.

For reference, you want to know a company that does care? The devs of Dark Souls, the Demon's Souls "sequel". The designer has a sony photo thingy pointed towards the rest of the devs. You know what pictures it shows?  Comments and suggestions from the fans. Every 30 seconds it shows a different comment. They are actually taking real concern over those comments and suggestions, not coming up with some halfassed "change" that would anger their fanbase and then insult their intelligence.

you sir....have stolen the words from my own mouth...I'm shocked to see someone with the EXACT opinion that I do even to the Dark Souls point....and to add to that the fact that they called it Dark Souls was because SONY wanted certain things for Demon's Souls 2 since they bought it...and Dark Souls is the result of them basically telling SONY in a nice way to eat it because they aren't going to sell out like that. 

[orbit991]

I'm just not to sure how much Bioware there is left, they can have the name but the pattern with EA acquisitions has repeated itself several times already and the studios are either gone or totally changed their directions.

[Travie]

I've said this before, but I really feel duped for getting roped into advertising this game. Not only because it didn't deserve the hype, but also because now that it will sell pretty well due to that advertising it will just lead to more games like this.

The rehashed environments just speak of laziness, and the DLC feels more like content that should have been included with the game in the first place, not cool additions that add some more flavor.

[Unseen_77]

Turnip Root wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I don't know about you OP, but Bioware is not my customer. I don't need to please them. It's the other way around.

If it seemed I was implying anything contrary then I should have phrased it differently.  As a Bioware fan myself though I believe that the long string of quality games that Bioware has delivered has more than earned them the right in my eyes to get away with releasing one game that doesn't live up to the standards of their previous titles.

If they kept on releasing lower quality games progressively, things would change but I can easily overlook one mistake.  I think other Bioware fans owe it to themselves, no Bioware to do the same.

Yes,and  this is why we as customers do voice our concerns positive or negative. So that they think twice about making another lackluster game. If you stay quiet and only praise everything they will not learn anything from it and what you might like.

[Chuvvy]

Dirty **** wrote...

Look man, I've been a BioWare fan as long as you have but I have to call it like I see it: Dragon age 2 has great potential. HOWEVER, it WAS rushed, either by EA's greed, or BioWare's overconfidence...

I am confident they will not make this mistake again with DA3...if they do, I will simply have to move on and accept that one of my favorite video game companies is no longer the company I came to love.

Thank You EA.

They're rushing ME3 too.

inb4 the entire game takes place in London and reused assets.

[TheKnave69]

I think that passions run high on both sides because the company is Bioware.  I think the game is getting trashed because it has Bioware in the credits.  I think that Bioware is getting trashed because DA2 is an average to mediocre game. 

Rehash of maps, blocking some sections off, moving some loot around and calling it new; looking at the mini-map (which is anathama to my suspension of disbelief in a serious fanatasy based CRPG) I can see portions of the map which are inaccessible to me at this time, but will be available when I next visit.  Generally poor level design: most of the levels are just corridors that pipe you through from point A to point B with some combat at pre-defined points.  Combat triggers that strain my credibility.  I reach point A and suddenly monsters warp in from the monster waiting room.  More monsters that warp in after I beat the first set.  Lack of complex conversations.  I can be snarky, snide or simpering.  Gone are the 7-8 conversational options which give the illusion of depth and choice.  Poor art design.  Comparing the art design of the first game, with the batterd scroll motif with the grey text over black boxes, I see a lack of character and disticntive personality.  It feels streamllined to the point of abstraction.  This art design could be applied to any game and feels overly generic.  I've heard people talk about the depth of story, and how the design choices and changes in the game mechanics don't bother them.  If I can see the technical issues with the game it pulls me out of the story.  It's like seeing a monster movie and noticing that it's just a stunt man in a rubber suit.  As the wizard of Oz said, "Don't look at the man behind the curtain."

After the lenghty digression, I can say why I am not pleased with Bioware.  I believe that they have used the cache that they've built over years by putting out complex and extremely popular CRPG games to put out, what I feel is an inferior product, in both design and execution, and expecting to make a huge return.  By naming the game DA2, they are implying that it will be a similar experience to the last, which, on the PC, it most definately is not.

After this novella of a post, I'll end with an analogy:  I go to a restaurant and eat steaks every time, whether it be NY strip, rib eye, or in some cases filet mignon.  If I then go in and order a steak, expecting something similar, and receive a hamburger, I am going to complain to the manager, instead of just quietly eating it and being happy about it.  Wouldn't anyone?