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[Nine-Nein]

I just hope they fix the bugs and gliches and bugs.... still waiting for those bugs introduced by the 1.3 orgins patch to be fixed. 

I also agree, the current DLC scheme really sucks.  The thing is announced weeks before the game launches, and we still get a bug riddled game.  Maybe instead of creating the dlc, test the game instead? That way when the game releases you can also release a patch in conjunction.  I am pretty much waiting for the game of the year bundle for all my dlc stuff.. that is if I still care enough about DA2 to play it at that moment.

[SarahRhadis]

Lennonkun wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

bioware STILL CARES. its just that all these nitpicking trolls give them crap all the time. serosly bioware has given me the greatest games ever, and along with dlc that I BELIVE is worth it for the most part. why does everyone bash their dlc, their only 500 to 800 microsoft points its not that much. and frankley i though the pre order signiture editon for 20 dollars worth of dlc for free trick was very generous

Actually no, they really don't care. As said DA2 was a massive case of "we told you this wouldn't work". What did Bioware do? They claimed this would just be a depression cycle and everyone would come to accept it. That all of our fears and anger was stupid towards the change. Guess what? It wasn't and clearly Bioware is wrong. We told them what to do, and they CALLED US CHILDREN! They completely ignored us and our worries.

For reference, you want to know a company that does care? The devs of Dark Souls, the Demon's Souls "sequel". The designer has a sony photo thingy pointed towards the rest of the devs. You know what pictures it shows?  Comments and suggestions from the fans. Every 30 seconds it shows a different comment. They are actually taking real concern over those comments and suggestions, not coming up with some halfassed "change" that would anger their fanbase and then insult their intelligence.

If bioware really called people bashing every possible feature of this game Children. That would be becuase alot of the people complaining over any little thing they could possibly think of, were in fact acting like Children.

You don't like the game, thats an interesting opinion, just don't act like you speak for anyone but your selves.  I for one enjoy Dragon Age 2 is it the greatest game Ive ever played? No. Is it better than DAO for me? Yes. Honestly Bioware made a grave mistake trying to revive the classic CRPG Genre, which is likely why so many people are complaining.

I would also point out the only reason DAO was as much of a throw back as it was, is because the game was in development for nearly 6 years. The game got bashed quite a bit for consoles due to graphics, lack luster combat, and so on. Of course bioware was going to move into a different direction. The PC market is for the most part a niche market.

Not even Obsidian, a company I see referenced on these forums quite a bit in a positive light by people who HATE DA2, not even they have a PC first mindset. Look at the first New Vegas DLC it was exclusive to the 360 for several months before it ever came to PC.

For the  "Ive never seen an outcry this large before"  I have, from the old school fans of Fallout. Nothing Bethesda did with Fallout 3 was good, or right. Nonstop complaining about the First Person View, the loss of isometric, calling it Oblivion with guns.

Things change, let go of nostalgia stop living in the past.. and move on.

[Darji]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

seriosly if people bash bioware like this they may go bankrupcy and we will be stuck with CRAP LIKE SQUARE ENIX AND INFINITY WARD. IS THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE WANT.

That may be shock you but Bioware went already to the COD crowd and honestly Biowares quality for real RPGs went downhill since KOTOR.

Since Kotor their games become, short, shallow and less and less RPG. Origins however was a step back into the right direction but now they shifted away again. Bioware really needs a wake up call and hopefully this will be the case with Dragon Age 2.

Maybe they will ME3 now too to make it a bit more RPG like.

[True Zarken]

I sometimes forget there are some sensible people on these forums among the hoards of annoying, complaining idiots. If you don't like the game fair enough, just go complain somewhere else as fair away from me as you possible can be. 

I personally think Bioware did a fantastic job on Dragon Age 2 the characters I found to be a lot more interesting, the story was great, there was none of this "Oh no the world is about to end and you're the only one to stop it" I'm getting sick of that and it's good that Bioware took a step away from that and the conversations were a lot more engaging and felt more real than that of Origins and I just want Bioware to keep up this work!

I have no real complaints over the game except possibly one... It's ruining my study plan for University  I want to keep playing it!

Modifié par True Zarken, 13 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[DJBare]

True Zarken wrote...

I sometimes forget there are some sensible people on these forums among the hoards of annoying, complaining idiots. If you don't like the game fair enough, just go complain somewhere else as fair away from me as you possible can be.

So you believe they should only recieve praise?
There are times when you can encourage people to do better with praise, but that tends to be on an individual and personal level, EA/Bioware is a business, their goal is to make a profit, that means they will attempt to get more for less, if people feel the product is subpar then it's upto them to let the company know, I voted with my wallet, if they wish me to purchase their products in future then I want to see better pre-views and reviews.

[colata]

Unlike some trolls who don't know what they are really saying,
It's pretty depressing to see them exploit their former glory.

They shouldn't have made so great a title in the first place.
ME1, DA:O

(ME2 is not, DA2 is not.)

Actually bioware themselves know it better than any of us.
depressing.

[kreite]

If only there were more like you

[william.munden]

Arontala22 wrote...

 People have the right to criticize the game. I'm fine with that. They do not, however, have the right to come on a privately owned website, and insult the intelligence of members of bioware and EA, and act like children, simply because they didn't get what they wanted. It's disgusting. 

 

oh ok thank you sir so we are allowed to criticize this game as long as we dont upset anyone im glad that you let us all know that thank you.its nothing to do with you what people say .

[Gatt9]

SarahRhadis wrote...

Lennonkun wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

bioware STILL CARES. its just that all these nitpicking trolls give them crap all the time. serosly bioware has given me the greatest games ever, and along with dlc that I BELIVE is worth it for the most part. why does everyone bash their dlc, their only 500 to 800 microsoft points its not that much. and frankley i though the pre order signiture editon for 20 dollars worth of dlc for free trick was very generous

Actually no, they really don't care. As said DA2 was a massive case of "we told you this wouldn't work". What did Bioware do? They claimed this would just be a depression cycle and everyone would come to accept it. That all of our fears and anger was stupid towards the change. Guess what? It wasn't and clearly Bioware is wrong. We told them what to do, and they CALLED US CHILDREN! They completely ignored us and our worries.

For reference, you want to know a company that does care? The devs of Dark Souls, the Demon's Souls "sequel". The designer has a sony photo thingy pointed towards the rest of the devs. You know what pictures it shows?  Comments and suggestions from the fans. Every 30 seconds it shows a different comment. They are actually taking real concern over those comments and suggestions, not coming up with some halfassed "change" that would anger their fanbase and then insult their intelligence.

If bioware really called people bashing every possible feature of this game Children. That would be becuase alot of the people complaining over any little thing they could possibly think of, were in fact acting like Children.

You don't like the game, thats an interesting opinion, just don't act like you speak for anyone but your selves.  I for one enjoy Dragon Age 2 is it the greatest game Ive ever played? No. Is it better than DAO for me? Yes. Honestly Bioware made a grave mistake trying to revive the classic CRPG Genre, which is likely why so many people are complaining.

I would also point out the only reason DAO was as much of a throw back as it was, is because the game was in development for nearly 6 years. The game got bashed quite a bit for consoles due to graphics, lack luster combat, and so on. Of course bioware was going to move into a different direction. The PC market is for the most part a niche market.

Not even Obsidian, a company I see referenced on these forums quite a bit in a positive light by people who HATE DA2, not even they have a PC first mindset. Look at the first New Vegas DLC it was exclusive to the 360 for several months before it ever came to PC.

For the  "Ive never seen an outcry this large before"  I have, from the old school fans of Fallout. Nothing Bethesda did with Fallout 3 was good, or right. Nonstop complaining about the First Person View, the loss of isometric, calling it Oblivion with guns.

Things change, let go of nostalgia stop living in the past.. and move on.

Ironically,  this is the exact same post the Bethseda defenders responded to Fallout fans with,  which ultimately lead to Fallout selling less than half of it's initial shipment before it dropped off the sales charts.

Oddly enough,  all of the same responses still apply.

The funniest part is,  DAO sold 3.2 million units,  ME sold 2 million,  and ME2 sold between 1.6 and 2.5 depending on your source.

So DAO actually outsold all of them with it's "classic gameplay",  it outsold Fallout 3 too.  So I guess that means that all of those "old people" were actually right weren't they?

Eventually,  you are going to have to deal with the fact that everything you think is true is wrong.

[StingingVelvet]

The simple fact is that the game is somewhat disappointing and the internet is the home of exaggeration and drama. Bioware knows that, and while I am sure they are taking some of the disappointment to heart they know the bashing and insults are just internet people being internet people.

[The Observer]

Think i'm the only person who actually likes dragon age 2 and i'm a huge fan of the first, although it does seem far too easy its still enjoyable so far.

Hope SW:ToR is mind blowing though i'v been waiting for it for too long to be let down.

[Zulu_DFA]

Darji wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

seriosly if people bash bioware like this they may go bankrupcy and we will be stuck with CRAP LIKE SQUARE ENIX AND INFINITY WARD. IS THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE WANT.

That may be shock you but Bioware went already to the COD crowd and honestly Biowares quality for real RPGs went downhill since KOTOR.

That's right. Only since my CoD needs are pretty well satisfied by Infinity Ward, I can't see a reason to keep BioWare around... Maybe they should try and implement a dialogue wheel into their bosses' Battlefield series... We'll see how it goes, it'll be definitely fun.

[nightlordv]

Darji wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

seriosly if people bash bioware like this they may go bankrupcy and we will be stuck with CRAP LIKE SQUARE ENIX AND INFINITY WARD. IS THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE WANT.

That may be shock you but Bioware went already to the COD crowd and honestly Biowares quality for real RPGs went downhill since KOTOR.

Since Kotor their games become, short, shallow and less and less RPG. Origins however was a step back into the right direction but now they shifted away again. Bioware really needs a wake up call and hopefully this will be the case with Dragon Age 2.

Maybe they will ME3 now too to make it a bit more RPG like.

KOTOR, Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, these are all ancient games.  Were they great back in the 90's and early 2000? Ya they were, some of the best PC games ever. But I think people really need to stop compairing these games to modern ones. The entire market has changed, and so too, have the games themselves and anyone stuck in a time machine will never be able to enjoy any new games at all if that is their mindset.
Enjoy the games for what they are, not what they should be.

[Darji]

nightlordv wrote...

Darji wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

seriosly if people bash bioware like this they may go bankrupcy and we will be stuck with CRAP LIKE SQUARE ENIX AND INFINITY WARD. IS THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE WANT.

That may be shock you but Bioware went already to the COD crowd and honestly Biowares quality for real RPGs went downhill since KOTOR.

Since Kotor their games become, short, shallow and less and less RPG. Origins however was a step back into the right direction but now they shifted away again. Bioware really needs a wake up call and hopefully this will be the case with Dragon Age 2.

Maybe they will ME3 now too to make it a bit more RPG like.

KOTOR, Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, these are all ancient games.  Were they great back in the 90's and early 2000? Ya they were, some of the best PC games ever. But I think people really need to stop compairing these games to modern ones. The entire market has changed, and so too, have the games themselves and anyone stuck in a time machine will never be able to enjoy any new games at all if that is their mindset.
Enjoy the games for what they are, not what they should be.

-honestly why should i enjoy  games that i dont like? Why cant i talk about the good old days? I really dont care about the Wii or mass effect crowed. I dont care if Bioware makes more money on consoles. I am here because of my taste not of the taste of other people. If I dont like something i will complain especially if i actually care about something in the first place.

And luckily I am by far not the only one. Yes it maybe mostly the PC crowd that complains alot but thats because we just have higher RPG standards because of the great quaility RPGs had and some still have on the PC.

Also i may have said that for like 200 times already but if this was a new IP not there wouldnt be many complains. But this game was a sequel to a game that actually bought mostly PC gamers faith back in Bioware. Of course people are now upset and actually let it out.

[AJRimmsey]

StingingVelvet wrote...

The simple fact is that the game is somewhat disappointing and the internet is the home of exaggeration and drama. Bioware knows that, and while I am sure they are taking some of the disappointment to heart they know the bashing and insults are just internet people being internet people.

personally i hope to hell your wrong.

otherwise they will continue stripping down and "streamlining" games until we are back at the games like fred or mario cart.
and still charging full price for them.

as annoying the constant bashing is,at least they are doing more for gamers than the people who keep saying "get over it"
the more we see people say "i wont be buying next time until i check what your selling",the better chance they will have to rethink the greed and start making games worth the money.

tell me when the last sequel released was better than the first ?
DA2 is a good game,but it certainly isnt DA2 as its supposed to be better.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 13 mars 2011 - 10:30 .

[Gotholhorakh]

Maybe if there had been fewer complaints from a vocal minority in the first place;

They wouldn't have ended up devoting massive amounts of production effort to, and limiting game paths and dialogue for...

..main character voice acting.

Seriously, this worse than doubles the effort of writing, editing and branching the story and dialogue, in practical game development terms it's probably taken away more than half the game and is COMPLETELY POINTLESS.

I hope the relevant complainers in our community are happy, now.

Oh, wait.






Edit: Reading that back, I should clarify - I definitely do NOT mean to do down all vocal complainers, feedback is good and has been important during the development of Dragon Age.

I really mean to pass comment on this single issue, massive repercussions have been felt for a few people who were looking for something to bemoan about an excellent, excellent game.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 13 mars 2011 - 10:58 .

[BrutaleBent]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

It's pretty hilarious to see all these guys on the forums state that DA2 is 'terrible' and an unmitigated failure as if the conclusion were published in a scientific journal. I can only guess they are true gaming connoisseurs and spend their evenings dining on caviar whilst playing obscure, artistic games from foreign countries.

This deserved a quote - made me chuckle.

[DaringMoosejaw]

cosgamer wrote...

Arontala22 wrote...

People have the right to criticize the game. However, they do NOT have the right to come on to a privately owned website, and personally insult members of bioware, or EA, and act like children who didn't get what they want.

People do have the right to come onto the forums and criticize the game, especially if they've paid money to the company. .

Actually, they don't. Your contract with Bioware began and ended when you bought the game, aside from a 90-day warranty if your disc/manual is defective. If they wanted, they could ban anyone who's even slightly critical about the game and there'd be nothing you could do about it. They don't even have to have forums (sometimes, seeing what this place devolves into, I wish they didn't).

Maybe the game was rushed, maybe it's not as broad as DA:O was. But is it 'terrible'? Complete ****? Worse than Kane & Lynch 2? The exaggerations are wild and venomous and its a distraction from legitimate criticism.

My personal problems with the game, even though I'm noting that it was rushed and some parts of it have obviously taken a hit from that, mainly settles with the combat and the ending (360 version). It was getting very annoying near the end having to fight off several waves of a dozen guys every time I had to cross an area. I'd rather have had fewer enemies in greater variety with a greater challenge. I also miss auto-attack a bit.

As for the ending, to keep it sufficiently vague the last fight was pretty awesome but how they handled it story-wise was incredibly vague. There was really no closure and everything ended way too abruptly.

Other than those issues, it was certainly worth the money and I'll be replaying it multiple times anyway. I certainly wish they learn from this not to rush things out the door that quick again and polish things up a bit more, but its still a great game.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 13 mars 2011 - 02:11 .

[DragonRageGT]

BrutaleBent wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

It's pretty hilarious to see all these guys on the forums state that DA2 is 'terrible' and an unmitigated failure as if the conclusion were published in a scientific journal. I can only guess they are true gaming connoisseurs and spend their evenings dining on caviar whilst playing obscure, artistic games from foreign countries.

This deserved a quote - made me chuckle.

Yep, it is funny, despite being totally wrong. It is actually very sad to see all these guys on the forums stating that even if DA2 is an OK game, it is far from the epic game they promised and that Origins deserved as a sequel. It is also sad that without better argument to defend a position exalting all the game qualities, some will have to attack those who don't call it a masterpiece.

DA2 is not a masterpiece.  Even if I am enjoying my first playthrough (haven't reached recycled areas yet though), there are many aspects that do seem rushed, generic and unpolished/uninspired to me, specially if compared to the same aspects in Origins. I don't need to list them. Have done so a lot already.

Now, what I really hate in DA2 may have nothing to do with what caused most users' reviews out there to go as low as 3/10 and I always trust users' reviews over websites/magazines where profissional reviewers have not played the game
on the hardest diff, are lame gamers and are paid a bonus to write good stuff about something not so good. (Or worst, to give a poor review to another great game just because it is competition from a small German gaming house)

I really hate whoever let them change the voice actors for Bodahn and Sandal and specially who designed the new darkspawn and the elves.  These look like the natives from Avatar without the blue skin!

One thing easy to realize in a game series like Gothic is that the Orcs or Snappers or Trolls or any monster really,  looks the same in every title of the series with improvements, of course. Even Gothic 4, a piece of crap game made by different developers than the original 3 games of the series, managed to improve the design without changing it drastically. Shadowbeasts are awesome in any Gothic title but in Gothic 4 they are even more awesome because technology allowed them to make it happen without changing the basic look.

Darkspawn in DA2 are a joke compared to Origins and the ElvHen, OMG, I can only be happy we cannot play Elves in this game!

[Lee T]

RageGT wrote...

I really hate whoever let them change the voice actors for Bodahn and Sandal

That's weird because Dwight Shultz (Bodahn) and Yuri Lowenthal (Sandal) are listed in imdb's Dragon Age 2 credits as "additional voices", seems weird to make them come and record but not their previous characters. Could it be the same with a drasticaly different voice direction?

[Jzadek72]

RageGT wrote...
DA2 is not a masterpiece.  Even if I am enjoying my first playthrough (haven't reached recycled areas yet though), there are many aspects that do seem rushed, generic and unpolished/uninspired to me, specially if compared to the same aspects in Origins. I don't need to list them. Have done so a lot already.

I wish more people on the forums would follow this example. I have no problem with people hating, it's just I've heard certain people's reasons in almost every thread now.

[astreqwerty]

Turnip Root wrote...

RoninOmega wrote...

I hear you man, I pray their situation gets better, right now it doesn't look so good

I wouldn't worry too much.  A mistake does not mean the end of everything.  Mistakes made in games can serve as a foundation to learn and improve future games.  The mistakes made in Dragon Age 2 may very well make Bioware a better company and lets be honest, this had to happen eventually.  Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age:Origins, KOTOR were such complete masterpieces that it had to happen eventually that they release a game that doesn't quite live up to the standards of their previous releases.

That doesn't make Bioware a bad company, it doesn't mean that Bioware is ruined.  It just shows that nobody is perfect and we should drop this rhetoric of apolcayptic doom for Bioware. 
I can understand why people think Dragon Age Origins is the superior game but people who are saying this is an outright terrible RPG are exaggerating.  It's not terrible by a long shot, it's just that people expected more from Bioware which is understandable.

People should not give up on Bioware though just because of one game that they're not entirely satisfied with.  

its not a mistake,its biowares new developing policy..it has already happened with ME2,its happening with da2 and it is deffo gonna happen with ME3