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[Jzadek72]

astreqwerty wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

RoninOmega wrote...

I hear you man, I pray their situation gets better, right now it doesn't look so good

I wouldn't worry too much.  A mistake does not mean the end of everything.  Mistakes made in games can serve as a foundation to learn and improve future games.  The mistakes made in Dragon Age 2 may very well make Bioware a better company and lets be honest, this had to happen eventually.  Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age:Origins, KOTOR were such complete masterpieces that it had to happen eventually that they release a game that doesn't quite live up to the standards of their previous releases.

That doesn't make Bioware a bad company, it doesn't mean that Bioware is ruined.  It just shows that nobody is perfect and we should drop this rhetoric of apolcayptic doom for Bioware. 
I can understand why people think Dragon Age Origins is the superior game but people who are saying this is an outright terrible RPG are exaggerating.  It's not terrible by a long shot, it's just that people expected more from Bioware which is understandable.

People should not give up on Bioware though just because of one game that they're not entirely satisfied with.  

its not a mistake,its biowares new developing policy..it has already happened with ME2,its happening with da2 and it is deffo gonna happen with ME3

Everything I've seen about ME3 mentions how they went a little far with ME2, and are restoring some of the more old-school roleplaying features.

[sarfios]

It's all about the money... Get used with it... Sooner or later...

[Lotion Soronarr]

There is no Bioware anymore.
The old company is there in name only. They are EA now.

[SnowHeart1]

As someone who hopes he is voicing his criticisms in a constructive fashion, let me just say I agree with everything in the original post.

[Marionetten]

EA/BioWare is a business. While I think it's going a little too far when people start naming and blaming certain individuals within that business I don't perceive any issue in blaming that business as a whole. They messed up on Dragon Age II. They deserve to be trashed for that. When you're an AAA developer like BioWare people come to expect great things from you. When you rush out a half-baked product like Dragon Age II... well, what do you think is going to happen? Day one DLC doesn't help with the public opinion.

So yeah, I really don't sympathize on that level. As a business they decided to put this out on the market. They decided to focus on DLC. They decided to let their fans down in the name of profit with a rushed product. BioWare needs to realize that they are mortal like any other developer and that if they keep this up they will eventually go under.

[AJRimmsey]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

 If they wanted, they could ban anyone who's even slightly critical about the game and there'd be nothing you could do about it.

as much as i would agree with you,we are both wrong,just google the game and theres more about their banning and bad press than the game itself.

we cannot argue that it has to have a huge damaging effect on the company.

[EternalPink]

I think when a lot of people brought the game on reputation alone you have to expect this, when i first posted asking how many people where concerned about game stability based off the first one I had a legion of people post with the "duhh its Bioware" that had never ventured into the PC tech forum to see what people had been posting about.

[DragonRageGT]

astreqwerty wrote...

its not a mistake,its biowares new developing policy..it has already happened with ME2,its happening with da2 and it is deffo gonna happen with ME3

Forgot to say... my Hawke entering a Tavern and having a drink with the very same animation my Shepard does in ME2... well, and they wonder why we call it Dragon Effect...

[Vandrayke]

I think more people should just consume one product at a time and not get emotionally invested with companies. They aren't emotionally invested in you, so you should just treat everything like a business transaction like they do.

Don't like the game? Fine, noted, move on. Love the game? Great, have fun.

But people wax emotional like OMG BIOWARE WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME or I FEEL SO SORRY FOR BIOWARE BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT LIKE THEM

I don't get it.

[TheJestersHat]

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

[Mordolvo]

People love to hate.

I'm playing DA2 on the PC, and altough I'm not too hapy with the inventory management (altough DA1 wasn't better at this) and equipment mechanics I'm still having a blast playing it (the fast paced combat is actually a big improvement).

What I do not get is the story concerns. Yes, there isn't a clear main evil, but DA2's story is a bit better then DA1's.
DA2 is about telling the story of the Champion of Kirwall, and this is exactly what it does. You see how Hawke comes to Kirkwall, and how he becomes the Champion (can't say too much since I'd be spoiling!).

[dean1978]

I agree Bioware is no longer the company it used to be maybe they are the same people that made all the masterpieces but their actions is controlled by EA so in other words merely a puppet.

[Anathemic]

Mordolvo wrote...

People love to hate.

I'm playing DA2 on the PC, and altough I'm not too hapy with the inventory management (altough DA1 wasn't better at this) and equipment mechanics I'm still having a blast playing it (the fast paced combat is actually a big improvement).

What I do not get is the story concerns. Yes, there isn't a clear main evil, but DA2's story is a bit better then DA1's.
DA2 is about telling the story of the Champion of Kirwall, and this is exactly what it does. You see how Hawke comes to Kirkwall, and how he becomes the Champion (can't say too much since I'd be spoiling!).

Story being better is a purely subjective opinion.

I for one can say (and I truly believe this) StarCraft 2's story is better than DA2's story.

[Jzadek72]

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

[Anathemic]

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

Purely subjective, you must understand that some players were unable to immerse themselves or roleplay in teh game.

[Persephone]

Such trashing and whinging happens around release dates. It happened when DAO was released too. And especially when ME2 was released. Doesn't make DA2 (A masterpiece in my unimportant eyes, far better than the vanilla children's book called DAO) a horrible game. The whiners post more now because most who enjoy the game are playing it, rather than wasting time on the forums. Which reminds me....I got a Rogue DA2 run to do!! See ya! And kudos to Bioware!

[Jzadek72]

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

Purely subjective, you must understand that some players were unable to immerse themselves or roleplay in teh game.

Story is subjective. Characters are subjective. The ability to roleplay is not.

[TheJestersHat]

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

To you maybe, and if you enjoyed it am glad. But I just though it was more akin to an action/adventure with some dialogue. And dialogue that hardly ever said what I wanted to convey.

Modifié par TheJestersHat, 13 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[ACDimps]

bioware made starsiege? I thought that was dynamix (tribes is one of my favorite games of all time)

[Anathemic]

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

Purely subjective, you must understand that some players were unable to immerse themselves or roleplay in teh game.

Story is subjective. Characters are subjective. The ability to roleplay is not.

What? Yes it is.

I've seen people immerse themselves into CoD games, fully into the experience of teamwork in a digitualized world in warfare.

Many otheres (and myself) can't achieve this and it's plain ignorance to think everybody can.

The same concept can be applied here to Dragon Age 2. Some people are able to immerse themselves to roleplay, others cannot.

Please shed off your ignorance and think for a moment.

Modifié par Anathemic, 13 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[Steffin]

Vxed wrote...

Maybe some the people who are "soooo upset" and "sooo deceived" And thinks Bioware is so bad and "not purchasing any future products" Should also start trashing Dragon Age, and BG 1 and 2 and Mass Effect 1 and 2 and KOTOR. Bioware made all those titles, i suppose its best they never play them again too.

Right?

Are you an idiot?



There are child molesters that were stellar model citizens before they became
sick individuals. I guess by your theory we should not persecute say …
priests because they are wholesome characters who only made one mistake.



Right?

[Jzadek72]

TheJestersHat wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

To you maybe, and if you enjoyed it am glad. But I just though it was more akin to an action/adventure with some dialogue.

To me, the dialogue is what makes the RPG - Bioware provides the options like a paintshop provides paint. Then, you use those paints to create a personality.

[TheJestersHat]

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

To you maybe, and if you enjoyed it am glad. But I just though it was more akin to an action/adventure with some dialogue.

To me, the dialogue is what makes the RPG - Bioware provides the options like a paintshop provides paint. Then, you use those paints to create a personality.

But the dialogue is one of the issues I have with it. It was bland, montonous and hardly ever inspiring - regardless of choice. At least to me that is. Most of the time the wheel text rarely conveyed what I intended.

Saying that, the voice acting was good.

Modifié par TheJestersHat, 13 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[Jzadek72]

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

Purely subjective, you must understand that some players were unable to immerse themselves or roleplay in teh game.

Story is subjective. Characters are subjective. The ability to roleplay is not.

What? Yes it is.

I've seen people immerse themselves into CoD games, fully into the experience of teamwork in a digitualized world in warfare.

Many otheres (and myself) can't achieve this and it's plain ignorance to think everybody can.

The same concept can be applied here to Dragon Age 2. Some people are able to immerse themselves to roleplay, others cannot.

Please shed off your ignorance and think for a moment.

First off, just because I don't agree with you, doesn't make me ignorant. Moderate your tone or this will turn into yet another shouting match, and god knows the forum's seen enough of them recently.

Roleplaying is the game giving you the opportunity to create and characterise a character. Dragon Age 2 is designed to give you opportunity to do this. Therefore, it is a roleplaying game. Not being able to do so doesn't negate this design, and it's inclusion into the genre. I can't for the life of me play combo-based button mashers, for example, finding it impossible to coordinate my fingers quickly enough. This doesn't mean the game isn't a combo-based button masher.