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[Nick Fox]

Turnip Root wrote...

2papercuts wrote...

to be fair, I think that the reaction is combinded with that of ME2, where this is the second simplified game,

that doesn't make it a bad game, but Bioware seems to be going in a direction some don't like

The reaction to Mass Effect 2 was nowhere even remotely close to being as negative as we're seeing with Dragon Age 2.  The micro-management and RPG elements in Mass Effect 2 were simplified but people were able to overlook that due to the vast improvements in the game's shooting mechanics, graphics, and gameplay.

I know some die hard RPG fans were not happy with Mass Effect 2 but Mass Effect 2 was DEFINETLY not a failure.

Far from all people "overlooked" it and I am one of them. Didnt even finish ME 2 becouse of the "improvments". Just that I dont speak to much about it these days and is more dissapointed than ever with the arrival of DA 2. Some like it some dont just as with ME 1 and 2. No difference but DA series is/was probably bigger so naturally more complaints when a similar thing is done to the series.

[KuramaBingyi09]

If you really want to see a company that can never satisfy its customers, look at Blizzard Entertainment with World of Warcraft. Whenever they release information about an upcoming patch, there's always the swarm of players who come in and decide that the game's no longer good enough and threatens to leave, becoming so overly dramatic about the changes - which eventually turn out to be good.

Every game company gets this. BioWare is just having its turn, now. People will eventually learn to get over it and praise Dragon Age 2 as the BioWare masterpiece it really is.

[Jzadek72]

TheJestersHat wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

To you maybe, and if you enjoyed it am glad. But I just though it was more akin to an action/adventure with some dialogue.

To me, the dialogue is what makes the RPG - Bioware provides the options like a paintshop provides paint. Then, you use those paints to create a personality.

But the dialogue is one of the issues I have with it. It was bland, montonous and hardly ever inspiring. At least to me that is. Most of the time the on screen text on the wheel rarely conveyed what I intented. Saying that, the voice acting was good.

Fair enough. Personally, I liked it, but that is genuinely subjective.
But bland dialogue just makes something a bad RPG, it doesn't change the genre.

[Anathemic]

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

TheJestersHat wrote...

They deserve to be trashed after the junk they released. RPG? Yeah right....

I'm sorry? I got to roleplay, I decided Hawke's personality, it was a roleplaying game.

Purely subjective, you must understand that some players were unable to immerse themselves or roleplay in teh game.

Story is subjective. Characters are subjective. The ability to roleplay is not.

What? Yes it is.

I've seen people immerse themselves into CoD games, fully into the experience of teamwork in a digitualized world in warfare.

Many otheres (and myself) can't achieve this and it's plain ignorance to think everybody can.

The same concept can be applied here to Dragon Age 2. Some people are able to immerse themselves to roleplay, others cannot.

Please shed off your ignorance and think for a moment.

First off, just because I don't agree with you, doesn't make me ignorant. Moderate your tone or this will turn into yet another shouting match, and god knows the forum's seen enough of them recently.

Roleplaying is the game giving you the opportunity to create and characterise a character. Dragon Age 2 is designed to give you opportunity to do this. Therefore, it is a roleplaying game. Not being able to do so doesn't negate this design, and it's inclusion into the genre. I can't for the life of me play combo-based button mashers, for example, finding it impossible to coordinate my fingers quickly enough. This doesn't mean the game isn't a combo-based button masher.

It makes you ignorant praising that the ability to roleplay is not subjective and purely objective, which you did, and is completely false.

Create and characterize huh? You have the definition of roleplaying wrong. The definition of roleplay is the ability for one to 'play a role.' Granted modern RPG's allow the person to create a fully customized avatar, that doesn't automatically mean its an RPG.

Take a look at The Witcher. You can't create a chracter, because it's already predetermined for you (Geralt). So how do you roleplay? Simple, you immerse yourself into Geralt's role and play his role throughout the game, controlling his choice/actions, etc.

So you can't for the life of you play combo-based button mashers, good for you. understand that some people for the life of them can't immerse themselves into the RPG that is DA2.

[smurfdude]

Deeply upsetting you? You're pathetic, grow a pair of balls you pansy

[Jademoon121]

Finally an OP with his head on straight

We, well, most people can agree to disagree on DA2's quality, especially in comparison to it's predecessor. Hopefully Bioware will take these posts to heart and not have EA lord over them. I believe in Bioware, I really do. They just need to have more control and say over the creation process.
EA wants to make a budget, we all know that, but when your turning Bioware into a mass production line instead of the artisan crafts Bioware is known for, you're losing a VERY lucrative market to people who play video games for more reasons than to shoot people into bloody pulp(even though that is very enjoyable).
In short, let Bioware take the wheel in DA3. Have EA deal with the advertisements, marketing and so on, but leave the painting to the painter, not the merchant.

[Jzadek72]

Anathemic wrote...

It makes you ignorant praising that the ability to roleplay is not subjective and purely objective, which you did, and is completely false.

Please be a little more civil. I understand you're angry, but there's no point in trying to have an intelligent discussion if we just try to belittle and insult the other's opinions.

Anathemic wrote...Create and characterize huh? You have the definition of roleplaying wrong. The definition of roleplay is the ability for one to 'play a role.' Granted modern RPG's allow the person to create a fully customized avatar, that doesn't automatically mean its an RPG.

Take a look at The Witcher. You can't create a chracter, because it's already predetermined for you (Geralt). So how do you roleplay? Simple, you immerse yourself into Geralt's role and play his role throughout the game, controlling his choice/actions, etc.

Exactly. You control his choices and actions, which define Geralts personality. You don't choose the appearance or name, but you decide what makes him who he is.

Anathemic wrote...So you can't for the life of you play combo-based button mashers, good
for you. understand that some people for the life of them can't immerse
themselves into the RPG that is DA2.

Again, you've missed my point. Just because they can't immerse themselves into the RP capabilites of DA2 doesn't mean those don't exist.

[Anathemic]

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

It makes you ignorant praising that the ability to roleplay is not subjective and purely objective, which you did, and is completely false.

Please be a little more civil. I understand you're angry, but there's no point in trying to have an intelligent discussion if we just try to belittle and insult the other's opinions.

Anathemic wrote...Create and characterize huh? You have the definition of roleplaying wrong. The definition of roleplay is the ability for one to 'play a role.' Granted modern RPG's allow the person to create a fully customized avatar, that doesn't automatically mean its an RPG.

Take a look at The Witcher. You can't create a chracter, because it's already predetermined for you (Geralt). So how do you roleplay? Simple, you immerse yourself into Geralt's role and play his role throughout the game, controlling his choice/actions, etc.

Exactly. You control his choices and actions, which define Geralts personality. You don't choose the appearance or name, but you decide what makes him who he is.

Anathemic wrote...So you can't for the life of you play combo-based button mashers, good
for you. understand that some people for the life of them can't immerse
themselves into the RPG that is DA2.

Again, you've missed my point. Just because they can't immerse themselves into the RP capabilites of DA2 doesn't mean those don't exist.

Yes you control the actions and shape Geralt's personality in the game, however the create a chracter/customization isn't there like you emphasized.

Sure the ability to roleplay is there. However, people actually attempting to suceesfully use this ability is not 100%. Thus making the actualy player's ability to roleplay subjective, which is my main point.

[Encarmine]

To the OP,
I see your point, I think the stick that Bioware are getting is harsh, I think allot of their problems would of been fixed by not calling this Dragon Age:2, and having a brand new character, in a totally new part of the world, with a totally new graphic settings, and then run the story paralle to the original.

In every way it invited comparison to Origins with far deeper rpg elements than DA:2. If it had stood alone as a game with its lore shared, as part of the 'Dragon Age' saga and not pretended to be in some way a strange continuation of Origins, perhaps it would get less heat.

Also, did somone get banned from their game for a forum post? lol

To the PC gamers,
I totally understand your view, I remember when the Modern Warefare series chased after the consol market, with that horrible peer to peer network, turning it into a arcade shooter. Its not nice how thats becoming a general trend, gotta hope they release those next gen consols soon go games can stop being dumbed down.

To the bug complainers, I havnt had any?

[Jzadek72]

Anathemic wrote...

Yes you control the actions and shape Geralt's personality in the game, however the create a chracter/customization isn't there like you emphasized.

I'd say that personality and actions are what make the character, and name and appearance are secondary to this.

Sure the ability to roleplay is there. However, people actually attempting to suceesfully use this ability is not 100%. Thus making the actualy player's ability to roleplay subjective, which is my main point.

I interpreted your main point  to be that DA2's genre is subjective, which it isn't. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, as a player's ability to roleplay certainly is.

[Anathemic]

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Yes you control the actions and shape Geralt's personality in the game, however the create a chracter/customization isn't there like you emphasized.

I'd say that personality and actions are what make the character, and name and appearance are secondary to this.

Sure the ability to roleplay is there. However, people actually attempting to suceesfully use this ability is not 100%. Thus making the actualy player's ability to roleplay subjective, which is my main point.

I interpreted your main point  to be that DA2's genre is subjective, which it isn't. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, as a player's ability to roleplay certainly is.

Well I'm glad we reached a general consensus on this issue, I wasn't determined DA2's genre which is prety obvious, but the actual player interaction.

Anyways since this is over, I apologize for my outburst as I thought you were declaring the actual player interaction objective.

Modifié par Anathemic, 13 mars 2011 - 03:38 .

[AkiKishi]

Heres one to chew on. In an RPG you are supposed to be the character. If you are the character what are you doing during the time skips...

[Jzadek72]

Anathemic wrote...

Jzadek72 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Yes you control the actions and shape Geralt's personality in the game, however the create a chracter/customization isn't there like you emphasized.

I'd say that personality and actions are what make the character, and name and appearance are secondary to this.

Sure the ability to roleplay is there. However, people actually attempting to suceesfully use this ability is not 100%. Thus making the actualy player's ability to roleplay subjective, which is my main point.

I interpreted your main point  to be that DA2's genre is subjective, which it isn't. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, as a player's ability to roleplay certainly is.

Well I'm glad we reached a general consensus on this issue, I wasn't determined DA2's genre which is prety obvious, but the actual player interaction.

Anyways since this is over, I apologize for my outburst as I thought you were declaring the actual player interaction objective.

Don't worry, it happens. Plus, if that's what you thought I was saying, an outburst is quite understandable, especially considering how high strung the forums are at the moment.

[Jzadek72]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Heres one to chew on. In an RPG you are supposed to be the character. If you are the character what are you doing during the time skips...

By that logic, no game has ever been an RPG because you don't follow them throughout their whole lives.

[TheSpaceHamster]

If everyone is so unhappy - and the (sudden ME2 hate is arising, again) - stop buying their games. It makes no sense one way or the other to complain about their products, and yet to continually purchase them.

I, for one, have enjoyed DA2. I'm not expecting Oscar Wilde like wordplay in my games, as long as they entertain me...that's all I care about. Personal opinion perhaps, but that's all we ever truly have power over.

[Cobopolies]

I wasn't too butthurt with the ME2 change when it happened, being a shooter and all. Besides, I was like "At least there's Dragon Age"....

So sad.

[Deadmac]

Turnip Root wrote...
I have been a fan of Bioware since even before the days of Baldur's Gate.  I was a mech-sim fan in the late 90's and Shattered Steel along with Starsiege were two of my favorites during the day.  This is the company that has provided me and many others with some of the most memorable moments in gaming and I think they deserve better than the inecessant insults, trash-talking, bragging about piracy, and downright venemous rhetoric that has plagued these forums and others.

You are acting like we owe BioWare. Lol... Buying their products is a matter of choice; thus, we are not obligated to invest into their merchandise. Its called freedom of choice and consumerism.

When I purchase a game at BestBuy, I do not care about who makes the game. Developers and publishers are a dime a dozen. During the many years I have purchased software (games specifically), I have seen thousands of companies go out of business. Personally, I do not care who they are specifically. If I see something in which I like, I will buy it regardless about who is making the game.

Welcome to corporate Dawinsim. If a company cannot make their products attractive, they are solely responsible for their in ability to bring in revenue. No one else can be blamed for their mistakes.

Turnip Root wrote...
Also, I think it's important for people to remember that some of the questionable things which have happened such as the banning of a player from his game because of forum activity is not the fault of Bioware.  Bioware is a development company which is a subsidary of EA and it's EA which sets the policies for user agreements and such.  I definetly don't condone EA's behaviour here but I applaud the forum for speaking out against this injustice and I feel that EA has gotten the appropriate message.

What you just said was, "Even though people paid $200+ dollars on software, which requires activation through these forums, its okay for them to steal your money if you form an opinion."

Since BioWare infused these forums with game registration, software activation, dlc downloading, dlc purchasing, and dlc activation, the amount you spend on their products also pays for an account here. Unlike every other forum online, the account you open here is actually paid for by you. If I remember my laws correctly, the United States has a set of consumer rights policies. We also have agencies that deal with this specific issue. Its not as black and white as you think.

Now... After thinking about this a little more, BioWare can fix this very exact issue in the future. If they do not want their forums filled with negativity, BioWare needs to setup another means for dlc downloading, dlc purchasing, dlc activation, and game registration. Instead of infusing those services with the forums, BioWare should setup a separate system to deal with customer service issues.

Again, welcome to corporate Dawinsim. When one company buys out another, the other company no longer exists. BioWare is now owned by Electronic Arts; therefore, they are Electronic Arts. BioWare the independant company no longer exists.

BioWare is Electrionic Arts.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 mars 2011 - 04:16 .

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

i dont know why everyone hates DA2 so much. like ok so maybe it sucks that your in kirkwall most of the time, and that you cant customize your allies. but look at the improvments they made. the new grahpics, style, and dialouge. and the gameplay is fine, sure its more action oriented but it still involves thinking and strategy( esspacialy on insanity). overall i like the game just fine.

[eldav]

true

[eldav]

teue to that Bioware aint Bioware no more, its EA.
And everyone should be able to critisise a company.

[Myounage]

Well. If they didn't make a crappy game they wouldn't be getting crap. They brought it on themselves.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

bioware is STILL BIOWARE, ea is simply helping them...and WOULD YOU RATHER BIOWARE BE OWNED BY ACTIVISION, CUZ TRUST ME THEY COULD BE OWNED BY WAY WORSE COMPANIES. ea is just fine, so quite gripeing that ea is ruining bioware they are not

[AkiKishi]

Jzadek72 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Heres one to chew on. In an RPG you are supposed to be the character. If you are the character what are you doing during the time skips...

By that logic, no game has ever been an RPG because you don't follow them throughout their whole lives.

But they don't run off and do things you are not aware of once you "take over" in DA2 they do.

[Shirosaki17]

What I don't understand, is how can Bioware say they went a bit too far with ME2 on taking out RPG elements and then do the same thing with a game that is suppose to be more of a RPG? If they had learned their lesson, they wouldn't have done the same things with DA2. I have to assume that they are just saying this to get people interested and to buy ME3. I mean we may get 1-2 features, but we'll probably get a few new features everywhere in the game.