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[hukhan00]

Great post. Wish these forums had a like button!

[wildcard4542000]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...
I just pray to god ME3 is very awesome or this will happened all over again but with the full force of ME and DA fans combined.

That would be site to see!

I really hope that ME3 is awesome also, and I hope they don't take out anymore RPG elements than they already have. Please God!! No COD third person shooter clone, there are already plenty of those on the market!! That's my FEAR for ME3. The RPG elements that they did take out. Left kind of a sour taste in my mouth, but I was still able to enjoy ME2 for the most part. However, what they cut from DA:O going into DAII was waaaayyy to much of what makes a good CRPG, in my opinion at least.

Hopefully Bioware restores the faith of their Hardcore CRPG fanbase, that have gotten them to where they are today, with any future installments of the DA franchise.

Modifié par wildcard4542000, 13 mars 2011 - 04:58 .

[zkaizer]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

bioware is STILL BIOWARE, ea is simply helping them...and WOULD YOU RATHER BIOWARE BE OWNED BY ACTIVISION, CUZ TRUST ME THEY COULD BE OWNED BY WAY WORSE COMPANIES. ea is just fine, so quite gripeing that ea is ruining bioware they are not

Bioware is NOT still Bioware. It's a division of EA now. Before this crazy massive lay-off crap happened in the US, I belonged to a famous worldwide company and was part of their corporate division. One of the things a 'division' has to do is earn money. If it continues to do well each quarter, everything's fine but if it starts to lose money, it does "re-org" and either replaces the staff with people who are known to do whatever it takes to earn money or it fires / lay-off and absorbs said company and just use the name. Bioware MUST earn money for EA. Those quarter profits must be at or exceed last quarters....that goes for every business.

[Emerald Melios]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...

good god the fact the these peole will trun on bioware for ONE GAME just shows how unloyal these people are. heres my mimic of a bioware hater

"OOOOO I LOVE THERE OLD GAMES BUT...THEIR NEW GAME SUCKS, SO I HATE THEM NOW, OOOO".

really TICKS ME OFF to see the company that has inspired me for years getting unfairly bashed like this

I really don't understand why if they they think Baldur's Gate was the pinnacle, they should just play that and stop bawling over newer games.

[MassEffect762]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

What I don't understand, is how can Bioware say they went a bit too far with ME2 on taking out RPG elements and then do the same thing with a game that is suppose to be more of a RPG? If they had learned their lesson, they wouldn't have done the same things with DA2. I have to assume that they are just saying this to get people interested and to buy ME3. I mean we may get 1-2 features, but we'll probably get a few new features everywhere in the game.

Yup, which is why I don't trust any of them to give it to me straight.


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Modifié par MassEffect762, 13 mars 2011 - 05:49 .

[Lee337]

I don't like DA2 at all, but I like every other game I have played from Bioware. Can't always like eveything, so I'm not going to throw insults at them.

[handheld]

Handheld thinks if you think this is bad you should go see the league of legends forums. Handheld is just dumbfounded at the huge amount of bashing riot games gets for everything they do.

[Big Blue Car]

If we are getting all 'Let's help Bioware!' up in here, everyone could generally change their attitudes regarding constructive criticism on these forums. So many people over the last year, myself included to a degree, voiced the same criticisms we're seeing from reviewers and fans now and were largely either shouted down or insulted at the time even when those views were presented reasonably.

Seriously, we're all here because we are fans of what Bioware do and we all want them to be creating great games for a long, long time. We can seriously have a role to play in explaining and discussing the good AND THE BAD about what we are seeing and what we want if only people weren't so quick to dismiss posters they see as negative.

Modifié par Big Blue Car, 13 mars 2011 - 06:59 .

[Jzadek72]

Big Blue Car wrote...

If we are getting all 'Let's help Bioware!' up in here, everyone could generally change their attitudes regarding constructive criticism on these forums. So many people over the last year, myself included to a degree, voiced the same criticisms we're seeing from reviewers and fans now and were largely either shouted down or insulted at the time even when those views were presented reasonably.

Seriously, we're all here because we are fans of what Bioware do and we all want them to be creating great games for a long, long time. We can seriously have a role to play in explaining and discussing the good AND THE BAD about what we are seeing and what we want if only people weren't so quick to dismiss posters they see as negative.

What you say here is true except the last part. The main thing I see here is people just seething and raging, with a profound lack of constructive criticism.

[handheld]

Big Blue Car wrote...

If we are getting all 'Let's help Bioware!' up in here, everyone could generally change their attitudes regarding constructive criticism on these forums. So many people over the last year, myself included to a degree, voiced the same criticisms we're seeing from reviewers and fans now and were largely either shouted down or insulted at the time even when those views were presented reasonably.

Seriously, we're all here because we are fans of what Bioware do and we all want them to be creating great games for a long, long time. We can seriously have a role to play in explaining and discussing the good AND THE BAD about what we are seeing and what we want if only people weren't so quick to dismiss posters they see as negative.

Handheld himself agrees that the community is harsh however handheld himself also knows that its the bioware community. Handheld loves his fellow forumites but asking them to be nice is like helga the massage krogan to be gentle while making love. It just wont happen.

(shudders) Helga the massage krogan, how Handheld himself fears her.

[b00mQQ]

Dragon Age: Origins wasn't so hot when it first launched, either. In fact, it's damn near impossible to enjoy it without modding it out the ass, but people seem to of forgotten that.

I'm enjoying Dragon Age 2 immensely, and seeing how it's a single player game people ****ing and crying because they got sand in their vagina doesn't really bother me.

[handheld]

b00mQQ wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins wasn't so hot when it first launched, either. In fact, it's damn near impossible to enjoy it without modding it out the ass, but people seem to of forgotten that.

I'm enjoying Dragon Age 2 immensely, and seeing how it's a single player game people ****ing and crying because they got sand in their vagina doesn't really bother me.

Handheld does not have sand? Nor a vagina. Handheld is insulted good day sir.

[ExtinctRPG]

BioWare deserves to be trashed.

You know the biggest way I can criticize DA 2 is by copping to the fact that although I'm still going through Act 1, I really don't even feel like playing it anymore. When Origins came out I was obsessed with it. I played Origins exclusively for months with different playthroughs and experimenting with different builds. I even stopped my WoW subscription which is very rare for another game to pull me away like that.

In DA 2 so much stuff has been dumbed down and streamlined that I have no emotional connection to the characters, the plot or anything in the game for that matter so I could not care any less what happens to Hawke. Combined with the fact I've been feeling huffy about the cheesy/contrived AI tactics I'm not even going to bother finishing it.

Modifié par ExtinctRPG, 13 mars 2011 - 07:13 .

[Sir Wise]

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing, so what if bioware's DA2 comes off as more of a console focused game, the battle system didnt drag ass and bore me to tears like it did in Dragon Age Origins, if the story wasnt so good in DAO no way in hell would I have finished it...

[b00mQQ]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 solid post, OP. I agree 110%. I'll admit, Bioware didn't go as far as they should or could have with DA2, but it is still one of the best games I have ever played. Hopefully all this hurt against Bioware will stop in a week or so.

It will. Eventually they'll quit trolling and they'll go off to play the game. Happens everytime. Same exact thing happened with the launch of Dragon Age: Origins, but a few monhs later when there were hundreds of mods out to change aspects they didn't like then they thought it was the greatest game to ever exist. People totally forget that Origins was garbage out of the box, and they're comparing an out of the box version of Dragon Age 2 next to a 2 year old patched Origins with an expansion pack, hundreds of mods, and loads of DLC.

I give it a month, and the same people here crying because Dragon Age 2 put sand in their vagina will be on here praising at how awesome Dragon Age 2 is and how they can't get enough.

[Whammo]

Sir Wise wrote...

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing, so what if bioware's DA2 comes off as more of a console focused game, the battle system didnt drag ass and bore me to tears like it did in Dragon Age Origins, if the story wasnt so good in DAO no way in hell would I have finished it...

So you're accusing PC gamers of "****ing" yet you are "****ing" about DAOs combat system.

And by your own logic Bioware should change DA2s combat system back to the previous one because it put some people off the game. Or are you trying to say you only approve of changes when they only benefit yourself?

[Jzadek72]

Sir Wise wrote...

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing, so what if bioware's DA2 comes off as more of a console focused game, the battle system didnt drag ass and bore me to tears like it did in Dragon Age Origins, if the story wasnt so good in DAO no way in hell would I have finished it...

Please, just stop talking. You're not only an insult to the "****ing pc gamers" you're an insult to those who liked the game. A degree of civility would really help any arguments you'd like to make in defence of DA2.

Modifié par Jzadek72, 13 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[ExtinctRPG]

Sir Wise wrote...

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing

They're also good at pirating if I might add.

[AJRimmsey]

i would be interested to know why people think constructive critique does any good whatsoever ?

You dont actually think developers come here and feel proud when reading a few threads on how people like a game ?
its a business/factory floor system,and the management will only react to bad publicity,as thats all that effects profits.
you can backslap as much as you like,the people your backslapping never read it,and never care if you like a game or not.
what they care about is if you BUY it,and then its only thier bonuses they care about.

the only people reading this forum are the members,complainers and backslappers only.
your deluding yourselves if you think any suggestions or critique are ever seen by anyone of importance.
that was in the old days,when devs had a vested interest and a say in what direction a game went.

so all the "whiner" bashing is pointless,as they are the only ones having any effect on the next release.

[Whammo]

ExtinctRPG wrote...

Sir Wise wrote...

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing

They're also good at pirating if I might add.

Apparently not as good as console owners. A torrent for the 360 version of DA2 was available about a week earlier than the PC.

[ExtinctRPG]

Whammo wrote...

ExtinctRPG wrote...

Sir Wise wrote...

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing

They're also good at pirating if I might add.

Apparently not as good as console owners. A torrent for the 360 version of DA2 was available about a week earlier than the PC.

ROFL

I sit corrected.

[Foolsfolly]

Look, it's because I love BioWare games that I was so upset.

There's certain things you come to expect from BioWare.

- Cliche story that's really really better than anything has any right to be.
- Great Characters.
- Great Dialogue.
- A great amount of bugs.
- Boring and outdated combat systems.

There for many years I'd always say, "You play BioWare games for the story not the gameplay." And they're fixing that, I respect that. Mass Effect 2 took an even and well thought step in the right direction to giving us gameplay on par with their character work. It's not perfect yet but it was a good step.

DA2's a....step. I like the combat. It appears a few on this board don't but it's a more enjoyable and inviting combat system. A huge number of potential customers were the tiniest of children when Baldur's Gate was out and a combat system that's nostalgic for gaming back before their time completely disinterests them.

There are games out there right now with amazing visuals, gripping plots, fun characters, and you do big 100 million dollar movie things. You can be elitist all you want. Or you could say all you need is a top down isometric, twenty stat screens, and your imagination but that's not going to be true to many customers.

BioWare's trying to give us better gameplay. ME1 felt like KOTOR and Halo had a pretty but not overly bright child. ME2 refined combat, making it faster, funner, and rewarding of player's skill (how did ME1 even come out without giving headshot damage? That's a staple of shooter combat since the 90s).

They tried to do that with DA2. And I personally think it was a decent effort. Combat's fun and easy to pick up. There's still tactics but they've definitely been toned down. They attempted to have Normal be more 'pick up and play' and Nightmare more 'tactical combat' based. I don't know if it worked, I haven't done a Nightmare run.

But it's a fine combat system. Not really better or worse than Origins, just different.

The thing is, DA2 has no substance. The story is so paper thin that it's see through. All the character work is incidental since there's no reason to even have them around (why's Fenris working for you? Why does Aveline hang around a bunch of rogues that she can have a high rivalry for? Why hasn't Isabella left on a new boat?).

It's this hollowness in the core of DA2 that's the source of all the problems. You beat the game and you're wondering why it wasn't satisfying. You play the blame game and all changes from what worked last time must be at fault here. But the true culprit is that there's no purpose to the game, no strong central villain or plot. You just do side quests because you're the only person in the game world that isn't stapled down to one spot waiting for someone to help you.

And without a strong center of story, plot developments, and character motivations the whole thing falls apart. The best gameplay in the world can make you over look a bad plot but the best gameplay in the world cannot make you overlook a lack of plot.

[Turnip Root]

Whammo wrote...

ExtinctRPG wrote...

Sir Wise wrote...

PC gamers are good at one thing and its ****ing

They're also good at pirating if I might add.

Apparently not as good as console owners. A torrent for the 360 version of DA2 was available about a week earlier than the PC.

This may be true but pirating on the 360 requires modding the console, something which is risky since Microsoft can easily detect unauthorized hardware and will brick your console without warning.

PC piracy is consequence free.  I don't have any specific statistics to compare piracy rates of the 360 compared to the PC but I do know that unlike PC pirates, many Xbox360 pirates do not get away with it.

[Big Blue Car]

AJRimmsey wrote...

i would be interested to know why people think constructive critique does any good whatsoever ?

You dont actually think developers come here and feel proud when reading a few threads on how people like a game ?
its a business/factory floor system,and the management will only react to bad publicity,as thats all that effects profits.
you can backslap as much as you like,the people your backslapping never read it,and never care if you like a game or not.
what they care about is if you BUY it,and then its only thier bonuses they care about.

the only people reading this forum are the members,complainers and backslappers only.
your deluding yourselves if you think any suggestions or critique are ever seen by anyone of importance.
that was in the old days,when devs had a vested interest and a say in what direction a game went.

so all the "whiner" bashing is pointless,as they are the only ones having any effect on the next release.

Not really, I was personally sassed by the lead designer of DA2 on this forum. They do read what we say, some of it anyway. That means that if we can have a culture here that encourages intelligent discussion and constructive criticism then it could be a useful resource for the devs to find ongoing, smart feedback on their decisions.

It's something worth aiming for, god knows the devs need all the help they can get based on this latest showing. 

[BadGameIsBad]

JohnEpler wrote...

Bans handed out.

Homophobia is entirely unacceptable on these forums. If you're unable to respond to things in a respectful way, you will not be welcome here anymore.

So in this game marketed towards the "Call of Duty" crowd Bioware thought it was a good idea fill the game with as much homosexuality as possible. Let's not forget the average age of the Call of Duty crowd ranges from 8-15 years old.

Remember, according to JohnEpler, if you dont like this photo you should be banned from the forums.



Feel free to copy/paste this post into any topic you please. Bioware has shown it has no problem with copy/pasting with the release of DA2.

Smooth move Bioware. Very well thought out and responsible of you.