I have to say, I was extremely impressed with how much the ending drew me in and made me really think about which side I was going to pick.
Throughout the game I played a mage Hawke and sided with the mages at every turn, I always stuck up for them and argued with Fenris and Carver, thinking that the Chantry wasn't treating them fairly. I got ready for the ending thinking I was easily going to side with the mages over the militaristic templars.
But then Anders came in and that all changed.
I got a front row seat to the destruction mages can cause when they aren't being kept in check. I was forced to think about what would happen if I still sided with the Mages over the Templars. True it was only one person and that you can't change an entire group by the actions of one, but when only one person can cause that much destruction, it made me think that while the templars do go further then they need to from time to time, especially with Meredith, there is some necessity in what they do.
In the end I had my view of mages and templars turned completely upside down and ended up joining the templars.
Did you start to rethink the role of mages and templars after witnessing the destruction Anders' caused?
The Ending's Moral Implications *SPOILERS*
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Z-Dragon
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 01:13
jacobdg
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Once My mother got killed by a mage is when I knew I was siding with Templars.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 01:22
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I was definitely having a crisis of faith. I've always been pro-mage. In the end my mage is an idealist. She doesn't want mages to be enslaved, so she took the opportunity to free them in spite of what Anders did. And yet, most of them turned to abominations in their desperation anyway, so it was all for nothing.
Honestly I wanted to pull my hair out. I don't think the templars were right. I don't think the mages were either. After the final battle I imagine my Hawke would've run off with Fenris to Fereldan and lived in a rural place akin to Lothering where she wouldn't have to get mixed up in this stuff ever again.
The point I think is that most of this would never have happened had the templars not been abusing the mages in the first place. They were backed into a corner and they reacted with violence. The Grand Cleric was right not to choose a side, because neither will end in peace or freedom. There needs to be a better way of dealing with mages, a middle ground.
Honestly I wanted to pull my hair out. I don't think the templars were right. I don't think the mages were either. After the final battle I imagine my Hawke would've run off with Fenris to Fereldan and lived in a rural place akin to Lothering where she wouldn't have to get mixed up in this stuff ever again.
The point I think is that most of this would never have happened had the templars not been abusing the mages in the first place. They were backed into a corner and they reacted with violence. The Grand Cleric was right not to choose a side, because neither will end in peace or freedom. There needs to be a better way of dealing with mages, a middle ground.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 04:24
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Engeneers and physics can create Nuclear Weapons. Do you want to confine all scientist and engeneers for that? What Anders did was horrible. (And he was my LOVER, goodness!), but it still does not make the oppression of the Templars right.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 06:39
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Yeah, it was an extraordinarily difficult decision for me. What the templars were doing to the mages was a travesty and their abuse of them forced their hand. But, mages wield a power that is immensely dangerous and needs to be kept in check, all the more because of the ability for them to get possessed.
Ultimately, I sided with the mages. Yes, my mother was killed by a man who was unspeakably insane after the death of his wife. Yes blood mages were everywhere and even some of the mages you helped escape from oppression wind up kidnapping your sister and turning on you. Yes, in their desperation the mages in the gallows wound up turning to blood magic anyway. But, allowing the oppression of mages by the templars to continue only would ensure that other rebellions would occur. After news spread of the incident in the Gallows it probably would've just incited rebellion from the other Circles anyway. Not only that; it probably would've made the templars feel even more justified in oppressing the mages and the vicious circle would've continued.
Anders literally and figuratively obliterated any chance for a middle path. Ultimately, he was more guilty than Meredith or Orsino, though I'm sure the corruption of Justice when the two of them merged had a lot to do with that.
It was an excellently crafted storyline that forces you to make tough, gray decisions, both which appear to have major consequences.
Ultimately, I sided with the mages. Yes, my mother was killed by a man who was unspeakably insane after the death of his wife. Yes blood mages were everywhere and even some of the mages you helped escape from oppression wind up kidnapping your sister and turning on you. Yes, in their desperation the mages in the gallows wound up turning to blood magic anyway. But, allowing the oppression of mages by the templars to continue only would ensure that other rebellions would occur. After news spread of the incident in the Gallows it probably would've just incited rebellion from the other Circles anyway. Not only that; it probably would've made the templars feel even more justified in oppressing the mages and the vicious circle would've continued.
Anders literally and figuratively obliterated any chance for a middle path. Ultimately, he was more guilty than Meredith or Orsino, though I'm sure the corruption of Justice when the two of them merged had a lot to do with that.
It was an excellently crafted storyline that forces you to make tough, gray decisions, both which appear to have major consequences.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 06:47
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It really knocked me on my butt when Anders blew the Chantry sky high. At first I was like "What the hell did you do that for!!" But I looked back on some of the conversations he had with Seb, and how he spoke of Templar's raping and beating the mages and he got lucky. Also all the **** mages went through in the game, I was all gun ho on killing me some Templar's.
The only thing that I really dis-liked was that in the first game, it doesn't seem so bad for mages, even doing the origin; but Anders made it seem like it was hell. Maybe the warden got lucky as well? Also all through the game they did say Fereldan mages had it best.
So, asuming mages were only getting this nightmare of treatment in Krikwall I wonder if Anders would have gone to such exterems like he did, say if he stayed in Fereldan. Also dispite what mages can do, anyone could do something just as destructive. I believe if they did have freedom, most would no longer feel the need to do the forbidden arts, or feel the sway of demons.
On on last note. My damn mage warden freed the mages...I like how that didn't matter!!! Things as a whole would have worked out differently!
The only thing that I really dis-liked was that in the first game, it doesn't seem so bad for mages, even doing the origin; but Anders made it seem like it was hell. Maybe the warden got lucky as well? Also all through the game they did say Fereldan mages had it best.
So, asuming mages were only getting this nightmare of treatment in Krikwall I wonder if Anders would have gone to such exterems like he did, say if he stayed in Fereldan. Also dispite what mages can do, anyone could do something just as destructive. I believe if they did have freedom, most would no longer feel the need to do the forbidden arts, or feel the sway of demons.
On on last note. My damn mage warden freed the mages...I like how that didn't matter!!! Things as a whole would have worked out differently!
