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[2late2die]

So I'm playing as a mage character and for the most part it seems that people treat me like I'm not. For one there's my brother, we were meeting a mage in some early quest and he went "Ugh, not another mage". I understand that the fact that he's my brother doesn't necessarily mean he loves mages but you don't just spout off stuff like that when your sister is a mage.
Worse yet was during the disappearing templars quest, when I caught up to the captain and the recruit outside the city. First off I totally expected the captain to think that I was conspiring with the suspicious recruit because I'm a "filthy mage" - but no, he seemed completely blasé about me. Then after the fight, my character said the following when I picked a "not all mages are bad" dialogue option - "I have some friends who are mages. Should I be always watching them".
WTF! She's a mage, it makes zero sense for her to say that, regardless of whether she's got mage friends or not! She should've been talking about herself and how she just saved his arse.

And these are just two examples, but it's like that throughout the entire game so far. I think the only time it was actually acknowledged that I'm a mage (outside the tutorial section) was when my brother was whining about the entire family being a family of mages, and even then that was a generic statement as oppose to something being targeted at me.

I understand that it's impossible to make every line of dialogue unique to each class, but I expected more from BioWare. I'm really disappointed. This, more than the magically appearing mobs, completely breaks my sense of immersion.

Oh and of course I should mention how I'm basically an apostate mage yet I'm running around town, going to the chantry, and talking to whole groups of templars and they don't even give me a second glance (I have a freaking staff with a huge skull on top of it, it's not like I'm disguised as a warrior or something).

Modifié par 2late2die, 13 mars 2011 - 01:29 .

[Reinara]

technically Hawke is supposed to be hiding the fact that he/she is a mage in the first two acts (or well, until the end of act 2 anyway), so personally I think it makes sense that she/he doesn't shout it to the world unless the option comes up.

[Cruel_Hymn]

Heh, most of the time I feel they see me like this, "Well at least your a good mage who kills other mages." Haha.

[Slunko]

Well what bothered me the most is that ure tryin to get into the deep roads in act1 to lay low from templars for a while, but ure constantly running around the city, throwing fireballs around and glowing like a damn xsmas tree, and noone seems to mind, so ye... why lay low when people are totaly blind.

[Halo Quea]

It's certainly a weird issue.

And it absolutely cannot be explained.

[MyKingdomCold]

well, I guess one way they could solve it would be by having Hawke kill everyone who had a problem with him/her being a mage. Then Kirkwall might be a little less populated.

[Casuist]

Act I: hiding or maintining a semi-resptectable state beneath the templar's notice. I agree the dialogue with Cullen is poorly handled, but Carver certainly WOULD make a comment like that with his mage sister - that's his personality. Meanwhile, a number of convos (in wayward son or act of mercy, for instance) make note of a mage Hawke.

In ActII, some dispensation from the viscount appears to be the best explanation of low-scrutiny. Kirkwall needs Hawke no matter what he/she is.

In ActIII, Meredith blatantly acknowledges Hawke is an apostate as a means of wringing cooperation from him/her.

[TheCreeper]

Well by the start of act 2 you are much too poltically important to be turned into the circle. I also like to imagine that if craver went to the templars his stories about you scare them so much they won't dare go after you.

[HolyJellyfish]

I played a mage that was an Apostate Hunter for the Templars.

I assumed I had gained their favor and they chose not to wrangle me in, because who better to hunt mages than another mage? As for a Pro-Mage Mage Hawke living in Kirkwall.... it seems that there are other Templars who are protecting mage rights and may feel that you are in their favor to the Underground cause, carefully 'hiding' your existence..

[Suron]

the fact you can run around Kirkwall casting spells anytime you get attacked and not have a single Templar turn your way is idiotic. It's ESPECIALLY stupid during the Arishok fight where a TON of citizens all SAW YOU casting spells...as did Templars..etc...and they don't even bat an eyelash at it.

honestly the option of even being a damn mage in DA2 makes no sense considering the story and what happens.

[TexasToast712]

Hence, why I think mages suck.

[Casuist]

Suron wrote...

the fact you can run around Kirkwall casting spells anytime you get attacked and not have a single Templar turn your way is idiotic. It's ESPECIALLY stupid during the Arishok fight where a TON of citizens all SAW YOU casting spells...as did Templars..etc...and they don't even bat an eyelash at it.

honestly the option of even being a damn mage in DA2 makes no sense considering the story and what happens.

Hmmmm.. do you think that it would be more realistic if the citizens of kirkwall turned you over to the templars and invited the Qunari back for tea? The powers that be are fully aware that Hake is an apostate. Taking action against Hawke would be irrevocably damaging to the city and its people (not to mention, very likely be as much a catalyst for chaos as Anders' actions). 

[Shadowrun1177]

Suron wrote...

the fact you can run around Kirkwall casting spells anytime you get attacked and not have a single Templar turn your way is idiotic. It's ESPECIALLY stupid during the Arishok fight where a TON of citizens all SAW YOU casting spells...as did Templars..etc...and they don't even bat an eyelash at it.

honestly the option of even being a damn mage in DA2 makes no sense considering the story and what happens.

Except Meredith does take note of you casting spells during the Demands of the Qun quest at the end of Act 2. She just can't touch you after the quest cause your the Champion of Kirkwall. Though things like Cullen and others not noticing do seem strange.

[AlexXIV]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Suron wrote...

the fact you can run around Kirkwall casting spells anytime you get attacked and not have a single Templar turn your way is idiotic. It's ESPECIALLY stupid during the Arishok fight where a TON of citizens all SAW YOU casting spells...as did Templars..etc...and they don't even bat an eyelash at it.

honestly the option of even being a damn mage in DA2 makes no sense considering the story and what happens.

Except Meredith does take note of you casting spells during the Demands of the Qun quest at the end of Act 2. She just can't touch you after the quest cause your the Champion of Kirkwall. Though things like Cullen and others not noticing do seem strange.

As a mage you always use magic in combat, so about hundrets of people should know. Only way the word doesn't spread is that hundret people are very secretive about it, which is as likely as the survival of a snowball in hell.

[Harcken]

Slunko wrote...

Well what bothered me the most is that ure tryin to get into the deep roads in act1 to lay low from templars for a while, but ure constantly running around the city, throwing fireballs around and glowing like a damn xsmas tree, and noone seems to mind, so ye... why lay low when people are totaly blind.

Bioware: "Based on fan feedback we have decided to delete the mage class sine it makes no sense, story wise."

I mean seriously, accept it as a gameplay thing, don't play the mage, or demand Bioware delete the class. They aren't going to change the entire game so it reacts perfectly with a single class.

[fluorine7]

I kind of understand on a logical level that my fem-mage Hawke is supposed to be hiding the fact that she's mage. But every time I end up talk to a Templar who's supposed to hunt mages, I just can't help thinking:"are you blind? didn't you see that huge creepy staff I've been carrying around the city?!"

Same questions pop up when I was playing Assassins Creed, Ezio wore the brotherhood logo on his belt, my home estate has that huge logo in the front yard.... I'm like.... Com'on!!! at least pretend it's a secret organization or something. 

But other than a few laugh, it doesn't bothers me all that much, and I certainly enjoy both games. 

Modifié par fluorine7, 18 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[DirewolfX]

I don't recall having to hide Morrigan from anyone in DA:O...

[Iecerint]

In Baldur's Gate 2 this was handled by bribing the magic enforcement agency to turn a blind eye. This might've explained away at least some of what happened. They're clever enough to have taken care of this.

[CRISIS1717]

Oh it gets better OP later on you can join up with templars lol.

[Icy Magebane]

Harcken wrote...

Slunko wrote...

Well what bothered me the most is that ure tryin to get into the deep roads in act1 to lay low from templars for a while, but ure constantly running around the city, throwing fireballs around and glowing like a damn xsmas tree, and noone seems to mind, so ye... why lay low when people are totaly blind.

Bioware: "Based on fan feedback we have decided to delete the mage class sine it makes no sense, story wise."

I mean seriously, accept it as a gameplay thing, don't play the mage, or demand Bioware delete the class. They aren't going to change the entire game so it reacts perfectly with a single class.

And this kind of thinking is why this game is merely good or average rather than great.  Lack of attention to detail, conflicts within the lore that they invented, and a general dismissal of depth in favor of shock value character deaths and blood explosions.  I don't think it's too much to ask that the player classes are consistent within the boundaries of the lore, and that the class you choose means more than simply what abilities you have (excepting of course, a few small mentions of Mage Hawke's familiarity with the Fade and conversations with companions).

Templars cage all mages like dogs in Kirkwall.  There is no reason for them to allow Hawke to roam free when he's fresh off the boat from Ferelden.  You use magic in Gallows courtyard as soon as you get there, and nobody tries to arrest you.

[DarthSliver]

I am a mage that supports templars, Trophies do motive you to do something that doesnt make sense lol. But yes, Templars are like whats more useful than a mage that hunts mages. She could totally pose for their cause than stab them in the back when they least expect it. Or when we use spells we secretly cause a spell of stupidty on them.
Than I am either going to replay the game as a warrior or get my DAO upload completed for the Hawke i am taking over to DA3 when its released.

[GammaRayJim]

I never liked playing mages myself and this makes me not want to play one here. But I want to see Carver and how he turns out if he lived. I played a warrior on my first run and thought it odd that no one ever questioned me about the mages that I ran around the city with. Especially after Bethany set this up in the Flight form Lothering saying that there were a ton of Templars in Kirkwall. I totally expected to have to confront people about the company I was keeping...not to have it totally ignored.

[mander83]

I just kind of assumed that my mage was hiding her mage-ness during the first act and part of the second. By the time Act III starts Meredith has acknowledged that fact that you're a mage but doesn't do anything because you're the Champion of Kirkwall.

I've had way more fun playing as a mage than I did as a rogue. I noticed several differences in dialogue between a rogue and a mage. It's true that in reality Hawke probably would have been caught sometime in Act I for using magic in the streets. Here's the thing though, this isn't reality. What kind of game would it be if Hawke is caught and put in the Circle? Not a very good one.

[Zalocx]

2late2die wrote...
Then after the fight, my character
said the following when I picked a "not all mages are bad" dialogue
option - "I have some friends who are mages. Should I be always watching
them".
WTF! She's a mage, it makes zero sense for her to say that,
regardless of whether she's got mage friends or not! She should've been
talking about herself and how she just saved his arse.

Yes. . . tell the mage hunter whose order yor family spent your entire life running from about how you are a rogue mage. . . .

[WhiteKnyght]

I think the Templars are too scared to try and apprehend Hawke. he/she is a literal killing machine and is famous with the populace.

They would lose a lot of men and gain a LOT of unpopularity if they went after Hawke.