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[Ascorius]

Ignore people saying its the worst game ever, also ignore people saying its the best game ever. I think most (most not everyone) will agree its a 6-8 (on a scale from 1-10), depending on their taste in games. 

Modifié par Ascorius, 13 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[Akka le Vil]

scq wrote...

Isn't the dumbed down argument the same thing that happened to Mass Effect 2? There are obviously still diehard fans of ME1 that hold the same opinion of ME2 being a stupid console port, but in general, I think most people (and I mean most as in most human beings who play games and not just diehard fans) think that the second game much benefited from the streamlining.

Yes, and I'm among them.
But I fail to see your point. It's not because game A was streamlined successfully that game B hasn't been dumbed down.
ME2 felt like a good action sci-fi movie, in a franchise that was BUILT AROUND this concept. It succeeded at being what it was.
DA2, on the contrary, feel like a dumbed-down serie that was set up in a "dark and gritty" setting and ended looking like "idiotic kung-fu parody for dummies".

It's not perfect, and there are many points from DA:O that shouldn't have been so quickly abandoned, but there's a lot of good and it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to dismiss it.

I'd rather say : there's a lot of good, and it's unfortunate that Bioware wasted it with a stupid design and a rush-job.
It's not the fault of the people that they don't appreciate it. It's the fault of Bioware that they messed up so much - and I can't give them a break about it, because so much of this mess up was STUPID to begin with ; it was not "good ideas badly done", it was "completely idiotic idea that I can't believe they went through".

[Cancermeat]

They should have just released it for the consoles and not called it dragon age 2 or maybe something like "dragon age journey" or "dragon age kirkwall"

Modifié par Cancermeat, 13 mars 2011 - 06:18 .

[JasonDaPsycho]

It's not bad. As a matter of fact, it's very solid. I guess people just couldn't get over the hype. I'd say it's an 8/10.
The reason the scores are "low" is simply because it's not particularly innovative.

Kind of like James Bond Bloodstone. Both solid games. Solid gameplay but not particularly creative.

[zyxe]

zx2781 wrote...

Taritu wrote...

It's a good game, it's just not bioware good.

Well said!

agreed. it's by far a decent game, though not quite worth the $60 i paid for it (if i had paid $30 i would feel pretty good, but i feel cheated having spent $60). i appreciate that they tried to make it a bit more action oriented, that makes it a little fresher, but they didn't do as good of a job as they did from ME1 to ME2 as far as making it action-y, so it kind of falls flat with all of the other flaws the game has. the main problem for me is that the game does not feel like DAII, just a standard RPG in some familiar universe, but it completely lacks any soul to me. i barely care about the characters like i did in the first one, and cliche or not, i like feeling important or like my decisions matter.

TLDR: it's a good game, it really is, but it's not worthy of the DA title as it lacks the soul of DAO. worth about $30 under a different title IMO. kind of like a mediocre TV spinoff of a great movie.

[Vajraja]

Akka le Vil wrote...

scq wrote...

Isn't the dumbed down argument the same thing that happened to Mass Effect 2? There are obviously still diehard fans of ME1 that hold the same opinion of ME2 being a stupid console port, but in general, I think most people (and I mean most as in most human beings who play games and not just diehard fans) think that the second game much benefited from the streamlining.

Yes, and I'm among them.
But I fail to see your point. It's not because game A was streamlined successfully that game B hasn't been dumbed down.
ME2 felt like a good action sci-fi movie, in a franchise that was BUILT AROUND this concept. It succeeded at being what it was.
DA2, on the contrary, feel like a dumbed-down serie that was set up in a "dark and gritty" setting and ended looking like "idiotic kung-fu parody for dummies".

It's not perfect, and there are many points from DA:O that shouldn't have been so quickly abandoned, but there's a lot of good and it's unfortunate that so many people are quick to dismiss it.

I'd rather say : there's a lot of good, and it's unfortunate that Bioware wasted it with a stupid design and a rush-job.
It's not the fault of the people that they don't appreciate it. It's the fault of Bioware that they messed up so much - and I can't give them a break about it, because so much of this mess up was STUPID to begin with ; it was not "good ideas badly done", it was "completely idiotic idea that I can't believe they went through".

Fully agree with you on ME2 and DA2.

I would have rather they took another year in the development cycle and just kept DA through to what it was originally supposed to be: a spiritual successor to BG and NWN, with Bioware's own intellectual property.

I loved ME1 and ME2 because they kept it true, IMO to what ME was about, a badass Sci Fi narrative

To be fair Dragon Age 2 isn't that bad. It's just not great which is what I usually accept from Bioware games. It'sbeen a long run but they have never disappointed me until this point. BG>BGII, NWN, KOTOR, ME, DAO, ME2. Better record than most companies

Modifié par Vajraja, 13 mars 2011 - 06:47 .

[novaseeker]

It's not a bad game by any means, but I find it much less engaging than DA:O. I find the companions much, much less interesting in general -- nothing here really of the interesting level of Morrigan or Ohgren, really, either in character or voice acting. It makes me care a lot less about the characters, which, in turn, makes the game less engaging in general.

It would have been fine, I guess, if this were the first installment of the series, but as a comparison to DA:O from my perspective it isn't nearly as engaging.

[Solitas777]

It's not a bad game. Actually the gameplay and graphics are far superior than the first DAO. The story is a disjointed mess, and it lacks the gravity and dramatic implementation of DAO. I had the same criticism with Mass Effect 2, so maybe bioware just can't do story sequels well.

DAO isn't a better looking game by any means, but its environments gave it more variety, which helps give it a higher replay value for me. I guess Bioware has spoiled me with such dramatic and engrossing games (story wise) like KOTOR, Mass Effect, and DAO that I was expecting something equal to the WOW factor I felt in all these games. Mass Effect 2 and DA2 have eaten up my goodwill towards preordering bioware products. Now I'm waiting for the reviews of bioware games and if the story doesn't get a 9....then I'll wait for the price drop.

[elarrastre]

its ****

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

It's not a terrible game, it is just like a college student who forgot to declare a major in the senior year. It left the impression on me that it doesn't know what it wants to be when it grows up but...whoops, the time is here and now, doh!

If the OP didn't play much of the first game and isn't much of a RPG fan with more classical sensibilities, then you could like it.

I'm not trying to make you get it or make you not buy it, do a little research, watch some Youtube videos and make your own decision.

[RogueBot]

I really enjoyed it.

What I liked: The story felt more natural and less cliche than Origins and the cast of characters was far more interesting (minus Alistair, whose epicness might never be matched). As someone who prefers a gamepad over a mouse and keyboard, I liked the changes to combat, as well. (I have a gaming PC, but opted to get the 360 version due to the lack of gamepad support.)

What I disliked: I agree that the environments weren't nearly varied enough. Considering that the game takes place almost entirely in one city, they really should have done more here. There were too many reused maps and Kirkwall could use some more flair. In addition, there were a few noticeable glitches (such as one of Merrill's conversation quests being out of order), but nothing game-breaking.

[Aravius]

Ascorius wrote...

Ignore people saying its the worst game ever, also ignore people saying its the best game ever. I think most (most not everyone) will agree its a 6-8 (on a scale from 1-10), depending on their taste in games. 

I love being told what to say by people. If I said it was a 9/10 then I don't fit into your neet little world.

I really enjoyed the game. Limited areas to explore, reuses of explored areas, etc etc etc.

This is not a sequal to DA:O, it is a different story all together. I played the game knowing that already. To me one could argue that it took from DA:O, Awakenings, and ME2. I'm going to give it that 9/10 just so you can shoot me down Asscorius.

[DragonRageGT]

Well, I'm enjoying the game very much even with much deserved restrictions about some of the changes made and lack of polishing. I've paid for much worse games in the past and I'm actually glad I paid for this one.

I am sure that if they have had the proper time to develop the game, many of what I call unpolished/generic/etc would have received the proper attention.

And if they can re-use some of the Origins soundtrack in DA2, they certainly should have re-used the darkspawn and "elvhen" design. I can't stop laughing every time I see an Ogre/Hurlock or I look at those elves noses/forehead (Avatar natives only not blue!) and eyes' iris. They are ridiculous!

[Obadiah]

I'm not sure the changes were for the console crowd. I'm playing DA:O on a PS3 and it is perfectly playable and loads of fun. I like the DA:O gameplay more than the DA2 demo gameplay. Really wish Bioware would release the console interface for the PC.

I think they just streamlined the interface/game to appeal to a different kind of gamer.

[Matchy Pointy]

Well, being about 7-8 hours in, so far, I love it.

[Taura-Tierno]

Athro wrote...


DA2 is more like a literary fantasy - it focuses on one city, one family and the people around them and how they become part of a growing conflict within the city.

For the most part, this is done really well and the game isn't about exploration and levelling up - it's really about developing relationships, immersing yourself in the Dragon Age mythos and picking a side.

The combat is frentic, and at lower difficulties it's more a pacing mechanism to break up the storyline. At higher difficulty, you cannot beat the game without thinking tactically.

For me, the roleplaying aspect is one of the best I have ever come across. As you play, your dialogue choices define Hawke - and he begins to default to the personality that you set for him - so in moments where he needs to say something but doesn't necessarily need you to make a decision - he will respond based on the personality you have allotted him. This is kind of difficult to explain rather than show - but it means that in different playthroughs scenes can play out very differently based on Hawke's defined personality.

This also stretches to his allies - they are not passive dolls you follow you around and let you do all the talking. Depending on who you bring with you, they can sometimes interrupt conversations and open up new plot paths for you. (For example, one ally ended up being fluent in Qunari and thus helped me out when dealing with one of them completely without requiring my asking them to.)

I totally agree! I'm enjoying the companion interactions and relationship a lot more here than in Origins, simply because they feel more real here. Maybe it's because it takes place over an extended period or time, or because the companions seem to have lives outside of Hawke's ... or a mix of them, but the companions definitely feel more distinct and real. 

[elarrastre]

i mean come on it is a great innovation for the saga,it is wonderful for me a 9.5 is ok,of course that point will be changed to 10 with the next dlcs

[yoda23]

No DA2 is not nearly as bad as these forums are making out to be. However I also don't think consumer expectations were sufficiently set on the Bio-EA side of things either. (It would be interesting to know at this point the overlap of ME2 to DA:O player populations.) I don't think expectations were sufficiently set because the demo, imo, did not adequately reflect the experience of the full-game. If you only played the demo then I think you would get the wrong impression of what the changes to the game were all about. In addition, I think more NPC customization is forthcoming because of some of the unused gui elements that are present in the interface but not currently selectable. So, it seems to me the DLC model will be much more prolific in this installment of DA than it was in DA:O

[Seival]

Dragon Age 2 is exellent game. Not perfect, not equal or better then Mass Effect 2, but still exellent.

Most of "negative reviews" here are just trolling, nothing more.

Modifié par Seival, 14 mars 2011 - 08:18 .

[Solitas777]

Seival wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is exellent game. Not perfect, not equal or better then Mass Effect 2, but still exellent.

Most of "negative reviews" here are just trolling, nothing more.

That's not fair. Many game reviewews gave the game a 7-9 rating (a few at 6 and 10). Negative reviews aren't trolling, they just might not like the game. It's not a bad game by any stretch of the imagination. I've just seen better and more dramatic stories from bioware. Gameplay and graphics have improved from DAO but story quality, music soundtrack, and enviromental variety have declined.

[Baerschke]

It is the first time that I regret to have purchased a Bioware game at full price. Who buys this game in a year for half price, certainly makes no mistake. It's not really bad, but it is not on the same level like Origins.

It's a shame that EA has brought Bioware to such a hasty release. I hope Mass Effect 3 will not be so hasty.

One can not say for sure that there is nothing good about this game: Although many complain, I like the graphics (DX11), but I also liked the graphics of DA: Origins. It must be fit the world of the game, catch the atmosphere. I do not need photo-realism and best possible graphics like others. The idea to tell the story as a reminder is something beautiful.

But the negatives outweigh unfortunately: Armorchange only for the mainchar, the absence of skills, potions tinker only at stations. All communication with the group members. The recycling of the places and the far too short time in wich to play. The story is unfortunately not nearly as compelling as in Origins. In Origins I had a great mission, I felt a “connection”. In Dragon Age 2, I'm running from A to B, from B to A and from there again to B.

After Origins I was expecting a classic RPG with profound story. At Mass Effect 2, I am accustomed to more action, but the story saved the game. Thats on Dragon Age 2 unfortunately not the case.

Good people from Bioware: Get it better next time! One misstep can I forgive you, but it should not be repeated. A good game can last quiet a little longer until it's out. Until then I play the really good games from Bioware: Dragon Age: Origins, Baldur's Gate and the unforgettable Knights of the Old Republic!
Do not get me wrong, Dragon Age 2 is good mediocrity, but unfortunately not upper class, such as Origins.
(Sorry for my bad English, it’s a mix from the google translator and me)

[Epic Legion]

DA2 is a very good game (few cons like bugs & copypaste locations).

Don't listen to haters.

[Epic Legion]

Wrong topic. Remove this post.

Modifié par Epic Legion, 14 mars 2011 - 09:31 .