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[BlameBot]

It's not bad, it's just average. And that's actually worse, in my opinion. Bioware is known for quality games. The game is okay, but it has a lot of problems that could have easily been solved with a little time and effort.

[Kendaric Varkellen]

mr_nameless wrote...

Yes its a bad RPG.
However DA2 is a pretty good cinematic action game with some RPG elements.

This sums it up pretty good I'd say.

Personally, unlike many others, I liked the story and hated the gameplay mechanics. RPG elements got streamlined out of the game and it's extremely focused on combat, combat and even more combat.

I'd suggest to try out the demo though.

[quentilage]

I like the game a lot , BUT way too short , too cramped ie reuse of same zones etc ) cant believe people saying the new chars aren't interesting , merrith is so great a character nearly as good a character as morrigan , and a lot less annoying than alistair was ( though Anders was the worst, if i hadn't needed a healer he would have been pushing up the daises at the end ) , ( guess part of the problem was in DA2 there was way less in group conversations as u had in camp sites in DAo)

Also suspect i'll never replay it, just get download/expansions for it and HOPE DA3 takes best of dao and da2 , and not the worst bits of either:)

Think the biggest diff in feeling between dao and da2 was at end of dao i felt my char had actually achieved something, which at the end of da2 i didnt feel ( Though i did enjoy the end fight a lot)

[Arrun]

Modifié par Arrun, 22 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[kreite]

No, some people are just annoyingly sensitive.

[Arrun]

quentilage wrote...

I like the game a lot , BUT way too short , too cramped ie reuse of same zones etc ) cant believe people saying the new chars aren't interesting , merrith is so great a character nearly as good a character as morrigan , and a lot less annoying than alistair was ( though Anders was the worst, if i hadn't needed a healer he would have been pushing up the daises at the end ) , ( guess part of the problem was in DA2 there was way less in group conversations as u had in camp sites in DAo)

Also suspect i'll never replay it, just get download/expansions for it and HOPE DA3 takes best of dao and da2 , and not the worst bits of either:)

Think the biggest diff in feeling between dao and da2 was at end of dao i felt my char had actually achieved something, which at the end of da2 i didnt feel ( Though i did enjoy the end fight a lot)

i know EXACTLY what you mean. At the end of Origins, your hailed as a hero, you get an epilogue etc etc. You defeated the blight and the first time i saw the cinematic of the death blow on the archdemon it felt awesome...

DA2 ending = Then everyone parted company and no one knew where Hawke went ... nvm, move along people.

[Deified Data]

yesikareyes wrote...

I've read most of the reviews here in the forum and I know that there were some things left undeveloped by Bioware but I actually enjoyed the game. I was attached to my companions such as Bethany, Aveline and Sebastian. I really liked the story and most of the improvements made to the game.

I never played origins because I found it hard to play it in the console version but in DA 2 the combat was faster and it was simplified. It did not feel like a total loss to me that you could only be human but if there was a sequel I wouldn't have anything against having other races but hopefully Bioware makes them have equal opputunities to weave their own story but with extremely unique playthroughs for players (and not just some differences in dialogue).

I do hope that they make a sequel to DA 2 despite the negative feedback. Maybe they could keep the premise of DA 2 but improve on the technical stuff fans are crtical on. 

Factoid: The only people posting on a game's official forum so shortly and heavily after release are those who are displeased with it - those who enjoy it, who consider it a great game all-around, were too busy playing it to worry about posting their thoughts. Spoilers were also an issue.

As time rolls on and more people wrap the game up, I'm confident we'll see a more rational side of the fanbse emerge.

[stoicsentry2]

This may be the most non-replayable RPG in modern history. I have no desire to sit through that crappy excuse of a "story" a first time, let alone a second one. Also, besides being a different class, there's nothing remotely interesting enough to justify another playthrough. It was definitely a huge disappointment, because it's all fluff. Not worth anywhere near $60. Worth $25 maybe, but I have played richer, deeper games for less than that!

[TJSolo]

It was pretty bad by my standards for a RPG, if it was not labeled Dragon Age 2 I would not have bought it.

Modifié par TJSolo, 22 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[jds1bio]

I haven't minded the environment re-use because I've been too busy in combat. It's a bit strange when you notice it, but I guess I don't have as short of a fuse as some people, so it doesn't make me feel angry or betrayed.

This game gets butt-kicking on hard difficulty at certain points, whereas Casual difficulty makes you look like a sushi chef. If you want a challenge, this game has it. Also, the talent layout and screen is much better in DA2, and the quests are much less fetchy than in DA:O.

I'm about 30 hours in - I actually listen to conversations, shop at the stores (haven't used DLC items though), read codexes, and with two grating exceptions, repeat battles on hard difficulty until I can win them. I'm enjoying it greatly, especially since the game just dropped a bomb on me. Not that they didn't foreshadow certain things, but without spoilers let me just say that instead of threatening to go somewhere with a story, they actually go there.

[Arrun]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

This may be the most non-replayable RPG in modern history. I have no desire to sit through that crappy excuse of a "story" a first time, let alone a second one. Also, besides being a different class, there's nothing remotely interesting enough to justify another playthrough. It was definitely a huge disappointment, because it's all fluff. Not worth anywhere near $60. Worth $25 maybe, but I have played richer, deeper games for less than that!

dear lord .... replaying it would mean needing to do 20+ more runs of the mansion dungeon, 50+ more runs of the darktown dungeon, 10+ deeproads-ruins dungeon, 5+ demonic underground tomb dungeon ... 

 
on a positive note though Bioware, the deep roads was fantastic imo. Looked stunning (loved the lyrium veins snaking through the walls etc) and felt properly dwarven. Though The Dead Trenches will still be my favoruite zone in the deep roads simply because it was so creepy ... first the encounter with the archdemon, then the infested city of bownammer, then the ear-splittingly loud traps, then the *shiver* hespith chanting ... then the broodmother. That place was gold. 

Modifié par Arrun, 22 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[Dazanos]

They should of named the game. Dragon age ==Gang wars==. Not dragon age 2...

[PaulSX]

the major flaws of the game are extremely poor level designs. if BG2 has that many recycled dungeons, it will be the most let-down sequel ever

[Kane-Corr]

I guess people just don't play for the story and characters anymore... it's sad, really.

[Uoman]

I started a second play through after beating it, and I completely agree... there is no replay value at all. I've been attempting to make the polar opposite decisions at every opportunity from my first play-through and it rarely has any actual effect. There have been a couple of times where my dialogue choices seemed to make a huge difference, just for the npcs to react the same in the end. At times, my replay experience has truly felt like torture.

The more I play it, the less I like it. That upsets me to say, as I did love DA:O. This is one of two rpgs I've actually straight up disliked, ever. The other being FF XIII, which I haven't even been able to force myself to finish yet. At least I was able to force myself to finish DA2.

I could easily write a ten page essay about all the things I disliked about DA2, so I figure I'll try to list those things I actually liked.

Some of the characters were brilliant at times, but this version of Anders left a foul taste in my mouth.
In a way I loved the ending, but I strongly dislike the idea of possibly (and hopefully) having to wait years for a sequel.
There were a couple of battles in particular that the battle system really seemed to shine. (outside of those encounters it was a huge fail for me.)
The graphics were greatly improved. (Now, I couldn't careless about that really. If a game has solid game play and good story I'd end up playing it endlessly even if it used stick figures. Or at least non-stop until a new title I'm really interested in were to be released.)

After my first play-through I may have given it a 5, but I'm really not feeling as generous after attempting to replay it. I'd give it a 4/10 now with a replay value of around a 1 or 2. Some of it has to do with my expectations and the surrounding hype, I'll admit, but not that much.

Even as an independent game rather than a sequel, my rating would only marginally go up. I'm a hardcore gamer and I'll play the life out of almost anything, but this games going to be collecting a lot of dust.

People can say those that don't like it are trolling, but in all honesty I really want to like this game, even a little. I just can't. No matter how hard I try. For me, the good is just so buried by the bad it's become hard to list anything about the game I do appreciate. Gawd I wanted to like DA2 *sigh* I can't say that enough.

[Eledran]

No it isn't.

I recommend destructoids review here. DA2 packs less value than DAO and they went too far in some places, but it is a very enjoyable game.

[benbah]

The re-hashed environments are just pure lazy. You shouldn't get bored of the scenery on the first playthrough, but after going through 23421342 dungeons that look the same, only with an unexplained concrete wall blocking a doorway that was open in other, different dungeons, just makes me view quests as a chore.

Honestly I'm really quite appalled at the recycled environments. Bioware should be ashamed of themselves in that respect.

Other than that the game was is 7/10 for me so far.

[Lord Coake]

Yes, it is that bad. In fact, I'd flat out call DA2 utter garbage. It's a no-brain action game on rails that requires no forethought, no planning, no finesse and no patience. It's meant to cater to the bottom of the barrel lowest common denominator of the console market. The players that thought Fable 2 was too cerebral, DA:O was college grade match, and consider Gears of War to be the height of theatrical writing.

DA2 is mass produced swill that Bioware should be ashamed to even be associated with. One can't even call it half assed, because were it even that, it might have some redeeming value.

It has no replay value, no depth, no freedom, stupidly limited options and ludicrously limited content for what was put in the game. It is an RPG in only the basest, most simple and soft-brained manner possible. It's Gears of War with swords and a XP mechanic thrown in, because obviously getting headshots with a sniper rifle to rack up points to buy a different sniper rifle is the mark of someone who's really into actual RPG's.

If I want to read a short, thoughtless and linear story about one super badass and his/her harem taking over the world with the powers of magic and darkness I can go read some Final Fantasy 7 fanfiction.

[b0ksah]

Some things are good and some are bad ...
Most are good ...

This game is still way over average... sadly many things seems rushed ... the re-use of levels or more so the mini-map did really bug me. First time I encountered a locked/blocked doorway I was "What the hell ... are there some secret to opening this door .. I can see on the mini-map there's a room on the other side"

[Moroseth]

I disliked the game at first, mainly for its over the top flashy combat. But after I gave it a chance and played it as a more action orientated game than a full-on RPG, I really enjoyed it.

The story was solid, the characters were good and overall I had fun.

Modifié par Moroseth, 23 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[Arrun]

Uoman wrote...

I started a second play through after beating it, and I completely agree... there is no replay value at all. I've been attempting to make the polar opposite decisions at every opportunity from my first play-through and it rarely has any actual effect. There have been a couple of times where my dialogue choices seemed to make a huge difference, just for the npcs to react the same in the end. At times, my replay experience has truly felt like torture.

The more I play it, the less I like it. That upsets me to say, as I did love DA:O. This is one of two rpgs I've actually straight up disliked, ever. The other being FF XIII, which I haven't even been able to force myself to finish yet. At least I was able to force myself to finish DA2.

I could easily write a ten page essay about all the things I disliked about DA2, so I figure I'll try to list those things I actually liked.

Some of the characters were brilliant at times, but this version of Anders left a foul taste in my mouth.
In a way I loved the ending, but I strongly dislike the idea of possibly (and hopefully) having to wait years for a sequel.
There were a couple of battles in particular that the battle system really seemed to shine. (outside of those encounters it was a huge fail for me.)
The graphics were greatly improved. (Now, I couldn't careless about that really. If a game has solid game play and good story I'd end up playing it endlessly even if it used stick figures. Or at least non-stop until a new title I'm really interested in were to be released.)

After my first play-through I may have given it a 5, but I'm really not feeling as generous after attempting to replay it. I'd give it a 4/10 now with a replay value of around a 1 or 2. Some of it has to do with my expectations and the surrounding hype, I'll admit, but not that much.

Even as an independent game rather than a sequel, my rating would only marginally go up. I'm a hardcore gamer and I'll play the life out of almost anything, but this games going to be collecting a lot of dust.

People can say those that don't like it are trolling, but in all honesty I really want to like this game, even a little. I just can't. No matter how hard I try. For me, the good is just so buried by the bad it's become hard to list anything about the game I do appreciate. Gawd I wanted to like DA2 *sigh* I can't say that enough.

Couldn't agree more with this comment. I desperately wanted to like this game. DESPERATELY. Sadly it simply turned out to be overhyped garbage with lazy design. I liked the new crafting system and the new animations and the fact that you dont feel 30 stone when you run in combat, but overrall just a massively overhyped piece of garbage. 

Moroseth wrote...
the story was solid

WHAT STORY?

Modifié par Arrun, 23 mars 2011 - 08:38 .

[Bamul1]

The question of the topic: "Is Dragon Age 2 that bad?"
My answer: No.

In the end, it really depends on what you like, as it all comes down to opinion and preference. Sure, Dragon Age 2 is simpler and shorter than Origins and that is a fact. However Dragon Age 2 has also improved various elements of the series, and that, is also a fact.

[Boiny Bunny]

Deified Data wrote...

yesikareyes wrote...

I've read most of the reviews here in the forum and I know that there were some things left undeveloped by Bioware but I actually enjoyed the game. I was attached to my companions such as Bethany, Aveline and Sebastian. I really liked the story and most of the improvements made to the game.

I never played origins because I found it hard to play it in the console version but in DA 2 the combat was faster and it was simplified. It did not feel like a total loss to me that you could only be human but if there was a sequel I wouldn't have anything against having other races but hopefully Bioware makes them have equal opputunities to weave their own story but with extremely unique playthroughs for players (and not just some differences in dialogue).

I do hope that they make a sequel to DA 2 despite the negative feedback. Maybe they could keep the premise of DA 2 but improve on the technical stuff fans are crtical on. 

Factoid: The only people posting on a game's official forum so shortly and heavily after release are those who are displeased with it - those who enjoy it, who consider it a great game all-around, were too busy playing it to worry about posting their thoughts. Spoilers were also an issue.

As time rolls on and more people wrap the game up, I'm confident we'll see a more rational side of the fanbse emerge.

Absolute garbage.  The only people posting on a forum after launch are...the only people who ever post on forums...the same people who always post on forums...

When you don't like a game, if you're a forum user, you log on and complain.  If you love the game, if you're a forum user, you get on and either discuss some aspect of the game, or rabidly defend the game from people who are dissapointed.

Factoid: The people who do not post on forums - do not post on forums - regardless of whether they like the game or not.  Those that do post on forums, will post, regardless of whether they like the game or not.

As time rolls on, there will be no change whatsoever in the proportions of the fanbase who dislike this game.

I understand that you probably like DA2, and because of that, you actually cannot handle the idea that many others around you do not like DA2, but please, don't make up magical fantasies in which the whole world loves DA2 but is just magically silent because they are far too busy enjoying the game.

When Origins came out, the boards were immediately mostly flooded with praise and discussions about game details (strategy, plot questions, etc.)  Same for ME, and ME2.  Sure there were people who were dissapointed as well (that Origins was not BG3, that ME2 was not ME1.5, etc.), but never anywhere near this level.

[Gravias]

Dragon Age 2 wouldn't have been a bad game as a stand-alone hack'n slash with RPG elements.
But I think that as the successor of a game like Dragon Age: Origins and as an RPG however it is an utter disappointment.
In the end it all depends on how you look at it, I think.
Judge it alone: it evens out as above average to good depending on your preferences.
Judge it as part of its series: it settles at below average and for some even dives into subzero zones. I am praying that they learn from this for the third game but I have learned from this and will rent first before I buy.

[DragonRageGT]

yesikareyes wrote...
I never played origins because I found it hard to play it in the console version but in DA 2 the combat was faster and it was simplified.

Find a way to play Origins, preferably in a PC, and then you'll be able to answer your own question. For me, DA2 is not "that" bad but Origins is so much better that disappointment is what's left after such high expectation I created myself. Shame on me for creating expectations!

Modifié par RageGT, 09 avril 2011 - 04:04 .