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[Kelston]

Bioware characters are deep thats why every character in every BioWare RPG starting from Mass Effect 2 results in only two possible outcomes: have sex or don't have sex.

If you have basic human empathy and decide to be nice to someone in your party, this means you want to have sex with him/her.

This is what you consider deep characters?

What if I just wanted to be nice to Anders? What if I just wanted to help Jack through her problems?

[Whitering]

I have yet to deride anyone who actually likes this game, but you seem bemused by the fact many people don't like it, which is all, of course, opinion. So, you don't like other people's opinions, but they really shouldn't affect you at all.

[JesseAulsebrook]

Heebejeebes wrote...

I said what I said. I may have broken the rules of the forums but I felt someone needed to stand up for Bioware in a manner that would gain attention

Yep you are a real hero! *claps*

[Lotto]

wanna sum that up in less than 1000 words?

[jackygates]

"Oblivfail"?? wait just a min you are dissin Oblivion How dare you!! I think Bio works hard on their games yes I do feel that DA2 was rushed a bit but that doesn't make it a bad game I just hope ME3 will show everyone that Bio is here to stay plus I want to save the galaxy from the evil with my Fem shep I do feel your pain and reason to be voical but calling people names and stuff its sinking down to a flamer level

[Sylvius the Mad]

Twitch combat is antithetical to roleplaying by your own standard. If RPGs are about playing a character, why should that character's skills determine his combat performance?

So far I find DA2's combat to be unpleasantly fast, but I suspect I'll get used to it.

But back to playing a character, I find two significant barriers to doing exactly that. First, the paraphrase system hides my character's behaviour from me, so I can't know what it is I'm choosing, or even what my options are. And second, the design of the world is so nonsensical (why do Hawke and his companions do so much more damage than everything else in the world, and why is everything else is the world so much more durable than Hawke and his companions?) that simply staying in character is extremely difficult.

[The Nur]

Here, have a cookie.

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

Heebejeebes wrote...

I said what I said. I may have broken the rules of the forums but I felt someone needed to stand up for Bioware in a manner that would gain attention

Well, you're right.  Acting like a giant ambulatory rectum will definitely gain attention.

Only part of your rant that jumped out was comparing this to a Bethesda game.  No, junior, just no.  I've got every Bioware game ever made; have played and replayed them.  I love them.  They tell a better story than Bethesda, true, but nobody comes anywhere close to Bethesda in creating a wide open world with tons of possibilities and things to do.  Overall in quality of experience, Bioware games are more fun and the characters and writing really shine.  But Bethesda owns the wide open world.  You want to protect Bioware, go ahead but the stupidity of your Bethesda comparison almost destroyed your credibility before you got started.  The insults pretty much took care of the rest.  For the most part, your post was a waste of time.  Enjoy the game and let people come to their own conclusions.  They'll like it or they won't.

[The Nur]

Here, have a cookie.

[XxCrashdownxX]

Manners and maturity would have stopped me laughing and got me reading.I hate to do this but....You are now breathing manually.

[CrashB111]

I enjoy DA2 and DA:O, but I really dont want to read that Wall O' Text.

[XxCrashdownxX]

Manners and maturity are important when trying to get a point across.

I hate to do this but...You are now breathing manually...

[steelfire_dragon]

Not helping Heebejeebes, its just more fuel to the fire

[moonandserpent]

I'm not down with the OP's style but DA2 is the best RPG I've ever played. The smartest, cleverest deepest RPG experience I've ever had the pleasure of encountering. Fast, complex, shifting combat, a storyline that is more Song of Ice and Fire than Lord of the Rings, and companions whom I truly liked and whose interactions were crazy complex. Far better equipment management, far better crafting - nice iconic armors for everyone. [Cynical side on: I imagine the other side of the not-changing-the-companion-armor-thing is the fact ME2's armour packs seem to have sold well.]

When DA:O was being pitched about and hyped, there was a lot of talk about it being in a world of grey areas and Game of Thrones was referenced a lot. What we got was a (really, really good) pretty standard RPG with good political underpinnings, but with a few exceptions it was still the story of the Chosen One and his Adventuring Party going out and fighting the Bad Guy to Save the World. There were some really nice moments of moral ambiguity but on the whole it didn't deliver on the hype at all. (And I liked DA:O a great deal and it was at times moving.)

Despite some flaws (damn repeating rooms) DA2 is the game that the setting deserves. A game where the people feel real and the plot isn't the usual "gather the adventurers and go stab the big bad" plot. That plot can be a lot fun, but RPGs can be so much more - or at least tell other stories. DA2 is a ****ing phenomenal game and a lot of the vitriol on the net about it boggles the mind. (Especially when its clear that they're still reviewing the demo.) Like FALLOUT 1&2 and TORMENT and some of the ULTIMAs its a game about people and hard choices and how there almost never is a perfect solution.

I hope that once the fanboy rage settles (on all sides) that DA2 will get some credit for the amazing game it is - because it would break my heart to see Bioware backpedal on the advances in RPG storytelling they made. The medium as a whole would be lessened by it.

[bussinrounds]

OP- Guess what ****** ? This isn't the real world.

[moonandserpent]

 I'm not down with the OP's style but DA2 is the best RPG I've ever played.  The smartest, cleverest deepest RPG experience I've ever had the pleasure of encountering.  Fast, complex, shifting combat, a storyline that is more Song of Ice and Fire than Lord of the Rings, and companions whom I truly liked and whose interactions were crazy complex.  Far better equipment management, far better crafting - nice iconic armors for everyone.  [Cynical side on:  I imagine the other side of the not-changing-the-companion-armor-thing is the fact ME2's armour packs seem to have sold well.]
When DA:O was being pitched about and hyped, there was a lot of talk about it being in a world of grey areas and Game of Thrones was referenced a lot.  What we got was a (really, really good) pretty standard RPG with good political underpinnings, but with a few exceptions it was still the story of the Chosen One and his Adventuring Party going out and fighting the Bad Guy to Save the World.   There were some really nice moments of moral ambiguity but on the whole it didn't deliver on the hype at all.  (And I liked DA:O a great deal and it was at times moving.)
Despite some flaws (damn repeating rooms) DA2 is the game that the setting deserves.  A game where the people feel real and the plot isn't the usual "gather the adventurers and go stab the big bad" plot.  That plot can be a lot fun, but RPGs can be so much more - or at least tell other stories.  DA2 is a ****ing phenomenal game and a lot of the vitriol on the net about it boggles the mind.  (Especially when its clear that they're still reviewing the demo.)   Like FALLOUT 1&2 and TORMENT and some of the ULTIMAs its a game about people and hard choices and how there almost never is a perfect solution.  
I hope that once the fanboy rage settles (on all sides) that DA2 will get some credit for the amazing game it is - because it would break my heart to see Bioware backpedal on the advances in RPG storytelling they made.  The medium as a whole would be lessened by it. 

[azrogue]

I love Bioware, but the OP is just wrong, and knows it, too, so feels the need to act rude since he's angry that he's wrong.

I wish it wasn't so, but DA2 is just not as good as DA:O, or as good as it should have been. It wasn't polished enough and some of the changes were needless and fixed things that were not broken. There's no need to go into it, really, since I'm sure Bioware and the community, by this time, knows where the game fell short.

[Shadowcrazy4]

lololol insulting people and expecting results....**** you hilurrrious

[TheMadCat]

Heebejeebes wrote...

I said what I said. I may have broken the rules of the forums but I felt someone needed to stand up for Bioware in a manner that would gain attention

But all you really accomplished there is make BioWare fans seem like bitter little :wub:holes because some people are moaning and whining about the game. BioWare is a company made up of big boys and girls, they don't need some random, irrelevant little forum goer "standing up" for them.

[nisallik]

I don't agree how you are trying to put your point across. Leave that type of talk to the complainers. This game is a huge upgrade over the original DAO, I can't see what the problem is with this game. The only fault I see is recycled levels, but that is the only problem.

I'm just nearing I believe the end of Act 2.... 40 hours on the clock so far.

-- Playing on Nightmare, the game is a lot harder and needs more strategy than DAO.
-- More talent customizations, I no longer just stick all my points in a linear rectangle of talents. To be effective I have to pick and grab talents from several trees.
-- I love the changes to Attributes, especially for Rogues.
-- Companions are great! They all have meaningful quests and loving the banter. It's true that you can't just spam conversations with them at a base camp... but you get a plenty of dialogue throughout the game I have seen that is meaningful and humorous.
-- Combat animations look really nice between all the classes.
-- All the sidequests! Woo!
-- It feels good not saving the world and still having a great story!
-- This game looks fantastic using Very High/DirectX 11 stuff. ;p

[Hylan Dronta]

I agree that DA2 is a high quality game. And, I am a bioware fan, as I have bought every game they've published. However, insulting Oblivion, as well as its developer, and those of us who loved their games (yes, they are my 2nd favorite dev studio at the moment), your post loses any shred of credibility with me.

And yes, the people who are in favor of the game are far less vocal than those that hate it. Mainly because most of the people loving the game are too busy playing it to post. I appreciate the fact that you like the game. I, however, do not want to be lumped into a catagory of people that think that every decision BW makes is solid gold and they can't make errors. I rated the game a 91% (read my review on the review thread). Obviously I liked the game a lot, but that doesn't mean that I don't respect the people that didn't, or I can't see their reasoning. However, you just want to disregard every opinion that even slightly disagrees with yours by labling them as "tards" or other such. You, sir, need some lessons in how to debate. Alienating your audience before you begin is not a good start.

[asaiasai]

Heebejeebes wrote...

I said what I said. I may have broken the rules of the forums but I felt someone needed to stand up for Bioware in a manner that would gain attention

AHHH another self appointed squad leader let me tell you a story.....


The flag fondlers and bell ringers are pedaling the notion that in order for (insert country, organization or other such nonsense here) to be strong we all must march in close and obedient ranks to their tin whistles.
I believe in the other vitality. The rancorous and sardonic right to resist, to object, to raise hell, and in the direst of extremity to laugh in the faces of the self-appointed squad leaders.
Suppress friction and a machine runs well, suppress friction and a society runs down.
 
So OP you feel the need to come riding in and save Bioware from the unwashed and unruly masses who are voicing an opinion contrary to the one you have. Dismissing and in some cases de humanizing the opposition in an attempt to foist your opinion in what could be considered a fascist tirade, let me borrow a joke here pal, “ I preferred the tirade in its original German”, the German had a certain panache that you lack. Your post had no more substance than the original, not that the original tirades had any more substance either, just a better cadence.

Asai

[LilBudyWizer]

It's like you discovered salt and are predicting the future will be salted foods. Yeah, and sugar will be popular too. You're a few thousand years late though and some food still have salt in it.

[erock75]

I back the OP 100% - very well put! Thank you for the first rational post I've read in weeks!!

[Godeshus]

Heebejeebes wrote...


I know im getting flamed by all the cry baby gamer emos out there for posting this. I am hoping people who hate all this ****ing about an amazing game will back me up.


I have no inkling of understanding about how anyone can trash this game. I haven't finished it yet but what I have played so far has restored my faith in the RPG genre.

The game is LONG. The amount of sidequests in the first act alone amounts to more than the whole of any game ever made by Bethesda.

The combat is fluid and fun. People are complaining about how theres not enough abilities and its too twitchy. Guess what tards? The real world is twitchy. In the real world people don't take turns swinging at each other standing in one spot because dice is rolling in the background. Continous Turn Based combat is old tech. Twitch combat in RPGs is the next step. CTB combat killed Turn Based Combat in the late 90s and now its run its course. Twitch is gonna kill CTB. Get used to it. The fact that DA:O used CTB was a little outdated to begin with. With games like Elder scrolls, Fallout 3  and Fable using twitch I was a little surprised Origins went the route they did. DA2 is following the trends of the future. If you don't like it, crawl into a hole and play some Baldur's Gate. The rest of the world is done living in 1999. DA:O might have been the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate but that dosen't mean DA2 has to bow down to its dated tech.

Secondly one of the big beefs i have had with RPGs lately is the dumbing down. Console gamers are killing RPGs, its true. Bethesda has been making the gamplay in their titles more and more stupid in exchange for graphics. You should applaude DA2 for fixing such trends. The gameplay is deep, the characters are deep dispite what you say, and thats a hell of a lot better thans what the other devs have been crapping out over the last 5 years since Oblivifail. The characters, while not as diverse as Orgins, are a lot deeper. You could figure out the personality Alistair Sten or Leliana in less than a minute. They are all cliche sterotypes. Alistair is the comic relief. Sten is the stoic warrior and Leliana is the girlly girl. But thats all they are. There was nothing deeper than that, you had them all figured out from square one. You have to really look at these new NPCs to figure them out. They don't wear their feelings and secrets on their shirt like Origins characters did. You have to think and get to know them. I know I know, thinking is hard but its really appeasing when you learn to do it.

The game is challenging. Very challenging. The fact that people are saying you can't use strategy blows my mind. How could anyone be so stupid? The game is 10 times the difficulty of Origins. You can't potion spam anymore for instance. Maybe thats you people's problem, your only strat was to cheese through encounters by spamming health pots and now you can't, so you say the tactical aspects are broke. The scope of the encounters really make you think. You can just blind rush into a room of hurlocks anymore and expect wynne to back you up. You gotta think, something I guess a lot of people lack the ability to do.

Now for gear. If you think RPGs are about stats and loot you've been playing too many MMOs. RPGs should never be about loot. The fact that you can't replace NPC armor is a step in the right direction. RPGs are about playing a character. Its about acting out a personality. Power gamers and Meta Gamers have lost touch with what their genre is all about. If they took random rolls, loot, and stats out of RPGs and left only the character development I would be a very happy man.

The fact of this whole rant is that this game is amazing. Thats not an opinion, its a fact. Despite some bugs I can see absolutely nothing an RPG fan can complain about unless they are a bunch of nostalgia blind idiots who can't advance past Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal.

Those of you out there who are looking at these forums for a reason to play or not to play dragon age 2. Don't listen to the opinions of these sightless fools. Play the game and love it because I know you will. This is the best thing to happen to RPGs since the 90s.


Go ahead and start the flame throwers. I know the ****** mob will have a hayday with this. I hope some of the real gamers out there will back me up and show these idiots what a great game they are missing.

I agree entirely with your post, but disagree entirely with the way in which you said it. Because you missed a valuable point. I realy don't think bioware pays any particular attention to rage posts, name calling, or derogetory comments.

So, even though you think you're helping, you're not actually helping at all. Resorting to the same tactics as the haters does not help at all. The praises aren't getting drowned out, and unfortunately the fanbois aren't either.

BUT! the point is that this game is awesome. Like you said, it's a fact. Step aside and tally all the elements. It's a great ****ing game! People are pissed cuz it's not what they expected. Were they to go into it fresh, without thinking or hoping it will be exactly like DAO (which a lot of the same people trashed too, btw) or hoping that the end bad guy will really be Irenecus...Well pretty much anything released will be a disappointment if that's what you're looking for.