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[Augustei]

Anyone else wish that this option was available somehow or just me? I mean I can completely see how the situation came to the conclusion that it did and If you ask me his actions are completely understandable and justifed. I mean he didn't even break the accord NOT ONCE.. sure its suggested he was planning the assault but still.. Its not considered breaking the accord until he took proper action.

He was stuck in this foreign city where his people were being killed and put down. Treated like dirt and wanted to be ousted. The Viscount is to weak to do anything about it. He was forced to put up with to much crap. And the keeping of the elves, The guard shouldn't be demanding them like that when their actions were justified.. When he asked me what i'd do if I were in his shoes I let him know i'd refuse to give over the elves and kill all that tried etc.

Wish we could have sided with the Arishok.. He was a champ =D
Loved killing the stupid Mother ***** as well =P

[Augustei]

R.I.P Arishok =( lol

[Fishy]

Siding with the Arishok make absolutly no sense.Even more if you're a mage.

[banner the bloodguard]

I didn't like the Artichoke at all.

[Augustei]

Suprez30 wrote...

Siding with the Arishok make absolutly no sense.Even more if you're a mage.

Your just jealous because you didn't get his respect =P

Im just saying he didn't do anything wrong prior to the attack.. And he shouldn't have had to hand over the elves anyway. He never broke the accord.. But the accord was broken by the chantry many many times. They killed heaps of Qunari, killed a convert. And he was stuck in this foreign land filled with corruption and stuck in that ****ty little area in the docks waiting for a chance to get the damn book.

[Augustei]

banner the bloodguard wrote...

I didn't like the Artichoke at all.

pfft, that nickname wont stick =P

[AngelicMachinery]

The Arishock was a tool, he just stood their and glowered... or chased me around in circles while I raged.

[Kingthlayer]

The Arishok was awesome. And all his problems caused by one person who by all means should have been dead in act 1. I really hated that I couldn't kill her and her templar boyfriend right after they ****ed with Hawke.

[Augustei]

Yeah.. Aveline was so wrong when she said "Like when you Avenged the Viscounts son, it wasn't right then and its not right now"

It kinda was right.. Besides, The Grand Cleric seemed to know it was going to happen and allowed it to.

and yeah, what the elves did was justified as well

[WatcherTFL]

I agree with big mac, I would have killed the sister too after she tried to have me killed, Kirkwall especially low-town is a dangerous place bad things happen. The fight with the Arishok took an eternity with a rogue (no defensive cd's evade proved pretty usefull getting distance), using backstab to get behind him was priceless...

[Lithuasil]

What the elves did was justified, as was killing petrice. Neither of which changes the fact, that the Qun (to me) is the most unlikeable philosophy ever made ever, since ca 1945. Not badly written mind you, I quite enjoy hating them, just opposed to everything I or any of my characters would value.

[Pileyourbodies]

This is one that should have been a choice cause the Arishock actually has merits unlike the mages. His belief system is totally different and contrary to mine but still its at least consistent and not evil

[fluorine7]

I totally totally agree with OP!!!

I don't agree with Qunari believes, but I respect Arishok as a leader with true integrity. If I could find his book myself, I would. If Isabella returns with the book, I'd turn her over in a heart beat. But I feel that Arishok will accept Hawke's help only if Hawke convert to Qunari believes. And that is something I don't think I can have my Hawke do.

But consider a similar scenario: Hawke and pals were forced to live in a Tervinter port city, every thing they saw is injustice and cruelty. Will Hawke stand aside and let it happen like the Arishok? If 2 slaves escaped and asked for Hawke's help, will he not defend the escaped slaves? Will Hawke respect the local Tervinter law which protect slavery and blood magic? If we put ourself in Arishok's shoes, then it's not hard to realize how much honor and integrity he has.

And for that reason, I respect him.

Modifié par fluorine7, 17 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[Selig]

If you side with the Arishok you'll most likely be forced to live under the Qun - thus assigned a role in life to be followed or die. You wouldn't have the choice or ability to wander around doing quests because of your role, you wouldn't have any choice in how you carried out your role because the Qun demands it be done in a specific way and breaking it means death, and if a mage you would be thrown into a collar/chain thing and enslaved.

I don't think it would make for a very good second half to the game.

[JamesX]

Selig wrote...

If you side with the Arishok you'll most likely be forced to live under the Qun - thus assigned a role in life to be followed or die. You wouldn't have the choice or ability to wander around doing quests because of your role, you wouldn't have any choice in how you carried out your role because the Qun demands it be done in a specific way and breaking it means death, and if a mage you would be thrown into a collar/chain thing and enslaved.

I don't think it would make for a very good second half to the game.

Actually the Qun assign you a role, it is up to you how you want to carry this out.  

That is explicitly mentioned in the conversation.  What you cannot do is switch roles.  Pretty much if Qun declear you to be a Soldier then you are a Soldier, how you want to act as a Soldier or how much effort you want to put into it is really upto you (thought there are other provisions I am sure to check laziness and sloth and such).

So if the Qun assigned Hawke to be a baker, then yeah the 2nd half of the story is pointless.  But there is no reason to suspect if Bioware made the choice possible he will be made into a Baker.  Most likely he will be made Ambassador to Kirkwall or something.  Or maybe an investigator (like Sten and his Group in DA:O) and the story can still move forward - though not like the story now, since Qunari would be controlling Kirkwall and the Mage Templar situation greatly different.

[Tasuru]

I would've liked to side with him at least once.

[Kerilus]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

This is one that should have been a choice cause the Arishock actually has merits unlike the mages. His belief system is totally different and contrary to mine but still its at least consistent and not evil

How exactly are mages evil? The Qunari are consistent I'd give you that, more so than Templars.

[Arrtis]

If hawke were mage.
He would be serabaas
If he were rogue.
Probably some elite scout.
IF he were warrior.
Probably some elite warrior group.
the guy you killed after transporting the qunari mage.
Since you were around his level of capabilities.
Probably become a leader.Assuming they let converts go that far.

[Dark Specie]

JamesX wrote...
So if the Qun assigned Hawke to be a baker, then yeah the 2nd half of the story is pointless.  But there is no reason to suspect if Bioware made the choice possible he will be made into a Baker.  Most likely he will be made Ambassador to Kirkwall or something.  Or maybe an investigator (like Sten and his Group in DA:O)

If you help the Qunari in Act 3 to collect all the 10 Qunari swords without asking for money in return, then he says that if Hawke accepted the Qun and choose to live among them (or something like that), then he would be a Ben-Hassrath - a Qunari who is tasked with enforcing religious law.

Modifié par Dark Specie, 17 mars 2011 - 11:33 .

[Dark Specie]

(double post, delete)

Modifié par Dark Specie, 17 mars 2011 - 11:32 .

[Arrtis]

unless he were a mage.
Then he would be chained up and have his mouth sewed in with his arms clamped together.

[Ahriman Dragonhand]

So if the Qun assigned Hawke to be a baker, then yeah the 2nd half of the story is pointless.

Didn't Sten once mention that the roles are assigned according to each one's skills? I'm sure the qunari would give Hawke a role much different than baker, hehe.

But anyway, I'd have loved the chance to join the qunari. I think it's a pitty that the focus on templar/mage conflict left the qunari option out.

[Pileyourbodies]

Ahriman Dragonhand wrote...

So if the Qun assigned Hawke to be a baker, then yeah the 2nd half of the story is pointless.

Didn't Sten once mention that the roles are assigned according to each one's skills? I'm sure the qunari would give Hawke a role much different than baker, hehe.

But anyway, I'd have loved the chance to join the qunari. I think it's a pitty that the focus on templar/mage conflict left the qunari option out.

They'd make Hawke be a banker cause hes very good at making money.

[fluorine7]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I'm sorry OP, as big an Arishok fan as we both are, I must say you missed the point. The Arishok doesn't give a flying f*ck about how he and his people are despised, ousted, etc. by Kirkwallers. The reason why he started a war is because it is the demand of the Qun to purge the city of decadence and corruption. He is a champion of justice in a much better sense than Anders, acting out of divine providence. Don't you ever confuse that with petty revenge.

The meaning of the Qun is clear.

I thought it is demand of the Qun to just get the book. As for all the purging and cleansing... if that is the demand, then it won't be just a 300 team, it'd be an army. Qunaries are not stupid, they don't just throw themselves at a war they can not win. I think unless the Qun directly communicate them through some magical means, it acts like all religion: it's an obscured principle which can be interpretated in many ways. So Arishok, after suffereing from human for 3 years, finaly decide to interprate the Qun in a violent way. 

If it is the original demand of the Qun, why did Arishok waited for 3 years? When Hawke offered to get the book back for him, Arishok said :too little, too late. So there's a point during that 3 years, he'd leave peacefully with the book. If you handed him Isabella with the book, he would leave without more violence (so I've heard). 

So cleansing the city is not the demand of the Qun, not if he has the book.