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[BaronIveagh]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Implying of course that there won't be a solution by then, yes?  How very optimistic of you.

Mass Effect 1 still has it, and has not been patched out.  From three years ago.  My general experiance is that while every company claimed to have a sunset plan, they rarly actually do it, as implimenting these plans costs money, the lack of which is usually WHY they're closing/shutting down servers. 

[jeinasindorei]

Garak2 wrote...


Yes, yes, yes we agree that release control is not the same as copy protection but they are both DRM. DRM is not limited to copy protection, it can do all kinds of things like copy protection, install limits, activations (recurring or one time), release control, play at once limits (two people can't log in at the same time on the same account) and other stuff I am not thinking of.

So, release control is indeed DRM and this paticular release control is made by Sony DADC, just like Securom and they even give you a Securom link. No doubt you can agree this is indeed Securom DRM.

I already said it's not the same stuff people hate but it is Securom DRM and to say otherwise is deceptive.

I know this and you know this. The mass public does not. When someone sees "SecuROM DRM", they immediatly assume it's the copy protection as copy protection is the most widely discussed DRM tool. When someone mentions "SecuROM DRM", it's widely assumed to be referring to the copy protection. While not techinically correct, it's still more or less what it is.

When Bioware said "Dragon Age 2 will not contain SecuROM DRM", they were referring to the copy protection program.

What you are doing is splitting hairs with techincalities and confusing the issue for people who like to generalize.

[Garak2]

jeinasindorei wrote...

Garak2 wrote...


Yes, yes, yes we agree that release control is not the same as copy protection but they are both DRM. DRM is not limited to copy protection, it can do all kinds of things like copy protection, install limits, activations (recurring or one time), release control, play at once limits (two people can't log in at the same time on the same account) and other stuff I am not thinking of.

So, release control is indeed DRM and this paticular release control is made by Sony DADC, just like Securom and they even give you a Securom link. No doubt you can agree this is indeed Securom DRM.

I already said it's not the same stuff people hate but it is Securom DRM and to say otherwise is deceptive.

I know this and you know this. The mass public does not. When someone sees "SecuROM DRM", they immediatly assume it's the copy protection as copy protection is the most widely discussed DRM tool. When someone mentions "SecuROM DRM", it's widely assumed to be referring to the copy protection. While not techinically correct, it's still more or less what it is.

When Bioware said "Dragon Age 2 will not contain SecuROM DRM", they were referring to the copy protection program.

What you are doing is splitting hairs with techincalities and confusing the issue for people who like to generalize.

No I'm not., Securom Release Control is Secrurom DRM. What Bioware should have done is told us upfront, everything that they told us to after we started getting hit with securom links.

Next time, maybe they will say something similar to: "This game has Securom release contol but not Securom disc checking."

I understand the people who think Bioware purposely tried to distance themselves from Securom hoping that no one would see that screen with the securom link. After all, anyone who installed the game after the release date (most people) would never get an error from the release control. 

I also understand that maybe it was just a miscommunication between EA and Bioware and Bioware really didn't know that the release control was made by Sony DADC. Isn't the publisher the one to apply the DRM?

[Freestorm Skinn]

About a year ago, I bought the PC version of MASS EFFECT off Steam and found some inert Securom files on my computer. They were temp files that didn't do anything, including uploading data. I deleted the folder the files were in with no fuss.

This sounds simliar. I hope.

[Akitoscorpio]

Garak2 wrote...

jeinasindorei wrote...

Garak2 wrote...


Yes, yes, yes we agree that release control is not the same as copy protection but they are both DRM. DRM is not limited to copy protection, it can do all kinds of things like copy protection, install limits, activations (recurring or one time), release control, play at once limits (two people can't log in at the same time on the same account) and other stuff I am not thinking of.

So, release control is indeed DRM and this paticular release control is made by Sony DADC, just like Securom and they even give you a Securom link. No doubt you can agree this is indeed Securom DRM.

I already said it's not the same stuff people hate but it is Securom DRM and to say otherwise is deceptive.

I know this and you know this. The mass public does not. When someone sees "SecuROM DRM", they immediatly assume it's the copy protection as copy protection is the most widely discussed DRM tool. When someone mentions "SecuROM DRM", it's widely assumed to be referring to the copy protection. While not techinically correct, it's still more or less what it is.

When Bioware said "Dragon Age 2 will not contain SecuROM DRM", they were referring to the copy protection program.

What you are doing is splitting hairs with techincalities and confusing the issue for people who like to generalize.

No I'm not., Securom Release Control is Secrurom DRM. What Bioware should have done is told us upfront, everything that they told us to after we started getting hit with securom links.

Next time, maybe they will say something similar to: "This game has Securom release contol but not Securom disc checking."

I understand the people who think Bioware purposely tried to distance themselves from Securom hoping that no one would see that screen with the securom link. After all, anyone who installed the game after the release date (most people) would never get an error from the release control. 

I also understand that maybe it was just a miscommunication between EA and Bioware and Bioware really didn't know that the release control was made by Sony DADC. Isn't the publisher the one to apply the DRM?

A sing point of contention in your post.

It's not called secureROM, it's called Sony DADC, for all you honestly know that it is what they say it is,

Besides were you planing on going back in time 6 months and installing it on a computer back then?

No?

[BaronIveagh]

Akitoscorpio wrote...

A sing point of contention in your post.

It's not called secureROM, it's called Sony DADC, for all you honestly know that it is what they say it is,

Besides were you planing on going back in time 6 months and installing it on a computer back then?

No?

It's actually securom, because it's still does the same thing Securom has always done and screwed up my DvD drivers.

[Kloreep]

BaronIveagh wrote...

It's actually securom, because it's still does the same thing Securom has always done and screwed up my DvD drivers.

That's not a good sign. And here we were all hoping it was just a few inert registry entries...

Any further details? Do you know specific files or registry entries that were added/altered?

[TacPlay]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Now suddenly the guy from RYG stops posting and the website inexplicibly goes down.

RYG site is up for me.. I don't see any problems.

[BaronIveagh]

Not sure. I ended up having to use Friday's disk image to get rid of it.  (Friday before release, not as in, this Friday)

My light scribe gets mistaken for daemon tools by securom for some reason.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 14 mars 2011 - 12:49 .

[Garak2]

Akitoscorpio wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

jeinasindorei wrote...

Garak2 wrote...


Yes, yes, yes we agree that release control is not the same as copy protection but they are both DRM. DRM is not limited to copy protection, it can do all kinds of things like copy protection, install limits, activations (recurring or one time), release control, play at once limits (two people can't log in at the same time on the same account) and other stuff I am not thinking of.

So, release control is indeed DRM and this paticular release control is made by Sony DADC, just like Securom and they even give you a Securom link. No doubt you can agree this is indeed Securom DRM.

I already said it's not the same stuff people hate but it is Securom DRM and to say otherwise is deceptive.

I know this and you know this. The mass public does not. When someone sees "SecuROM DRM", they immediatly assume it's the copy protection as copy protection is the most widely discussed DRM tool. When someone mentions "SecuROM DRM", it's widely assumed to be referring to the copy protection. While not techinically correct, it's still more or less what it is.

When Bioware said "Dragon Age 2 will not contain SecuROM DRM", they were referring to the copy protection program.

What you are doing is splitting hairs with techincalities and confusing the issue for people who like to generalize.

No I'm not., Securom Release Control is Secrurom DRM. What Bioware should have done is told us upfront, everything that they told us to after we started getting hit with securom links.

Next time, maybe they will say something similar to: "This game has Securom release contol but not Securom disc checking."

I understand the people who think Bioware purposely tried to distance themselves from Securom hoping that no one would see that screen with the securom link. After all, anyone who installed the game after the release date (most people) would never get an error from the release control. 

I also understand that maybe it was just a miscommunication between EA and Bioware and Bioware really didn't know that the release control was made by Sony DADC. Isn't the publisher the one to apply the DRM?

A sing point of contention in your post.

It's not called secureROM, it's called Sony DADC, for all you honestly know that it is what they say it is,

Besides were you planing on going back in time 6 months and installing it on a computer back then?

No?

Sony DADC is securom.  Type Sony DADC into google and see what happens.

Modifié par Garak2, 14 mars 2011 - 12:53 .

[Jonhen78]

Never buying an EA/Bioware game again

[ManiacalEvil]

Jonhen78 wrote...

Never buying an EA/Bioware game again

If everyone who said that delivered, BioWare would be bankrupt by now. I still remember just how sucky Origins was.

[Tabak]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Ars is only reporting it because Reclaimyourgame.com reported it, and Reclaimyourgame is offline now.  If you read the thread, you'll notice the guy from the site basically declaring victory right up until Fernando came out and said "What you're finding is the release check, here's why." and explains it.  Now suddenly the guy from RYG stops posting and the website inexplicibly goes down.

Oh, consipiracy theories abound here! reclaimyourgame.com went offline because their server couldn't handle all the traffic coming to their story of DA2's DRM.

I'm disappointed in Bioware. It was a simple question many of us asked: "Is SecuROM used?" There were hundreds of posts over a lot of different threads, all wanting an answer to this. The answer given was NO. At no time did Bioware state the real answer, which is "Yes, it is, but we are using the most unobtrusive SecuROM available". Some people would have been happy with that answer but for those who will not allow any form of SecuROM near their PC's the "no SecuROM used" reassurances were false and misleading. 

For shame Bioware!

[djwyattwood]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

Jonhen78 wrote...

Never buying an EA/Bioware game again

If everyone who said that delivered, BioWare would be bankrupt by now. I still remember just how sucky Origins was.

Yes. How sucky Origins was. I'm sure you're loving DA2 then, considering you obviously hate good games.

[Tabak]

Akitoscorpio wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

jeinasindorei wrote...

Garak2 wrote...


Yes, yes, yes we agree that release control is not the same as copy protection but they are both DRM. DRM is not limited to copy protection, it can do all kinds of things like copy protection, install limits, activations (recurring or one time), release control, play at once limits (two people can't log in at the same time on the same account) and other stuff I am not thinking of.

So, release control is indeed DRM and this paticular release control is made by Sony DADC, just like Securom and they even give you a Securom link. No doubt you can agree this is indeed Securom DRM.

I already said it's not the same stuff people hate but it is Securom DRM and to say otherwise is deceptive.

I know this and you know this. The mass public does not. When someone sees "SecuROM DRM", they immediatly assume it's the copy protection as copy protection is the most widely discussed DRM tool. When someone mentions "SecuROM DRM", it's widely assumed to be referring to the copy protection. While not techinically correct, it's still more or less what it is.

When Bioware said "Dragon Age 2 will not contain SecuROM DRM", they were referring to the copy protection program.

What you are doing is splitting hairs with techincalities and confusing the issue for people who like to generalize.

No I'm not., Securom Release Control is Secrurom DRM. What Bioware should have done is told us upfront, everything that they told us to after we started getting hit with securom links.

Next time, maybe they will say something similar to: "This game has Securom release contol but not Securom disc checking."

I understand the people who think Bioware purposely tried to distance themselves from Securom hoping that no one would see that screen with the securom link. After all, anyone who installed the game after the release date (most people) would never get an error from the release control. 

I also understand that maybe it was just a miscommunication between EA and Bioware and Bioware really didn't know that the release control was made by Sony DADC. Isn't the publisher the one to apply the DRM?

A sing point of contention in your post.

It's not called secureROM, it's called Sony DADC, for all you honestly know that it is what they say it is,

Besides were you planing on going back in time 6 months and installing it on a computer back then?

No?

It has the name of SecuROM. Iit connects to the SecuROM servers, it’s is stamped with SecuROM, it is made by SecuROM… so it IS SecuROM. Even if it’s a simple date checker it’s STILL SecuROM, no matter what you (or Bioware) want to call it.

Calling it a subcomponent of SecuROM doesn't mean its less nasty or more benign. For all we know the release date checker subcomponent may incorporate the core of SecuROM and be just as dangerous. 

[didymos1120]

Tabak wrote...

Calling it a subcomponent of SecuROM doesn't mean its less nasty or more benign. For all we know the release date checker subcomponent may incorporate the core of SecuROM and be just as dangerous. 

Look, it either is required for the game to run or it is not.  Once the date check is done, it is not.  Therefore, it doesn't do any of the stuff people fret about.  Therefore, it is less nasty and more benign. 

And if any files are left in the temp directory, delete them.  If any registry entries aren't removed properly, delete those too.  Your game will still run just fine.  

If you're still worried after that, search your hard drive high and low for any Securom files.  Delete them, should your search bear fruit, which I highly doubt it will.  Unless of course you have some other game installed which actually does require a full, complete Securom package be installed every time it is run.  That game ain't DA2 though.

Modifié par didymos1120, 14 mars 2011 - 03:21 .

[Drax_Lyonsbane]

Kloreep wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

are you somehow automatically connected to their servers regardless of  settings?

If it's like DAO or ME2, yes. If you look in Options, there should be something to the effect of "log in me automatically" that will be ticked. Un-tick it if you prefer.

Horse****.
I had the same message twice, and I know that option was turned off the second time.
Maybe you should ease out of this before you really get involved.

[BaronIveagh]

didymos1120 wrote...

Look, it either is required for the game to run or it is not.  Once the date check is done, it is not.  Therefore, it doesn't do any of the stuff people fret about.  Therefore, it is less nasty and more benign. 

And if any files are left in the temp directory, delete them.  If any registry entries aren't removed properly, delete those too.  Your game will still run just fine.  

If you're still worried after that, search your hard drive high and low for any Securom files.  Delete them, should your search bear fruit, which I highly doubt it will.  Unless of course you have some other game installed which actually does require a full, complete Securom package be installed every time it is run.  That game ain't DA2 though.

As I pointed out in another thread:

The handful of edited files were 'in use' when I tried to delete them,
so I had to go back to a drive image from the 5th.  If I had known that
it was going ot be this big, I'd have done a screen cap before I did
it. 

I only had one game installed at this time.  Other then the
usual windows culprits and EVE Online, and neither Solitare nor EVE use
SecuROM. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Chris Priestly wrote...

When my installation and online check are completed, why are there files remaining in my temp folder saying SecuROM?

This is the part that made everyone freak out.  So, while it is common practice to leave those inert temp files behind, maybe next time you should avoid doing that.

[Akitoscorpio]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Akitoscorpio wrote...

A sing point of contention in your post.

It's not called secureROM, it's called Sony DADC, for all you honestly know that it is what they say it is,

Besides were you planing on going back in time 6 months and installing it on a computer back then?

No?

It's actually securom, because it's still does the same thing Securom has always done and screwed up my DvD drivers.

I'll concide the point, I personaly have never had the DVD driver issue your mentioning and I probbly still have secureRom on my system.

I'll also concide the point that yes, it was in poor form to not diclose this publicly that DADC was in some way tied to SecureROM.

Has this shatered my trust in Bioware? Not really, I bought the game on Steam because my tiny ass apartment no longer has the room for all the game boxes on my shelves.

[Kloreep]

Drax_Lyonsbane wrote...

Kloreep wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

are you somehow automatically connected to their servers regardless of  settings?

If it's like DAO or ME2, yes. If you look in Options, there should be something to the effect of "log in me automatically" that will be ticked. Un-tick it if you prefer.

Horse****.
I had the same message twice, and I know that option was turned off the second time.

My mistake, then. Thanks for the gentle correction.

Drax_Lyonsbane wrote...

Maybe you should ease out of this before you really get involved.

?

[kinseeker35]

KaZumaSaru wrote...

Karathandir wrote...

Funny looks like DRM version 7.42 even does a disk check. Perhaps If you call it something else loud enough more people would believe this

http://arstechnica.c...=1#comments-bar

So if Sony shuts down its Release Control servers, those on Release Control get shafted?

Also, why the heck would a disk check be necessary when you guys clearly said it doesnt need one?

Its only nessesary when you frist install i think. IM playing the game with out a disk and so is my wife.

[Enernanut]

Let's review the facts:

Claims:
-Bioware made a specific claim that the game would not have securom.
-They also claimed that the drm wouldn't install anything to the hard drive and that any files used would be removed after the release date.

Reality:
-The release check is made by sony dadc, the company behind securom.
-It connects to the same sony dadc servers that securom does.
-The dfa.dll used has "SecuROM" in the file description.
-The error message directs you to the securom support website.
-None of the files or reg entries are removed until the game is uninstalled, some are still left after that.

I count three lies in the claims I listed, not using the rootkit version of securom and calling it something else does not mean that it's not securom.  If Bioware didn't want the negative publicity then they shouldn't have used securom, or at the very least they shouldn't have lied about it.  I also think that Bioware needs a new PR department, when you dig yourself into a hole you don't keep digging.

Everything about this launch has been a fiasco and I can't decided whether to laugh at the sheer stupidity of it all or cry over the brutalization of another good series.  Oh well, one less game to try and fit into my schedule and budget.

[Jaron Oberyn]

EA is ruining a great company. A shame. Due to this whole issue with credibility from the lie that they've told us, they're going to suffer in their future sales. The nearest being ME3. Great job EA. I don't know what would make them think people wouldn't find out about this. I hope someone decides to sue over this because they deserve it honestly. Apparently they don't respect their customers. As long as EA is behind Bioware, I'm probably not going to buy another game beyond ME3. I'll only buy that for the sake of finishing the trilogy. After that, I'm done with Bioware. There's nothing to look forward to, except shady marketing practices and rushed out games.

-Polite