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[BaronIveagh]

Domcor wrote...

Before then, the pirates were sitting on completely useless clones of the dvd.

Whatever you want to call it, the release control software worked perfectly.

Um, sorry, (probably) not true.  At least one supposedly working crack was released on the 6th.  I didn't download it, so I can't say for sure, but supposedly they did exist.

[Domcor]

Nah, there were lots of fake cracks, there wasn't a real one until it was actually released.

Was quite funny reading the comments from people pretending to be scene groups, though.

I would link to evidence, but I would get banned/warned and/or it would get removed since it would be to a warez scene release site.

[Stanley Woo]

This is a reminder that discussion of software piracy or circumventing DRM are not permitted in our community.

[Domcor]

I'd argue that it was entirely on topic (relating to the apparent claim that the release check was only hurting legitimate customers) and that not talking about piracy in a thread about DRM is like not talking about crime in a thread about gun control, but I'm done with this thread.

I'm happy with the product I have (not cracked) and wasn't going to post at all, but thought I'd clear up the fallacy before it got anywhere.

[djwyattwood]

BaronIveagh wrote...

Domcor wrote...

Before then, the pirates were sitting on completely useless clones of the dvd.

Whatever you want to call it, the release control software worked perfectly.

Um, sorry, (probably) not true.  At least one supposedly working crack was released on the 6th.  I didn't download it, so I can't say for sure, but supposedly they did exist.

It wasn't me, but I saw it working.

[60DollarsWasted]

http://reclaimyourga...In-Dragon-Age-2

That is pretty much damning towards Bioware/EA. There's nothing else that needs to be said.

[Proviant_germany]

Securom...  or
involve online activation.

Release Control’s (...) by doing an online server check

Isn't this the same?

[didymos1120]

60DollarsWasted wrote...

http://reclaimyourga...In-Dragon-Age-2

That is pretty much damning towards Bioware/EA. There's nothing else that needs to be said.

Yes, old news.  And what else needs to be said is like, you know, the context?  I.e., it's a one-time only check, the "evil" code isn't run after that, there's no rootkit or anything like that involved, anything left over is just harmless junk data that can be (and has been by lots and lots o' people) safely deleted without interfering with the game in any way, etc.

[sgriffin0810]

didymos1120 wrote...

60DollarsWasted wrote...

http://reclaimyourga...In-Dragon-Age-2

That is pretty much damning towards Bioware/EA. There's nothing else that needs to be said.

Yes, old news.  And what else needs to be said is like, you know, the context?  I.e., it's a one-time only check, the "evil" code isn't run after that, there's no rootkit or anything like that involved, anything left over is just harmless junk data that can be (and has been by lots and lots o' people) safely deleted without interfering with the game in any way, etc.

This whole "not securom" would be great if it was true. But it's not. You can stamp your feet and get angry about it, and you can call it Sony DADC, release control, or whatever you want, but the fact remains that 1) Bioware lied about Securom and 2) that, having lied, it is, in fact, present in the game.

A thought: If securom didn't need to install anything... why did it need to clean up after itself to begin with?

Modifié par sgriffin0810, 15 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[BaronIveagh]

I rather like how EA's new Help section on this claims that Release Control is SecuROM DRM, but it's not SecuROM DRM. Which is it?

[ValentineMSmith]

For me, I'm at 3 strikes on BW right now:
(Bought DA:O, ME2, DA2 on preorder.)
1. DA:O never got all the patches it needed, nor the DLC to which BW committed.
2. DA2 is just about what I was afraid it would be. There's a good story hiding in
there, but the re-used settings are *really* annoying. After paying $60 for a
game that should have been $40, I'm not impressed with the immersion-breaking
re-use.
3. If EA used *anything* from SecuROM they should have gone out of their way
to explain what and why. In this case, the result was that console players were
able to start playing days earlier than PC players...and in 5 years I might be
completely unable to install the game for which I paid (unless the "release day
check" servers are still running and responding).

I do appreciate that there is no actual disc-in-drive check in DA2...that was particularly
frustrating in DA:O a couple of times. (Registered on a different account, natch.) But
with everything I've seen lately I won't considering be buying ME3 or DA3 until they hit
the "super-de-dooper all-in-one" edition stage. And even then, I'll be looking to install
on a disk/Windows installation that I don't use for anything else and can wipe slick (or
put on the shelf) when I'm done with the game.

Do those three strikes seem minor to others? Probably for some. Doesn't matter--I'm
done. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[Connect]

Shame on you, BioWare! SHAME ON YOU! SHAME ON YOU!

You strip PC gamers of the right to play the game early, you lie about the DRM, you bring back online activations instead of the much more accessible disc check and YOU WANT US TO PAY for your products? Getting left with 10 GB of junk after the "release date" servers go down, while console gamers will be able to play the game whenever they want.

Congratulations, you are total incompetents and igonorants.

I hope you get SUED for every penny you have.

[didymos1120]

sgriffin0810 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

60DollarsWasted wrote...

http://reclaimyourga...In-Dragon-Age-2

That is pretty much damning towards Bioware/EA. There's nothing else that needs to be said.

Yes, old news.  And what else needs to be said is like, you know, the context?  I.e., it's a one-time only check, the "evil" code isn't run after that, there's no rootkit or anything like that involved, anything left over is just harmless junk data that can be (and has been by lots and lots o' people) safely deleted without interfering with the game in any way, etc.

This whole "not securom" would be great if it was true. But it's not. You can stamp your feet and get angry about it, and you can call it Sony DADC, release control, or whatever you want, but the fact remains that 1) Bioware lied about Securom and 2) that, having lied, it is, in fact, present in the game.

A thought: If securom didn't need to install anything... why did it need to clean up after itself to begin with?

Another thought: where did I say nothing was installed?  It's not a permanent installation.  Or, at least, it's not intended to be.  No files can be found outside of the temp folder.  The actual executable IS removed.  The stuff left over afterwards doesn't do anything.  It's not spyware, or a rootkit or even able to run at all because, again, the executable goes bye-bye as soon as the date check is done.  All you've got are a couple reg keys that don't get used and don't do anything, and, for some people, a stray dll and a couple data files that also don't do anything.  Well, besides waste a miniscule amount of disc space. 

[didymos1120]

BaronIveagh wrote...

I rather like how EA's new Help section on this claims that Release Control is SecuROM DRM, but it's not SecuROM DRM. Which is it?

If you're going to reference a specific page, include the link.  It's just common courtesy.  For others, here's the page in question:

http://support.ea.co...etail/a_id/4921 

[mesmerizedish]

didymos1120 wrote...

BaronIveagh wrote...

I rather like how EA's new Help section on this claims that Release Control is SecuROM DRM, but it's not SecuROM DRM. Which is it?

If you're going to reference a specific page, include the link.  It's just common courtesy.  For others, here's the page in question:

http://support.ea.co...etail/a_id/4921 

I'm not seeing where that page claims that Release Control is SecuROM

[sgriffin0810]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Dragon Age 2 Release Control (non-Steam versions)

• Does not use securom.
• It does not install anything to the PC.
• Sole purpose is to check with a server to validate whether the game release date has passed or not.
• It completely removes itself after the game release date has passed.
• You will not be able to play until that date has passed.
• Dates & times are set to the retail street date per country.

Hmm... think this speaks for itself... because yes it does install something, and no it doesn't completely remove itself after the release date has passed. Once again: if nothing is installed, why is there a need for it to be removed?

didymos1120 wrote...



Another thought: where did I say nothing was installed?  It's not a permanent installation.  Or, at least, it's not intended to be.  No files can be found outside of the temp folder.  The actual executable IS removed.  The stuff left over afterwards doesn't do anything.  It's not spyware, or a rootkit or even able to run at all because, again, the executable goes bye-bye as soon as the date check is done.  All you've got are a couple reg keys that don't get used and don't do anything, and, for some people, a stray dll and a couple data files that also don't do anything.  Well, besides waste a miniscule amount of disc space. 

U mad?


Stating a falsehood repeatedly does not make it true.

Modifié par sgriffin0810, 15 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Kloreep]

I don't think I've seen this posted yet: RYG Update re: Dragon Age 2.

They say they've contacted Fernando & co at Bioware. If they really do get a dialogue going, I hope something comes of it. A private conversation about all this does a lot more promising than the yelling that sometimes goes on in the public forums. Though, it's phrased vaguely enough that I don't read in this confirmation Bioware has written back to them, much less with interest.

Also:

And yes, our evaluation reports DO NOT assess the technical severity and impact of SecuROM on PCs with respect to Dragon Age 2.

This sentence probably could have served well somewhere in the original article. :/

[BaronIveagh]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm not seeing where that page claims that Release Control is SecuROM

I need to start screencapping stuff around here.  I really do.  Any archives carry EA's site?  Internet Archives Wayback machine doesn't seem to carry this one.

[Lafiniel]

If only all game makers would do like GoG does but meeeh i guess we can all dream.

i will never uinstall Da2 becuase if i do i will never be able to reinstall couse the stupid "ur account does not have da2" ohhhh rlyyyy check my account i got signature and all of its dlc. bloody fakn **** drm.

good game crap drm.
sad but true drm only makes it so uss real buyers suffer heavely

[didymos1120]

sgriffin0810 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Another thought: where did I say nothing was installed?  It's not a permanent installation.  Or, at least, it's not intended to be.  No files can be found outside of the temp folder.  The actual executable IS removed.  The stuff left over afterwards doesn't do anything.  It's not spyware, or a rootkit or even able to run at all because, again, the executable goes bye-bye as soon as the date check is done.  All you've got are a couple reg keys that don't get used and don't do anything, and, for some people, a stray dll and a couple data files that also don't do anything.  Well, besides waste a miniscule amount of disc space. 

U mad?


Stating a falsehood repeatedly does not make it true.

Mad?  No.  Mildy irritated. Intermittently. 

Anyway, what did I say in that that was incorrect?  Please be specific.  And no, I don't GAF what Priestly said.  Priestly isn't me, so that's irrelevant to my post, which quite clearly acknowledges that, yes, files are temporarily installed, and in some cases (my own, just for instance, as I've mentioned a number of times), not properly removed after the date check is done.  You orignally raised this point in response to another of my posts, so the obvious conclusion was that you had some issue with what I said, not Priestly.

Since I'm not disputing the fact that stuff gets put on our harddrives by the checker, great: go argue with him about what he meant by "does not install".  Nor have I been disputing that the removal process is bugged, and junk files and reg entries get left behind. What I did say is that that stuff doesn't do anything except sit there and waste a neglible number of bytes once the date check is done.  So again: take the "completely removes" issue up with him.  All I said is that it's supposed to be removed, and that the actual executable does get deleted even though other cruft is left over.

Modifié par didymos1120, 15 mars 2011 - 10:51 .

[_LordKain_]

Wow, some of you have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much time on your hands.

[Lux]

There's an interesting read from EA support about this.

I just hope that BioWare/EA can drop SecuROM services altogether in the future.

[Seifz]

So...

What do we do when the release check software returns an error about insufficient privileges when we're running the game as administrator in Windows 7?

Gotta love pointless DRM...

EDIT:  Or maybe it's not the release check?  I just accepted the release check before I got this error, so I assumed that it was, but I don't know for certain.  Here's the error:

We're sorry, an error has occured.
This application is unable to run on guest accounts or Windows accounts without sufficient privileges.  Please log in using another Windows account.

I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Modifié par Seifz, 16 mars 2011 - 01:25 .

[ozenglish]

I didn't get this issue, as I still buy physical copies as often as I can. Call me old fashioned, but I just like having a physical copy of something in case of a computer issue.

[didymos1120]

Seifz wrote...


I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Log on as an admin, and also right-click the installer and also choose "Run As Administrator".  You could also try disabling UAC temporarily.  In any case, this is definitely Windows causing problems, as it is so often wont to do. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 16 mars 2011 - 02:30 .