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[Seifz]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seifz wrote...


I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Log on as an admin, and also right-click the installer and also choose "Run As Administrator".  You could also try disabling UAC temporarily.  In any case, this is definitely Windows causing problems, as it is so often wont to do.

No, it's not Windows.  The problem is documented on the tech support forum here and it's a problem with the terrible DRM scheme that they've forced on us honest customers.  More specifically, the game isn't able to gather the data that it needs to authenticate my legitimate copy of the game with EA's servers.  BioWare is blaming this on a WMI corruption, but my system information is perfectly reported to every other program on the system.

The beta patch does not fix the problem, the engineers don't know what's actually causing the problem, and there's no ETA on fixing the problem.  My pirating roommate has no trouble playing his game, though!

Anyone still think DRM like this is a good idea?

Anyway, it's not the release check software like I thought it was, so this is off-topic now.

[Dansayshi]

Seifz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Seifz wrote...


I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Log on as an admin, and also right-click the installer and also choose "Run As Administrator".  You could also try disabling UAC temporarily.  In any case, this is definitely Windows causing problems, as it is so often wont to do.

No, it's not Windows.  The problem is documented on the tech support forum here and it's a problem with the terrible DRM scheme that they've forced on us honest customers.  More specifically, the game isn't able to gather the data that it needs to authenticate my legitimate copy of the game with EA's servers.  BioWare is blaming this on a WMI corruption, but my system information is perfectly reported to every other program on the system.

The beta patch does not fix the problem, the engineers don't know what's actually causing the problem, and there's no ETA on fixing the problem.  My pirating roommate has no trouble playing his game, though!

Anyone still think DRM like this is a good idea?

Anyway, it's not the release check software like I thought it was, so this is off-topic now.

I just used a crack in the end. This was absolute bollocks when I first tried playing on the 11th, to find the issue hadnt been fixed since the 8th, and to go over the weekend without my recently bought purchase. This should of been a top priority, and while I know bioware tried, fair enough, but this was a major issue.

Hate all you want, cracks are legal.

I also have no problems with account administration with ANY other software on my PC, and havnt had anything go wrong for as old as this tower is, 5 years old. This was the first time something like this had ever happened.

[Seifz]

Dansayshi wrote...

Seifz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Seifz wrote...


I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Log on as an admin, and also right-click the installer and also choose "Run As Administrator".  You could also try disabling UAC temporarily.  In any case, this is definitely Windows causing problems, as it is so often wont to do.

No, it's not Windows.  The problem is documented on the tech support forum here and it's a problem with the terrible DRM scheme that they've forced on us honest customers.  More specifically, the game isn't able to gather the data that it needs to authenticate my legitimate copy of the game with EA's servers.  BioWare is blaming this on a WMI corruption, but my system information is perfectly reported to every other program on the system.

The beta patch does not fix the problem, the engineers don't know what's actually causing the problem, and there's no ETA on fixing the problem.  My pirating roommate has no trouble playing his game, though!

Anyone still think DRM like this is a good idea?

Anyway, it's not the release check software like I thought it was, so this is off-topic now.

I just used a crack in the end. This was absolute bollocks when I first tried playing on the 11th, to find the issue hadnt been fixed since the 8th, and to go over the weekend without my recently bought purchase. This should of been a top priority, and while I know bioware tried, fair enough, but this was a major issue.

Hate all you want, cracks are legal.

I also have no problems with account administration with ANY other software on my PC, and havnt had anything go wrong for as old as this tower is, 5 years old. This was the first time something like this had ever happened.

Right.  DRM sucks.  I'm pretty sure that this is exactly what I was complaining about in the months prior to release.

[TacPlay]

RYG just linked the DRM in the game to SecuROM using SecuROM's own website with an easy step by step showing proof. Also an update on them reaching out to BioWare.

[Clammo]

TacPlay wrote...

RYG just linked the DRM in the game to SecuROM using SecuROM's own website with an easy step by step showing proof. Also an update on them reaching out to BioWare.

Yeah, I've seen it. It's absolutely farcical BS that Bioware and EA are still trying to claim this is not Securom.

[TacPlay]

Clammo wrote...

TacPlay wrote...

RYG just linked the DRM in the game to SecuROM using SecuROM's own website with an easy step by step showing proof. Also an update on them reaching out to BioWare.

Yeah, I've seen it. It's absolutely farcical BS that Bioware and EA are still trying to claim this is not Securom.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose 
By any other name would smell as sweet.." - Shakespeare

Moral? What matters is what something is, not what it is called.

[WanderingIdler]

Lafiniel wrote...

If only all game makers would do like GoG does but meeeh i guess we can all dream.

GOG's "DRM-free" policy has earned them my support and I've spent more on their games in the last few months than I've done on anyone else in the last year. Publishers will follow the money and if enough people support GOG, they'll sign up more games to it. Heck, even Ubisoft is increasing their catalogue on there.

Lafiniel wrote...

i will never uinstall Da2 becuase if i do i will never be able to reinstall couse the stupid "ur account does not have da2" ohhhh rlyyyy check my account i got signature and all of its dlc. bloody fakn **** drm.

I won't be installing DA2 because I have decided to *boycott* it over this DRM issue. It is clear from Chris' posting that EA/Bioware and Sony are trying to relabel it to make it seem inocuous but from the user perspective it does exactly the same thing as Securom Online does - giving the publisher the power to block any installation (as EA have demonstrated recently with Vware) and leaving users in the lurch if the publisher closes shop or decides to stop supporting the game.

What I find rather depressing is the number of posters here who seem to lack understanding of what this means for them and call it a "good thing". It's a rebranding exercise and most likely a precursor to more restrictive and intrusive measures.

For the record, I have bought Dragon Age: Origins and the Awakening expansion but boycotted the DLC (anyone at EA can verify this by checking my profile, showing zero downloads of the registered DLC) and the Ultimate Edition which I would have probably picked up if it avoided the activation requirement. I have boycotted every game requiring online activation from Half Life 2 up to Civilization 5 (including Mass Effect) and will instead support those developers and publishers who show respect for their consumers (Witcher 2, here I come!). In financial terms, EA/Bioware have lost over £100 (~US$140) of potential purchases from me due to their DRM.

If enough people boycott DA2 and similar products, then we'll likely see real backpedalling from EA - so if you value your rights as a consumer and gamer, here's your chance to show it!

[Lux]

Clammo wrote...

TacPlay wrote...

RYG just linked the DRM in the game to SecuROM using SecuROM's own website with an easy step by step showing proof. Also an update on them reaching out to BioWare.

Yeah, I've seen it. It's absolutely farcical BS that Bioware and EA are still trying to claim this is not Securom.

Technically, SecuROM Release Control and DRM are different products. EA/BioWare has reasonable people. I suspect they're under instructions to stick with the official statement; that the release control is not SecuROM but a product from Sony DADC. Saying otherwise or admitting to anything other than that could quite possibly place EA in legal troubles.

RYG may have been unrealistic in expecting a mea culpa, which seems to have been a cause for a collapse in communication.

There's a lesson to be learned  here. EA should be parting ways with Sony's digital solutions, under the current format.

Modifié par Merkar, 16 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[2484Stryker]

Just received my SE of DA2 from Amazon, but I'm reluctant to install it. I must admit I know next to nothing when it comes to DRM on games and their consequences. As far as I know, assuming that SecuROM is being used on DA2, the most it could do is to block my access of the game itself if I don't have an internet connection OR the SecuROM servers go down - am I correct?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

2484Stryker wrote...

Just received my SE of DA2 from Amazon, but I'm reluctant to install it. I must admit I know next to nothing when it comes to DRM on games and their consequences. As far as I know, assuming that SecuROM is being used on DA2, the most it could do is to block my access of the game itself if I don't have an internet connection OR the SecuROM servers go down - am I correct?

As has been repeated several times by the BioWare staff in this thread, and has been verified by many different players who have investigated on their own machines (as opposed to taking the word on one flawed report on a hostile website)  DA2 does NOT use SecuROM for DRM.  (Meaning, "Not to check each time you play to verify that you have a legitimate license for this instance of the game." Which is what the infamous secuROM DRM tool did.)

DA2 uses a Release-Date checking tool developed by the same team as the DRM tool, but it is NOT the secuROM program that causes the concern among the privacy/system owner rights crowd.  Once you have completed the one-time check after installation to "authorize" your game, the secuROM tool is removed.  (Yes, it does a poor job of its own uninstallation and leaves things littered in the registry and temp folders the way all too many Windows programs do....)

But use the 'BioWare Filter' to quickly see what they've said here, and over in this thread:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6509752.

Then read some other players' reports.

Then decide for yourself.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 16 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[2484Stryker]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

DA2 uses a Release-Date checking tool developed by the same team as the DRM tool, but it is NOT the secuROM program that causes the concern among the privacy/system owner rights crowd.  Once you have completed the one-time check after installation to "authorize" your game, the secuROM tool is removed.  (Yes, it does a poor job of its own uninstallation and leaves things littered in the registry and temp folders the way all too many Windows programs do....)

But use the 'BioWare Filter' to quickly see what they've said here, and over in this thread:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6509752.

Then read some other players' reports.

Then decide for yourself.

Will do.  Thanks!

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Autolycus wrote...

Funny Chris....still installs the securom registry entries.....

So...looks like Securom to me......

"secuROM" is the name of a line of software protection tools, and the team within Sony that builds them. 
They have many different ones. 

Just because it says "Ford" doesn't tell you if it's a "Focus", or an "F150"!

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 16 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[Seifz]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

2484Stryker wrote...

Just received my SE of DA2 from Amazon, but I'm reluctant to install it. I must admit I know next to nothing when it comes to DRM on games and their consequences. As far as I know, assuming that SecuROM is being used on DA2, the most it could do is to block my access of the game itself if I don't have an internet connection OR the SecuROM servers go down - am I correct?

As has been repeated several times by the BioWare staff in this thread, and has been verified by many different players who have investigated on their own machines (as opposed to taking the word on one flawed report on a hostile website)  DA2 does NOT use SecuROM for DRM.  (Meaning, "Not to check each time you play to verify that you have a legitimate license for this instance of the game." Which is what the infamous secuROM DRM tool did.)

According to BioWare, DA2 does regularly check in if you have an active Internet connection.  It might not be every time you launch the game, but it does happen.  Regardless, this feature is supposed to be using EA's own DRM software, not SecuROM.

DA2 uses a Release-Date checking tool developed by the same team as the DRM tool, but it is NOT the secuROM program that causes the concern among the privacy/system owner rights crowd.  Once you have completed the one-time check after installation to "authorize" your game, the secuROM tool is removed.  (Yes, it does a poor job of its own uninstallation and leaves things littered in the registry and temp folders the way all too many Windows programs do....)

There's plenty for the privacy rights crowd to be worried about with this particular SecuROM tool (and it is a SecuROM tool whether EA wants to admit it or not).  What information is it collecting and sending?  What happens if Sony's servers are down when we install or reinstall the game?  What happens when it just doesn't work and legitimate buyers can't play their games?

As for registry entries, I can't imagine why such a simple utility that's only meant to check the date and receive a decryption key could possibly need any registry entries at all.  The registry exists to store system-wide configuration values which are trivial to remove upon uninstall.  Don't make excuses for terrible software.

But use the 'BioWare Filter' to quickly see what they've said here, and over in this thread:  social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6509752.

Then read some other players' reports.

Then decide for yourself.

Be sure to also read the recent articles at http://www.reclaimyourgame.com for more factual information on the DRM and SecuROM tools used in DA2 as well as information for removing the SecuROM.

EDIT:  URL fixed.

Modifié par Seifz, 17 mars 2011 - 02:47 .

[Sblade]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

Autolycus wrote...

Funny Chris....still installs the securom registry entries.....

So...looks like Securom to me......

"secuROM" is the name of a line of software protection tools, and the team within Sony that builds them. 
They have many different ones. 

Just because it says "Ford" doesn't tell you if it's a "Focus", or an "F150"!

Connecting Dragon Age 2 Release Control to Securom

But if you´ve spent money let´s say on a Focus, and let´s say the car gives you problems every week and you need the car to go to work...

Company refuses to refund money or give a new car...

You get later told by a collegue. Hey I can get a new car for you. You say, "okay but not a Ford Focus".

Are you not gonna be a little pissed off if you find your collegue has bought to you another Ford, even if it is another model?

That´s the main issue here


And as for the Securom Release Check not being part of Securom DRM solutions..... this is false, nothing more.


DRM definition


Digital rights management (DRM) is a term for access control technologies that are used by hardware manufacturers, publishers, copyright
holders and individuals to limit the use of digital content and
devices. The term is used to describe any technology that inhibits uses of digital content that is not desired or intended by the content provider.


The Securom/Soiny DADC Release Check inhibits the use of the digital content Dragon Age 2 until the desired street date arrives, so  yes, it is technically one form of Digital Rights Management.

If you want a more detailed view, you can view so at www.reclaimyourgame.com

direct link  below

Connecting Dragon Age 2 Release Control to Securom

You are more than welcome for questions at our forums.

Modifié par Sblade, 16 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[DocRemo]

To all you paranoid players who don't believe anyone...
I am running Windows XP with the same set-up I used for DA Origins. The game and all DLC installed without a problem. After running Disk Cleanup and Registry Mechanic followed by a system restart, I found no evidence of Securom on my system. All I can suggest to the conspiracy theorists is that you have a bad case of user error with a dash of incompetance thrown in. Sites like Reclaim Your Game are just looking for attention. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. DA2 looks like a winner.

Modifié par DocRemo, 16 mars 2011 - 08:08 .

[Seifz]

DocRemo wrote...

To all you paranoid players who don't believe anyone...
I am running Windows XP with the same set-up I used for DA Origins. The game and all DLC installed without a problem. After running Disk Cleanup and Registry Mechanic followed by a system restart, I found no evidence of Securom on my system. All I can suggest to the conspiracy theorists is that you have a bad case of user error with a dash of incompetance thrown in. Sites like Reclaim Your Game are just looking for attention. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. DA2 looks like a winner.

1.  Insert disc, let Windows run the autoplay.
2.  Install game with the default options.
3.  Game fails to launch.

Yeah, lots of room for user error there.  I must be incompetent.

Anyway, RYG supports its articles with direct evidence from the SecuROM website and quotes from EA and BioWare.  It's not some conspiracy theory just to make EA look bad.  It's reality.  EA lied, they were caught, and now they've been entirely silent about all of us who can't even play the game that we paid for because of their ****ty DRM.

[TacPlay]

DocRemo wrote...

To all you paranoid players who don't believe anyone...
I am running Windows XP with the same set-up I used for DA Origins. The game and all DLC installed without a problem. After running Disk Cleanup and Registry Mechanic followed by a system restart, I found no evidence of Securom on my system. All I can suggest to the conspiracy theorists is that you have a bad case of user error with a dash of incompetance thrown in. Sites like Reclaim Your Game are just looking for attention. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. DA2 looks like a winner.

But I read online that there is no SecuROM in DA2!!! I guess I will have to go with what I am SEEING on my harddrive and beleave there is.

[DJBare]

Shouldn't the discussion center on the fact that it was not originally disclosed there is a connection to SecuROM, whether it's benign is besides the point, the fact remains it was not originally disclosed before the games release, of course they knew the backlash it would receive, the makers of SecuROM are hardly a trusted entity.

[didymos1120]

WanderingIdler wrote...
I won't be installing DA2 because I have decided to *boycott* it over this DRM issue.

Well, you know, you already bought it.  Not a very effective boycott.

[Kyda]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

kinseeker35 wrote...

Its only nessesary when you frist install i think.

But it's necessary every time you install the game.  You're installed now, but if you get a new Windows installation or a new PC, you'll need to reinstall.

I've installed Baldur's Gate repeatedly over the past 12 years.  I'm about to install it again (I damaged my last install experimenting with BGTutu).  If I buy a game, I want to be able to use it forever.

How many times can you actually re install the game (DA2)?

[didymos1120]

Seifz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Seifz wrote...


I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Log on as an admin, and also right-click the installer and also choose "Run As Administrator".  You could also try disabling UAC temporarily.  In any case, this is definitely Windows causing problems, as it is so often wont to do.

No, it's not Windows.  The problem is documented on the tech support forum here and it's a problem with the terrible DRM scheme that they've forced on us honest customers.

Well, OK, re-read your post. I see it's happening when the date-checker runs.  It's still Windows that's denying it access though.  The program itself isn't getting the chance to do anything.

[Seifz]

didymos1120 wrote...

Seifz wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Seifz wrote...


I've tried running with my usual user account and as administrator, but I get the error in both cases.

Log on as an admin, and also right-click the installer and also choose "Run As Administrator".  You could also try disabling UAC temporarily.  In any case, this is definitely Windows causing problems, as it is so often wont to do.

No, it's not Windows.  The problem is documented on the tech support forum here and it's a problem with the terrible DRM scheme that they've forced on us honest customers.

Well, OK, re-read your post. I see it's happening when the date-checker runs.  It's still Windows that's denying it access though.  The program itself isn't getting the chance to do anything.

No it's not.  It's a bug in the DRM.  Every other program that I've ever run on every version of Windows ever has had no trouble accessing my hardware information.  Only DA2 fails.  Windows has plenty of flaws, but don't blame Windows for things EA did wrong.

[nightlordv]

I am so glad I bought the game through Steam. They use their own verification programs and I never had any problems with them.