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[MartinPham]

Kkuros wrote...

Well ... I have this to say.

Bioware. You LIED to us. Say what you will, but a Registry search for SecuROM on my computer brought up a positive. So, if it was Sony DADC and NOT SecuROM, shouldnt the registry say Sony DADC and NOT SecuROM?

I have VERY few games installed right now. I know none of the others have SecuROM. So ... what does that leave?

Yep! You guessed it! Bioware, YOU lied to us.

I found the files. The activation program says (Sony DADC), and another file (a dll) which clearly says (SecuROM).

So ... what am I supposed to think when all evidence on my computer says that SecuROM has been installed? Am I supposed to blindly believe you? Sorry, I'm not stupid.

I'm asking one thing right now.

WHEN IS A PATCH TO REMOVE SECUROM AND AN APOLOGY FOR LYING TO US ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF SECUROM FORTHCOMING?

They've released the patch HERE. If you're doing a clean install you can apply the patch and it'll bypass SecuROM's Release Control. If you've already got the game installed it won't remove the SecuROM-related files, folders and registry keys. Those need to be manually removed.

[GreyLord]

MartinPham wrote...

Kkuros wrote...

Well ... I have this to say.

Bioware. You LIED to us. Say what you will, but a Registry search for SecuROM on my computer brought up a positive. So, if it was Sony DADC and NOT SecuROM, shouldnt the registry say Sony DADC and NOT SecuROM?

I have VERY few games installed right now. I know none of the others have SecuROM. So ... what does that leave?

Yep! You guessed it! Bioware, YOU lied to us.

I found the files. The activation program says (Sony DADC), and another file (a dll) which clearly says (SecuROM).

So ... what am I supposed to think when all evidence on my computer says that SecuROM has been installed? Am I supposed to blindly believe you? Sorry, I'm not stupid.

I'm asking one thing right now.

WHEN IS A PATCH TO REMOVE SECUROM AND AN APOLOGY FOR LYING TO US ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF SECUROM FORTHCOMING?

They've released the patch HERE. If you're doing a clean install you can apply the patch and it'll bypass SecuROM's Release Control. If you've already got the game installed it won't remove the SecuROM-related files, folders and registry keys. Those need to be manually removed.

Will it?


[*]Fixed release control issues where some players were unable to unlock correctly

Technically there should be no need for Release control at this point as all dates are past...BUT it doesn't say it bypasses it...it merely says it fixes some issues.  Can anyone verify that they actually did a sunset on the RC?

[justposting]

Back when I installed DA:O (bought it on Direct2Drive) I had to waste 2 hours to get it running (some DRM stuff didn't get installed properly, had to download it and run it manually and ... - was ****ing hard to find a tutorial how to fix the problem on google).

You could argue that returning the game would've been the better option, BUT direct2drive doesn't really like the idea of giving you back your money AFTER you installed the game (which I did, it just didn't start because of the DRM crap). Actually I can understand direct2drive since if they returned your money after you installed it you could easily download games, install them, crack them and then ask for a return of money and keep the game.

If EA thinks I'm going to pay a dime for DA2 they sure are thinking wrong. In my books EA still owes me 60 bucks (2 hours of work).

Btw. DRM didn't help securing DA2 at all. DA2 has been pirated, repacked and put online before release.

[Seifz]

GreyLord wrote...

MartinPham wrote...

Kkuros wrote...

Well ... I have this to say.

Bioware. You LIED to us. Say what you will, but a Registry search for SecuROM on my computer brought up a positive. So, if it was Sony DADC and NOT SecuROM, shouldnt the registry say Sony DADC and NOT SecuROM?

I have VERY few games installed right now. I know none of the others have SecuROM. So ... what does that leave?

Yep! You guessed it! Bioware, YOU lied to us.

I found the files. The activation program says (Sony DADC), and another file (a dll) which clearly says (SecuROM).

So ... what am I supposed to think when all evidence on my computer says that SecuROM has been installed? Am I supposed to blindly believe you? Sorry, I'm not stupid.

I'm asking one thing right now.

WHEN IS A PATCH TO REMOVE SECUROM AND AN APOLOGY FOR LYING TO US ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF SECUROM FORTHCOMING?

They've released the patch HERE. If you're doing a clean install you can apply the patch and it'll bypass SecuROM's Release Control. If you've already got the game installed it won't remove the SecuROM-related files, folders and registry keys. Those need to be manually removed.

Will it?


[*]Fixed release control issues where some players were unable to unlock correctly

Technically there should be no need for Release control at this point as all dates are past...BUT it doesn't say it bypasses it...it merely says it fixes some issues.  Can anyone verify that they actually did a sunset on the RC?

When I first installed the game, I got all the SecuROM nonsense in my registry and temp folders.  Since then, I've reinstalled the game and patched before running it for the first time.  I no longer get any SecuROM registry entries or temp folders.  So, it looks like they really did patch out the SecuROM check.

That still doesn't help anyone who's purchasing the game unaware, though!

[GreyLord]

WOW...that's a first. Maybe they finally DID patch out the SecuRom stuff for once. Someone should make this more public in that case in relation to the patch. I may actually buy the PC version now if that's the case...which is ironic since I didn't really care for the game...BUT I would show my support for the company if they did something like that.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

It was always just the release-date check. No need after that date passed...

[Seifz]

Thandal NLyman wrote...

It was always just the release-date check. No need after that date passed...

It'll still be there on every disc that's purchased and with every unpatched digital copy.  It'll still be there on the majority of PCs that are patched, too, just because tons of people don't know how to remove it.  Bad stuff.

It's too bad that they won't patch out the other DRM, though, since we're well passed the point of cracking it and it no longer serves a useful function.  I'd really like to play my game...

[WanderingIdler]

Seifz wrote...

When I first installed the game, I got all the SecuROM nonsense in my registry and temp folders.  Since then, I've reinstalled the game and patched before running it for the first time.  I no longer get any SecuROM registry entries or temp folders.  So, it looks like they really did patch out the SecuROM check.

Did you try installing it while offline? If not, then it almost certainly did the activation check without you noticing (unless you are running a properly-set-up third party firewall) which then means diddly-squat.

Getting hung up over registry entries or temporary files is, I respectfully suggest, a mistake. The problem is the mandatory online check (which could only be removed by supplying a replacement installer for those with DVD versions, as you point out, along with a patched .exe to disable the system check it runs on startup) which can fail for a number of reasons totally beyond user control. There's nothing in the patch notes to suggest that this has been removed.

Modifié par WanderingIdler, 20 mars 2011 - 08:29 .

[Seifz]

WanderingIdler wrote...

Seifz wrote...

When I first installed the game, I got all the SecuROM nonsense in my registry and temp folders.  Since then, I've reinstalled the game and patched before running it for the first time.  I no longer get any SecuROM registry entries or temp folders.  So, it looks like they really did patch out the SecuROM check.

Did you try installing it while offline? If not, then it almost certainly did the activation check without you noticing (unless you are running a properly-set-up third party firewall) which then means diddly-squat.

The installer does not launch the release check software.  The SecuROM release check is only launched when you attempt to play the game for the first time.

Regardless, I did try to install and play offline in hopes that I could trick the game into bypassing the second authentication check, but no luck there.

Getting hung up over registry entries or temporary files is, I respectfully suggest, a mistake. The problem is the mandatory online check (which could only be removed by supplying a replacement installer for those with DVD versions, as you point out, along with a patched .exe to disable the system check it runs on startup) which can fail for a number of reasons totally beyond user control. There's nothing in the patch notes to suggest that this has been removed.

I believe that you are confusing the release control check with the authentication check.

[WanderingIdler]

Seifz wrote...

The installer does not launch the release check software.  The SecuROM release check is only launched when you attempt to play the game for the first time.

Thanks for the clarification. Just to be absolutely clear, are you saying that no online access is needed for the installation itself?

Seifz wrote...

Regardless, I did try to install and play offline in hopes that I could trick the game into bypassing the second authentication check, but no luck there.

So whatever changes the patch made, removing the online check wasn't one of them. Thanks for confirming that too.

Seifz wrote...

I believe that you are confusing the release control check with the authentication check.

Aren't they both done at the same time?

[Kloreep]

Seifz wrote...

When I first installed the game, I got all the SecuROM nonsense in my
registry and temp folders.  Since then, I've reinstalled the game and
patched before running it for the first time.  I no longer get any
SecuROM registry entries or temp folders.  So, it looks like they really
did patch out the SecuROM check.



That still doesn't help anyone who's purchasing the game unaware, though!

Thanks for the confirmation. This long after 1.01's release with no posts from Bioware saying "hey, we removed it!" I had figured it hadn't been, since I would think that would be something they'd want to get out there. Good to hear they were on top of removing the RC in the very first patch. *thumbs up*

[Debakoleriker]

http://www.escapistm...ss-Dragon-Age-2

[Kayden SiNafey]

Debakoleriker wrote...

http://www.escapistm...ss-Dragon-Age-2

Nice.

[Aprudena Gist]

Using only "part" of securom is still using securom this is going to end up in another stupid class action lawsuit that it going to cost your company a **** ton of money, again. Why you even bother to use a "little" bit of if is stupid.

[Lee T]

Debakoleriker wrote...

http://www.escapistm...ss-Dragon-Age-2

Kinda ironic when you check on their review of the game.

[Valaskjalf]

Aprudena Gist wrote...

Using only "part" of securom is still using securom this is going to end up in another stupid class action lawsuit that it going to cost your company a **** ton of money, again. Why you even bother to use a "little" bit of if is stupid.

You would have to prove it is malicious, which would fail. 

[Nostradumbazz]

I have 1200 others on board to sue Bioware and EA for the security breach "LIE" and if others pc's are infected as ours were...drop me a line to get on board. Is anyone having the issue of having companions tactics reset after every level up?

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Nostradumbazz wrote...
Is anyone having the issue of having companions tactics reset after every level up?

No.

Modifié par Thandal NLyman, 22 mars 2011 - 02:14 .

[Aprudena Gist]

Valaskjalf wrote...

Aprudena Gist wrote...

Using only "part" of securom is still using securom this is going to end up in another stupid class action lawsuit that it going to cost your company a **** ton of money, again. Why you even bother to use a "little" bit of if is stupid.

You would have to prove it is malicious, which would fail. 

Nope after EA lost that class action lawsuit about spore and SecuROM they have to disclose in any game that they have that they are putting in SecurROM and in this case they did not so they would definitley be open to another class action lawsuit because of it.

[Thandal N'Lyman]

Aprudena Gist wrote...

Valaskjalf wrote...

Aprudena Gist wrote...

Using only "part" of securom is still using securom this is going to end up in another stupid class action lawsuit that it going to cost your company a **** ton of money, again. Why you even bother to use a "little" bit of if is stupid.

You would have to prove it is malicious, which would fail. 

Nope after EA lost that class action lawsuit about spore and SecuROM they have to disclose in any game that they have that they are putting in SecurROM and in this case they did not so they would definitley be open to another class action lawsuit because of it.

So... You've read the actual judgement/consent decree documents from that case, analyzed the technical implications of it, and also analyzed the contents and operation of the release-date checking mechanism to determine that it was one of the "enjoined practices" covered under that judgement? 

[TacPlay]

You can read the info here. The images are towards the bottom. We all could due to be a little more informed, don't ya think? Hint.. Hint.. EA.

http://www.reclaimyo...ghlight=lawsuit

[BarbSwift62]

TacPlay wrote...

You can read the info here. The images are towards the bottom. We all could due to be a little more informed, don't ya think? Hint.. Hint.. EA.

http://www.reclaimyo...ghlight=lawsuit

Wow... Thank you TacPlay   That's pretty damning for EA/Bioware seeing as how they are both the same company by association and because Bioware is child company of EA.

After reading a lot of threads in here the last few days, I won't be convinced that Bioware had no idea about the inclusion of SecuROM in Dragon Age 2.... unless they are TOTALLY ignorant, which I don't believe for a minute.

Anyone who hasn't visited the link that TacPlay has in his post... I definitely recommend it! Specifically reply #7 which has screenshots from the PDF court documents. Yep, they Broke the Rules and then LIED about it to save their  ***.

I'd say that EA is in for another class Action against them for not telling everyone beforehand that they were using a Sony/SonyDADC/SecuROM product for DA2. To me, it doesn't matter if it's only a simple pretty harmless version of SecuROM or not... it's the fact that it IS a SecuROM product, it WASN'T disclosed and when caught out, they blatantly lied to everyone about it. Not a company I will ever trust again.

My final words in this thread!!!!  Thank you *Reclaim Your Game* for doing EA/Bioware's job, bacause without you, most of us wouldn't have known that we were being blatanly lied to. And that EA is stupid enough to chance ending back in court and I HOPE THEY DO. It's bad enough that they lie to us, but breaking a US Court Settlement Agreement, acknowlegded and signed in the courts is not a smart move for anyone and I hope anyone here that isn't happy about what they have done, contacts one of the lawyers that handled the last lot of class actions against EA when they screwed up last time. I saw a list on Reclaim Your Game of 5 class actions from a few years ago. If not, maybe join them and ask if they know of a good one. Looks like they were the ones who helped people last time or at least helped with gathering the evidence for the lawsuits. There is quite a few very interesting articles on that site and I'll be making sure I read all of them and keep up to date with what's going into games that I'm thinking of purchasing. Because I was still saving to buy DA2, but now, I'll keep my money in my pocket and spend it on another game that has nothing to do with EA. They don't deserve a cent of mine.
No one lies to me and gets away with it, they're especially not being rewarded with any of my money. >

This particular screenshot is what you all really need to see http://img14.imagesh...isclosures.jpg/

I'll leave you all in here and go read some other threads now.

Edited because apparently I can't spell the simple words 

Modifié par BarbSwift62, 22 mars 2011 - 11:05 .

[imatechguy]

I'm disappointed in you Bioware.  I purchased DA:O before I even knew if it would work on my computer (Linux user here) to support your decision for a disk check only.  I couldn't play the game for the next 4 months until some things got sorted in WINE, but it now works well enough to play and then you do something like this for the sequel... disappointing to be sure.

Chris Priestly wrote...

Hi Everyone.

Some people are still questioning the Dragon Age II DRM (Digital Rights Management), specifically whether or not a system called SecuROM is used or not.

Dragon Age II does not use SecuROM DRM. Any statements made to the contrary are false. The confusion stems from the use of Release Control which is also made by Sony. Release Control was employed to protect the game against usage prior to its release date. These are two different technologies with different purposes. Release Control in no way affects users’ rights to access after launch, and its executable automatically deletes itself once the Release Control process is finished. For more information, please visit Dragon Age II Support.

Mr. Priestly sir, you are not being forthright and you know it.  Per Sony DADC's own site "Release Control" IS in fact a component of SecuROM.  Using such invasive anti-consumer methods would merely prevent me from purchasing such a title.  Being deceptive about it as EA and Bioware have clearly been will prevent me from being a return customer.  Add me to the lost sale due to the DRM column as well as the former customer due to the deceptive tactics column.

LINKING RELEASE CONTROL TO SECUROM:
http://www.reclaimyo...rol”-To-SecuROM
 
 

[City6]

The arguement they are trying to make is that SecuROM DRM is not the same as SecuROM Release Control.

However, this arguement is irrelevant: the ruling's conditions for future releases were not about SecuROM DRM, but the totality of SecuROM. They admitted in the original post that SecuROM Release Control is a facet of SecuROM (Release Control is from the "Sony SecuROM technology group").

The ruling specifies SecuROM (ie "the technology group") not SecuROM DRM (the specific program).

The relevant page from the ruling which states this is the one posted in the previous post (http://img14.imagesh...isclosures.jpg/).


EA/Bioware have violated this ruling. It's not a question of arguement, it's a definitional fact.

Modifié par City6, 23 mars 2011 - 02:43 .

[TacPlay]

Not a problem BarbSwift. I like to find info for myself rather than take the words of people who proven they are not trust worthy. If your interested there are more similar cases about the same thing. The list and contact info of the lawyer, Alan Himmelfarb, is here.

http://www.reclaimyo...ecuROM-Collated

The problem here is not that it is DRM.. the problem is that they did not say that it was SecuROM, in fact tried to cover it up with slick marketing when they were orderd to dislose if they used SecuROM. Really.. if they cared about there customers they would not need a court order for that. Think about it.

Modifié par TacPlay, 23 mars 2011 - 12:14 .