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[petitcomique]

Can we have the oh so madly erotic scenes without the annoying underwear ? :-)

I found the solution Bioware developped for Masseffect quite nice, playing with the angles the way they did and was hence pretty much disappointed to see the underwear make an appearance in my romance moments...

I am not asking for full blown hawt pr0n, just for somethign which feels natural. Unless anatomy in Ferelden makes intimacy unproblematical even when wearing undies ;-)  

Modifié par petitcomique, 27 novembre 2009 - 12:19 .

[Stanley Woo]

If you're going to quote someone, make sure you're not quoting inappropriate links or objectionable language, because such things are not permitted in the BioWare Social Network. Quoting it is just as bad as writing it yourself, since it appears in a post you submit to be posted.

[Stanley Woo]

How about we decided we didn't want to go the explicit sex and nudity route, and believe that tasteful romance and sex scenes fit the game, game world, genre, and medium better than explicit sex would?



How about we want to appeal to as many people as possible, and having explicit sex and/or nudity would be counter-productive?



How about we're not making a movie or a sex game, and while it is possible to have tasteful full frontal or sex, you'll have to look elsewhere for it?



How about it doesn't matter how much time we have, it is unlikely that we will decide to include explicit sex and/or nudity in our game?



The soapboxing, nationalism, and personal tolerances have nothing to do with this being our game and we decide what to include and exclude, for various reasons. If y'all are truly "mature" enough to accept sex and violence in your games, you should also be mature enough to accept a lack of sex and violence in your games.

[Stanley Woo]

SkiTheMadRussian wrote...

Dnarris wrote...
How about you mind your business and let us chat amongst ourselves and you back to whatever Bioware is paying you to do.

Agreed. These "Bioware" folks that post in this manner are clowns. Guess what, we BOUGHT this game. Which technically makes it ours now too. Folks here don't have a problem with sex NOT being in this game or with it BEING in this game. Its the fact that its done very very poorly and ruins the atmosphere.

Sorry, I didn't realize that developer responses here would be so frowned upon, considering the subject being discussed. I also didn't realize that personal opinion equalled fact and/or consensus.

[Stanley Woo]

Zenon wrote...

@Stanley Woo:

Your answering style suggests, that you have no clue and just try to imply we are a filthy lot. Thank you very much for answering aggressively to fans of the game adding their personal opinion on the way the romantic scenes are handled in the game. That helps us to understand.

I am well aware of how thing could have been done. I merely disagree that things should have been done a certain way, since everyone's got a slightly different opinion on how bad the scenes were, different tolerances of nudity and sex in their games, and whether such things can or should be "patched".

Hindsight is always 20/20, and it's much, much easier to criticize the way somehting was done--especially here on the internet--than it is to try and please everyone all the time. As for the aggressive tone: I'm sorry, but I tend to respond in the way people criticize, because, here on the internet, it seems that's the only way some people know how to talk--in terms of absolutes, hyperbole, and a certain level of certainty (read: arrogance).

So the point of most posters here is, that Bioware chose to show a "love" scene with a sensuous touch without blacking out after the initial kiss. Especially with Morrigan the bra looks a bit out of place. I enjoy the game anyway, but still it seems more like a trade-off for US rating and avoiding such ridiculous discussions like the infamous "coffee shop" scene in GTA4 (?) ... (Not sure about which GTA exactly, since I don't have or play this. Saw a vid in youtube and after reading about this outrageous uproar it caused, the actual video of the scene made me laugh my head off.)

I don't know that anything was done as a "trade-off" with Dragon Age. It is a different product than Mass Effect, developed by a different team than Mass Effect, with a different vision than Mass Effect. Personally, while I don't care for the underwear on the models, either, I think the scenes are not terrible. Could they be improved? Absolutely. Should they be improved? Well, no game is perfect, and I generally disagree that we should devote time and effort into something that is merely disagreeable rather than game-breaking.

Bioware has proven with ME already how nicely they can do a well made love scene with a great balance between erotic and romance without becoming too prudish, nor too explicit.

I hope someone else from Bioware, like Mike Laidlaw, reads this too. I quote:
"From the makers of Mass Effect™, Star Wars®: Knights of the Old Republic™, and Baldur's Gate™ comes an epic tale of violence, lust, and betrayal."

The "lust"-part seems to be a lot more restricted than the violence part... We are not trying to flame Bioware, but like to explore this topic and figure out if there is a chance for this kind of art to show a similar level of (virtual) skin as a normal cinema movie does. We are not talking about porn or any of the like.

I love this game also with Morrigan wearing her bra. Besides there probably will be plenty of mods -- probably soon enough some including nudity for those players, who like it. I also have no problem with that. And I think Bioware doesn't either.

My guess is similar to other people's speculation, that Bioware and EA wanted to avoid any public discussion or bad press concerning the nudity part.

I think it's just that whatever decision we make, someone is going to be offended by it or unhappy with it. You can see how people react to us not including more explicit sex and violence in the game. There is no way that we could change (or not change) the game and magically please everyone.

[Stanley Woo]

Hey, Spawn305, Crawling_Chaos, how about you both take your hate for each other and get a room, so you can compare how in private just how not-pathetic and not-childish you are? I'm really not interested in your pissing contest, and this thread is not for the kind of anti-religious, foul-mouthed, juvenile oneupsmanship you two are currently engaged in.



Cut it out and grow up, both of you!

[Stanley Woo]

The Hunt is On wrote...

Quick question for Stanely.

You said: "How about we want to appeal to as many people as possible, and having explicit sex and/or nudity would be counter-productive?"

Looking at the case of my game, I see a big M on it, M for mature, which means 18+. Now, I'm not trying to be disrespectful or start trouble, but aren't you already alienating a large portion of your customer base just by having "M" as a rating? Why not push the bar a bit further since the game is already labeled as an adult dark fantasy rpg? Curious is all.

Where do you draw the line when "pushing the bar a bit further"? It's not like we drew a graph and calculated mateiculously just what percentage of our player base we would alienate with which feature. It's a matter of the project managers looking at  everything and saying "okay, we're drawing the line here." These decisions are made with consideration for not only the work we are currently doing, but with what our own developers are comfortable with, what our leaders and the leaders at EA will accept, and, believe it or not, how other countries and regions might take it.

You, the player base, may not be aware of it, but when developing a product for a global market, we have to make sure that the game will not be offensive or break the laws of other regions. Some regions may not allow any depiction of violence against children, for example, or may not allow realistic blood and gore, or may have problems with smoking being shown, or whatever. Names have to be changed because they might mean something offensive in a different language. GUI and text have to be able to support different sized words and sentences, not to mention special characters. And all of this is done so that, when localizing the game for other regions, we aren't completely re-making the game.

Now, look at your own situation. You are okay with us pushing the envelope a bit and showing explicit nudity, some bare breasts, maybe even full frontal. Maybe someone else is okay with full frontal nudity on both male and female characters, maybe some want to see explicit sex, and maybe some aren't too comfortable with any of that. So given the tolerances of you, the comfortable one, and Joe Gamer, the uncomfortable one, who do we build the game for?

Stephen King writes horror novels, and I don't think he has any explicit sex in his books. Romance novels, while containing explicit sex, couches it all in euphemistic language. Films and television prefer to emphasize sideboob and tease the nudity, rather than displaying it outright, due to audience tolerance and various broadcasting regulations. Why do those producers choose to do all of that, when they all arguably develop material for a mature, adult audience? At some point, they settled on a limit for what they're willing to portray, whether it's due to artistic license, what the audience will bear, what is marketable, or, what the audience expects from that type of product.

Videogames don't usually contain explicit nudity and sex. That's just the way the industry is right now. And we make videogames. We push the limits on mature storytelling and concepts and dialogue, and that's where we're comfortable right now, I suppose. Explicit sex and nudity in games will have to wait. Yes, some players are totally okay with it, but as we've seen in this very thread, not all players are even remotely mature enough to handle even this much sex and nudity yet.

[Stanley Woo]

Crazy. I wasn't aware of any of that stuff in Stephen King's work. I guess I just haven't read enough of it.

[Stanley Woo]

I think we're done with this discussion, thank you.



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