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[Erasculio]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Because he has INTEGRITY.

Ah, I see. "Integrity" to hint at oral sex between a guard and a servant (one of the last rooms when the characters are disguised as soldiers) while claiming here that fading to black instead of showing half assed (literally) sex scenes would be immoral.

[Draguling]

In Arcanum you could do a sheep. <3

[Wishpig]

I want a sex mini-game like in God of War 2!



Oh yeah baby, oh yeah, I'm gonna pound your y button SO HARD!

[Gidzen]

[quote]Suprez30 wrote...

I keep thinking how they could have done it  ... No need to show ****** or ass .. But don't show either the underwear.It's just feel strange to see moriggan orgasm with her bra and panties on.


That just retarded.

quote]

I must have blinked, all I saw was her stone face and his eyes rolling (oh excuse me, My eyes rolling..it is role playing).

I'm going to replay... this time I'll take my armor off before I initiate the conversation...

He could have at teast start showing a bonner!!!!!!!!!!

[JonDwarf]

Haha...



*Hijack* Dwarven Hot Coffee MOD would be great just to see it come up on a News Reel.

[JonDwarf]

Sidenote: Anyone watch the clips in the Collector's Edition?

There seemed to be some hawtyer action for about 2 - 3 seconds. If it's outtakes from the developers goofing around there probly is some DA pr0n sitting on a developer's HDD

Question now is which employee at BioWare will confess/leak it to the public? 

Modifié par JonDwarf, 19 novembre 2009 - 09:30 .

[Alexspeed]

Does Ferelden have some bizarre zero tolerance policy in regards to nipples?

No ?

.... oh i see... that was the USA...

Big market there, so anyone making Media has to carter to the nudity tastes of the States even if its labeled 18+ thats all.

[showergel]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Right, so you're perfectly OK with a super violent game, but once you get a bare nipple in there... WHOA too far.

Because he has INTEGRITY.

By integrity you must mean a convoluted set of principles brought about by a puritanical mind-set that shuns the human body, making you believe that sexuality and the naked form are evil and disgusting.

Combined with a desensitization to violence that thinks it's alright for games to have gratuitous amounts of graphic violence and gore, even though a bare nipple would cause him to feel uncomfortable.

That's some good integrity you got there.

I love your posts

[dan107]

Acemath wrote...

Is this thread stll open?This won't get us anywhere.There are people pro adult patching and people against it.It's always been like that and always will be like that...

Actually according to this thread, and to my poll -- http://social.biowar...6336/polls/685/ -- we're not exactly talking a 50/50 split here. People are overwhelmingly (85%) in favor of AT LEAST tasteful nudity with only 8% against. Know your audience Bioware. :innocent:

Modifié par dan107, 20 novembre 2009 - 02:32 .

[Dnarris]

dan107 wrote...

Acemath wrote...

Is this thread stll open?This won't get us anywhere.There are people pro adult patching and people against it.It's always been like that and always will be like that...

Actually according to this thread, and to my poll -- http://social.biowar...6336/polls/685/ -- we're not exactly talking a 50/50 split here. People are overwhelmingly (85%) in favor of AT LEAST tasteful nudity with only 8% against. Know your audience Bioware. :innocent:

While I haven't taken the poll, I'd be counting among the majority on that poll.

However, when address "the audience" in reference to those that would buy or are targetted for purchase of the game we are talking about 85% of the people that took the poll, which is a small subsection of those that actually use the forums which in turn is a small subsection of the people that purchased the game which is again a subsection of those that were targetted by the advertisement.

So....how much of the targetted audience really support "nudity" in any given form.

[dan107]

Dnarris wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Acemath wrote...

Is this thread stll open?This won't get us anywhere.There are people pro adult patching and people against it.It's always been like that and always will be like that...

Actually according to this thread, and to my poll -- http://social.biowar...6336/polls/685/ -- we're not exactly talking a 50/50 split here. People are overwhelmingly (85%) in favor of AT LEAST tasteful nudity with only 8% against. Know your audience Bioware. :innocent:

While I haven't taken the poll, I'd be counting among the majority on that poll.

However, when address "the audience" in reference to those that would buy or are targetted for purchase of the game we are talking about 85% of the people that took the poll, which is a small subsection of those that actually use the forums which in turn is a small subsection of the people that purchased the game which is again a subsection of those that were targetted by the advertisement.

So....how much of the targetted audience really support "nudity" in any given form.

If the poll was something like "What's better DA or Halo?" then you'd have a point as obviously the majority of the people here are biased towards DA. However, there is no reason to believe that the people who frequent these forums are any more or less conservative than the average gamer when it comes to sex and nudity. So I'd say the poll is pretty representative. To put things in perspective, professional pollsters usually use a sample size of about 1,000 to gauge the opinion of millions with about a 5% margin of error.

Modifié par dan107, 20 novembre 2009 - 04:15 .

[Sword For Hire]

i love you google!

[TheMadCat]

Dnarris wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Acemath wrote...

Is this thread stll open?This won't get us anywhere.There are people pro adult patching and people against it.It's always been like that and always will be like that...

Actually according to this thread, and to my poll -- http://social.biowar...6336/polls/685/ -- we're not exactly talking a 50/50 split here. People are overwhelmingly (85%) in favor of AT LEAST tasteful nudity with only 8% against. Know your audience Bioware. :innocent:

While I haven't taken the poll, I'd be counting among the majority on that poll.

However, when address "the audience" in reference to those that would buy or are targetted for purchase of the game we are talking about 85% of the people that took the poll, which is a small subsection of those that actually use the forums which in turn is a small subsection of the people that purchased the game which is again a subsection of those that were targetted by the advertisement.

So....how much of the targetted audience really support "nudity" in any given form.

Well knock off the targeted audience part, it's safe to assume that if their targetted audience didn't get offended by everything prior to the scene the scene itself wasn't going to make their eyes boil. I do agree though that poll isn't exactly a reliable representation of the audiences feelings, an extremely small sample size from a group of more passionate gamers I would think. Get 5,000 votes and perhaps one can start drawing a more realistic conclusion, but with a tad over 100 votes, eh. I'd bet the barn though somewhere between 60%-70% would agree with the tasteful option.

Either way I'm sure Bioware knows what most of us wanted there just as I think we all know what they wanted there. Sadly neither of us are the powers that be, EA's has generally been over-cautious on these type of things and the ESRB would have slapped an AO on that bad boy all things considered. and that is generally a death sentence as most retailers wouldn't even look at anything with an AO on it. Such is life.

[Loldor]

Kelston wrote...

I wonder how there are people in this world that still firmly believe the crusade against violent video games. After all, all the kids that shot up their high schools wore shoes and used toothbrushes. Why is there not a campaign to stop the shoe wearing and toothbrushing that is corrupting our youth?

The fact that these people exist proves that Darwin was wrong. Nature would have selected them out a long time ago otherwise.

Darwin wasn't wrong.  Its just that society has reached a point where people who would normally be weeded out, are instead nurtured and protected and taken care of, rather than eaten.

[Dnarris]

Kelston wrote...


Darwin wasn't wrong.  Its just that society has reached a point where people who would normally be weeded out, are instead nurtured and protected and taken care of, rather than eaten.

This is probably one of the more intelligent, if not inappropriate, statements I've seen on the forums.

It takes a little thought to realize that humans have gone far beyond the mechanisms of evolution, such as natural selection, that apply to the rest of the life on earth. Of course natrual selection isn't just the theory that it is survival of the fittest, but those that are most adapted to their environment to survive.

However, as humans overcome mechanisms such as natural selection other mechanisms develop to take its place.

This does explain the continued existence of forum trolls though.

Modifié par Dnarris, 20 novembre 2009 - 08:40 .

[dan107]

[quote]TheMadCat wrote...
I do agree though that poll isn't exactly a reliable representation of the audiences feelings, an extremely small sample size from a group of more passionate gamers I would think. Get 5,000 votes and perhaps one can start drawing a more realistic conclusion, but with a tad over 100 votes, eh. [/quote]

I don't see why particularly passionate gamers would be any more or less predisposed to nudity than the average gamers. As far as sample size, yeah 100 is a little small, but 5,000 is way too many. 500 or so will be quite sufficient to prove the point IMO.[/quote]

[quote]
Either way I'm sure Bioware knows what most of us wanted there just as I think we all know what they wanted there. Sadly neither of us are the powers that be, EA's has generally been over-cautious on these type of things and the ESRB would have slapped an AO on that bad boy all things considered. and that is generally a death sentence as most retailers wouldn't even look at anything with an AO on it. Such is life. [/quote]

EA doesn't seem to be particularly opposed to nudity. It had it in Godfather 2, and just look at Dante's Inferno.

The ESRB had nothing to do with this either. Even if the scenes in DA were fully nude, they would still pass the M rating. Contrary to popular belief, the ESRB is not just sitting around waiting and praying for a chance to slap an AO rating on games. Unless the sex is interactive or really graphic, even full frontal still falls under the M category.

So this really seems like it was Bioware's last minute internal decision in order to avoid controversy. Although who cares what the "general public" thinks, if the people who are actually going to BUY your game are overwhelmingly for it?

[Scorus]

Thank you Mr. Woo for answering the questions posted here seriously and for taking the time.
Seeing games that came out this year, one game in particular had an interesting twist on the maturity level the player would want to handle.
Brütal Legend
During the intro you were asked if you could handle mature language, or if you wanted it beeped out.
The same with decapitation and mutilation.
Wouldn't it (have been) be possible to implement something like this in DA:O where you selected what kind of nudity the player might handle. "Boobs?" "Yes - No"
On a side note, I found it somewhat strange that Morrigan would go trough the trouble to take off her very revealing dress and slap on a BH for the sake of it. *laughs*

Edited due to formatting issues

Modifié par Scorus, 20 novembre 2009 - 09:31 .

[Mordaedil]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Right, so you're perfectly OK with a super violent game, but once you get a bare nipple in there... WHOA too far.

Because he has INTEGRITY.

By integrity you must mean a convoluted set of principles brought about by a puritanical mind-set that shuns the human body, making you believe that sexuality and the naked form are evil and disgusting.

Combined with a desensitization to violence that thinks it's alright for games to have gratuitous amounts of graphic violence and gore, even though a bare nipple would cause him to feel uncomfortable.

That's some good integrity you got there.

You do realize Maria capitalized the word to indicate the irony, right?

I think this forum isn't quite used to Maria Caliban yet.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Aint gona sift through all the pages - did someone release such a patch yet? I find it hilarious that the game has so much blood, splattered armor, violent death animations.



Apparently its ok to dismember, behead a human body, as long as we dont see a hint of nudity in all of it.

[DragonRageGT]

benmue wrote...

*Hijack* I wana see dorf peen 8)

LMAO!

[MartinJHolm]

Aeto Alessos wrote...

SHOE ON HEAD PATCH FOR STEN

Don't you have a chan forum you could stay at?

[dannythefool]

Draguling wrote...

In Arcanum you could do a sheep.

A shame we can't post spoilers in this forum, else .. oh well, you'll find out. 

[orionlocke]

I'm probably going to get ripped up and down for posting this but I'll do it anyway. I was the one that brought up integrity and respect (and got blasted for it) so here is my reasoning. I am not trying to be hostile or attack anyone here so lets please keep it clean, there's no need to 50 more posts saying how stupid and ignorant I am or how I'm some zelot that thinks the human body and all sex is evil. I'm merely stating what I think and giving an alternate view to think about.

This is a hack and slash game so yes, there is going to be violence and gore otherwise it wouldn't be much of a hack and slash game right?

I don't think a bunch of nudity is needed to make a good hack and slash game.

The more sex and nudity there is on TV, in movies, in games, the more sex and the body is cheapened to the point where the meaning of what sex is supposed to be is completely lost. I said respect before...respect the body, respect the opposite sex, respect what sex is truely supposed to be. Is it something you want cheapened to the point where it's just an action with no real meaning? Maybe...but not me.

If you're married, or not married but want to be at some point, the more sex and nudity you see, the more damage it does to your marriage, thats why porn is so damaging. The more sex and nudity you see on TV, in movies, on the internet, in games, the harder it gets to be satisfied with your spouse (sex and their body). The less satisfied you get, the more likely it will be to go outside the marriage and cheat. What do you have then...a broken home which is quickly becoming the norm in this time. When I say integrity, I'm saying shouldn't we want to be above that...avoid that? Shouldn't sex and the human body have some sanctity? Maybe you think not, but I do.

I'm 30 year old, I'm married, and I have kids so I'm not blowing a bunch of smoke without knowing what I'm talking about. I've had problems in my marriage just like the next person so no, I'm not perfect either but I have researched these types of things. Do you think I'm spewing a load of crap? Research it yourself and see what you find...you'll be surprised.

Anyway like I said, I am not trying to attack or be hositle so please don't attack to be hostile in return. We're all entitled to our opinions. If your opinion on the subject is different than mine, I respect that because you have the right to think what you want. Please just take what I have said as maybe something to think about and please lets not post a ton of degrading and hostile replys.

Sorry for the long post...didn't mean to make it this long

[Akka le Vil]

orionlocke wrote...

This is a hack and slash game so yes, there is going to be violence and gore otherwise it wouldn't be much of a hack and slash game right?
I don't think a bunch of nudity is needed to make a good hack and slash game.

Actually, it's supposed to be a "mature RPG", not a "hack'n'slash", and sex has been hailed as one of its features.
Not that I'm really attracted to ridiculous-looking cutscenes - like most, what made me react was the ridiculousness of going for explicit scenes and then backpedal into putting underwear that look laughable, not that I wanted necessarily full frontal nudity or something like that - but I just point out that the sex was in the selling.

The more sex and nudity there is on TV, in movies, in games, the more sex and the body is cheapened to the point where the meaning of what sex is supposed to be is completely lost. I said respect before...respect the body, respect the opposite sex, respect what sex is truely supposed to be. Is it something you want cheapened to the point where it's just an action with no real meaning? Maybe...but not me.

I can see what you mean, and I may even have a good deal of agreement, but that's a point of romantism, not integrity.

You can have perfect integrity and still be a naughty sex beast. Both are totally unrelated as long as you don't cheat anyone.
And it's normal that people ripped you apart, because you basically said that anyone not sharing your views was an immoral @ss - perhaps you didn't MEAN it, but you certainly SAID it.

And by the way, though your point may stand on TV serie with models posing as the regular woman, the 3D-rendered bodies in the game are far from looking hot enough to make someone displeased with his wife
Honestly, the sex on the screen looks more awkward and ridiculous than exciting - the ridiculousness being the reason of this thread, by the way.