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[TheMadCat]

Falmung wrote...

This is ridiiculous. I agree with bman. This is not a sex game. It might have mature stuff but it doesn't need to go to that extreme. If you don't like it then mod it. You've been given the option. Then people can decide what they do and do not want in their game with mods.

So did you actually read any posts in this thread that contained more then the word B008BZ in it?

[dan107]

Falmung wrote...

This is ridiiculous. I agree with bman. This is not a sex game. It might have mature stuff but it doesn't need to go to that extreme. If you don't like it then mod it. You've been given the option. Then people can decide what they do and do not want in their game with mods.

You're the one that's being ridiculous. What's up with this whole "you can mod it in" attitude? By this logic, why have blood in the game? Why have cutscenes? Why have any given feature, when it can just be modded in? Some people might enjoy modding, but the majority of us paid $50 for a game to PLAY, not a take home project to WORK on.

[Leather_Rebel90]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Spawn305 wrote...

petitcomique wrote...

Can we have the oh so madly erotic scenes without the annoying underwear ? :-)

I found the solution Bioware developped for Masseffect quite nice, playing with the angles the way they did and was hence pretty much disappointed to see the underwear make an appearance in my romance moments...

I am not asking for full blown hawt pr0n, just for somethign which feels natural. Unless anatomy in Ferelden makes intimacy unproblematical even when wearing undies ;-)  

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All the nude girls you could ever want. Please don't add boobies and dicks to the game. Go out and meet a real girl and get in her pants. trust me its alot better then anomated porn.

He's not asking for porn you moron.  The self-censored last-minute underwear (which turns the female body model into a deformed figure, just compare the robed morrigan with the un-robed morrigan) is just ridiculous.

He's not asking for penis/vagina/anal penetration shots with a money shot finish.

He's asking for something that doesn't look laughable, awkward, and cringeworthy (ie current "romance" scenes, looks like somebody playing with barbie dolls), and something with breasts (ie R rated movies, and other M games ie God of War, this is a 18+ game no?).

I take it you've never had sex IRL. The sex scene in Dragon Age (Minus the clothes) Showed realistic positions and what-not.

[vorianxavier]

Can you all please stop with the "why would anyone want to see nudity in a game?" and "get out more" and "you've never seen a naked woman" etc posts. They're pointless and annoying.

[MerinTB]

vorianxavier wrote...

Can you all please stop with the "why would anyone want to see nudity in a game?" and "get out more" and "you've never seen a naked woman" etc posts. They're pointless and annoying.

Seconded.

[durasteel]

bman32 wrote...

you really need to get out more .. getting excited about an animated character? have you ever just talked to real life female, let alone seen one naked?

Who said anything about getting excited?  The idea here is not to facilitate re-loading a saved game and watching the cut scene repeatedly whilst vigorously flogging the bishop.  The idea is to be able to view the cut scene during the course of a normal play-through without thinking "that is completely horrible."

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[kevinblue360]

You know, Bioware/EA owns these forums so they can, and should sometimes ban people. You should not expect the devs, who have worked so hard on this game for several years now to just be ok with everything that is said and not expect them to respond harshly. I respect them for the job they have done, and yes of course some things could have been different but come on people, games are games and not real life. So why should you care if the underwear is on. WHO CARES? This is a game. While I lose myself in this game world for hours and hours at a time, I am not going to even waste a breath on crying and complaining because of a lack of nudity. We are adults here and that is why we have to have actual sex and or nudity because as children we have imaginations. Well I still have mine and I don't need to see graphic sex, nudity,"tasteful nudity" or whatever. I have my wife for that. If you feel like you need to, flame away.

[Cat Lance]

Alright people, let's keep this thing civil.



People who want the scenes to be more explicit for the sake of ascetic are not automatically evil. Likewise, BioWare is not evil for deciding not to make the scenes more so.



Someone earlier asked "what's with the just mod it in reactions," and since I was one of those who said that, I'll explain. BioWare created the game, it's theirs, and they have decided that they won't be removing the granny bras/panties. So, that leaves modding. There's no reason to berate and be rude at BioWare staff or anyone else over this.



Everyone stop insulting people on a personal level.

[The Demonologist]

Cat Lance indeed has the right of it.



In my somewhat valid opinion, sure, it might detract from the sex scenes currently in-game to have the characters wear their underwear.



Still, respect Bioware for making the decision not to. It'd most likely cause more problems than it would solve.



Secondly, for goodness sake, its a sex scene. Emphasis not on sex, but on SCENE. It is one small part of the game, and that it might be marred slightly by the decision to play it safe is hardly worth 20 pages of angry hate. I expect better from folks.



If you want the nudity for the mature reason of realism, then talk about it maturely.

[Sakiradesu]

I think a lot of the people who are posting here wouldn't mind if there was no nudity, and the scene was just the love interest leading the main character back to their tent suggestively.

They'd be fully clothed before entering the tent, and it wouldn't make the character development between the two ridiculous. 

Modifié par Sakiradesu, 22 novembre 2009 - 04:59 .

[The Demonologist]

Sakira, you are excellent.



That is another wonderful solution.

[Sakiradesu]

The Demonologist wrote...

Sakira, you are excellent.

That is another wonderful solution.

Too bad I am computer challenged and cannot do anything cool.

[_____o_O___]

Screen fades to dark. Shows pictures of hod dogs and hallways. Relationship ends.

[Cat Lance]

The Demonologist wrote...

Sakira, you are excellent.

That is another wonderful solution.

This is one I've advocated many times, because I just don't feel that computer images are up to really doing justice to a sex scene tastefully. (But it certainly isn't going to scar me for life to see it and I can understand the, "if they are going to show as much as is shown, why do this halfway?" idea.)

[kevinblue360]

Oh I don't hate anyone here. I just think it is rediculous to say that Bioware copped out or gave it to EA or whatever. There is a line that is crossed and if you cross it, it leads to vulgarity. You don't need that in this type of game. I am not mad, or upset. I just feel I have to lend my support to Bioware, even though they don't need it.

[kevinblue360]

Um actually that should read, gave in to EA or whatever.

[TheMadCat]

kevinblue360 wrote...

You know, Bioware/EA owns these forums so they can, and should sometimes ban people. You should not expect the devs, who have worked so hard on this game for several years now to just be ok with everything that is said and not expect them to respond harshly. I respect them for the job they have done, and yes of course some things could have been different but come on people, games are games and not real life. So why should you care if the underwear is on. WHO CARES? This is a game. While I lose myself in this game world for hours and hours at a time, I am not going to even waste a breath on crying and complaining because of a lack of nudity. We are adults here and that is why we have to have actual sex and or nudity because as children we have imaginations. Well I still have mine and I don't need to see graphic sex, nudity,"tasteful nudity" or whatever. I have my wife for that. If you feel like you need to, flame away.

This thread has for the most part been fairly mature and respectable to Bioware aside from a few ignorant fools and trolls. Stanley went off on a somewhat unprofessional rant and a few posters bit back, eventually amends were made and the thread got back on track. I don't understand why you think it's wrong to critique their work, this scene certainly isn't crucial to the overall success and enjoyment of the game but nonetheless it is a pivotal moment in the games story and it felt somewhat cheapened when considering how brilliantly the rest of the game was done. I said it once already the romance side stories are some of the best Bioware has done and to climax it as they did just sort of brought it done a bit, most have said it could have been better and have offered a few reasonable ideas ranging from simply removing the underwear to making it similar to Mass Effect or simply giving it a traditional fade to black. Constructive criticism is a very good thing for developers, areas that fell a little short, no matter how large or small they are in the grand scheme of things, can be improved upon for next time.

As to your other comment. You have a wife, congratulations. Perhaps you can explain to me a little better exactly what having a wife has to do with the love scene in Dragon Age. I have a girlfriend, should my opinion that the scene could have been done better be changed because I've seen her naked? I don't see how the two correspond with each other. Myself and most others here are not saying the scene should be better so with could see virtual ******, rather to better reflect the moment in the story which is the pinnacle of our characters and their love interest. The first time I did it with my girlfriend it wasn't dry humping in thick woolen underwear. It is a special moment, and in my opinion a story of love portrays that moment should show it as special rather then looking like I accidentally flipped to Comedy Central late at night.

Dragon Age is a great game, one of the best RPG's I've played in 10 years and Bioware's best since the BG series. But that doesn't mean it doesn't hold a few blemishes. As I said it is a minor issue that does nothing to drag the game down, but it is in my opinion a very crucial part of the story and I just think it should be done better, nudity or not. You and so many others seem to just be completely missing the point many of us have been trying to make in this thread, aside from a couple we aren't here demanding nudity, we're simply saying for such an important scene to the story it should have been better, and considering how much other sexually vulgar stuff is in the game prior to and beyond that point that it's a bit hypocritical for them to claim it was done to preserve the "taste" of the game and the scene. Opinions are obviously opinions, you have yours and I have mine and neither of us are more right then the other. Bioware did make the game and are allowed to do whatever they want with it, it doesn't mean we shouldn't come in and say well this and that could have been done better, taken a bit off here and added a bit more there. People are allowed to discuss the graphics, the DLC, the combat system, the bugs, the classes, the character creation, pretty much every aspect of the game. Just because we are making an opinion that the love scene could have been better doesn't make our opinions any less valid nor does that make us perverts looking for virtual boobs.

Out of curiosity, assuming you played Mass Effect which of the two scenes did you prefer? This one or the silhouette style in Mass Effect?

[Sarakinoi]

Very good post TheMadCat. I think if our point of view is not clear at this point, then it will never be.



>>>I think a lot of the people who are posting here wouldn't mind if there was no nudity, and the scene was just the love interest leading the main character back to their tent suggestively. <<<



Exactly. I'd rather have a fade to black scene, a simple kiss, or even a humorous approach with maybe : dialogue -> camera zooming out of the tent -> Dog howling to the moon like a wolf. (Or a selection of randomized events each time, a bit like interaction between companions) than just a half baked underwear failure of a scene.



This is not about nudity vs censorship, but about having an immersion breaking and anti-climatic moment VS a coherent scene that adds value to the experience instead of taking from it.

[Somberrequiem]

Allow me to put in my two bits...



DA:O is EA's property. They can do with it whatever they want. We have no rights to demand any kind of content. Very simply, our single and only right is to not play the game and not buy the added content. If they want to have gore galore and underware sex scenes then that is their perogative.



There is also one very big reason why bioware and EA should not put in a graphic nudity patch and that is because it might give the game an 'Adults Only' rating... which means that stores like Walmart and Best Buy will not carry it. DA:O is all ready stretching the boundries as is. And while I would love and respect a game that can accomidate tasteful, or even sexual nudity in a story context I by no means believe that I have any right to demand it nor expect it.

[TheMadCat]

No ones really demanded anything Somber, neither are most of us expecting anything. There is a tool set out, shortly people will have the models changed and a bit further down the road I'm sure someone will find a way to re-do the entire cut scene. There's no real reason to expect them to do anything considered what the players have in their hands.

[kevinblue360]

If you plan on getting a mod or whatever for it then why say how that the lack of sex or nudity or whatever too away from the game. How can anyone who has played this or any Bioware game think that. The story involves so much more than sex. And my comment about having a wife meant that I don't need a game or anything else to see that. Why not try to come up with story ideas, or other things that don't always have to involve sex. Bioware has stated their stance on this and while there are people out there that will always try to nit pick every sentence, phrase etc... that has to do with that. Oh they said this or they didn't put this in or didn't put that in. Well you know, it is their game, their property and just because we buy a copy doesn't mean we have a right to demean, or trash their hard work.

[kevinblue360]

Well Mass Effect was a different game and style, so I enjoyed the scene you are talking about but I would have enjoyed the game just as much without it. Different people worked on the games, so different ideas were obviously suggested. I guess the angle shots could have worked, but the lack of "realism" did not take away, at least in my experience, from the game. Bioware will never be able to please everyone with their design choices. I enjoyed the whole game.

[durasteel]

Somberrequiem wrote...

Allow me to put in my two bits...

DA:O is EA's property. They can do with it whatever they want. We have no rights to demand any kind of content. Very simply, our single and only right is to not play the game and not buy the added content. If they want to have gore galore and underware sex scenes then that is their perogative.

There is also one very big reason why bioware and EA should not put in a graphic nudity patch and that is because it might give the game an 'Adults Only' rating... which means that stores like Walmart and Best Buy will not carry it. DA:O is all ready stretching the boundries as is. And while I would love and respect a game that can accomidate tasteful, or even sexual nudity in a story context I by no means believe that I have any right to demand it nor expect it.

Yes... and no.  We're not really talking about the legal right to compel specific performance on the part of BioWare, and no one has suggested that there is a contractual obligation for a nipple or two in the game.  As paying customers, however, we have certain entitlements and reasonable expectations.  If, for example, a quest is broken, it is perfectly reasonable for paying customers to expect and demand that a patch to repair the broken content be generated with reasonable expediency.  The simple fact that BioWare may not be hailed into court to enforce a duty has nothing to do with it.

On my first play through, I invested a great deal (or so it felt) into the romance with Morrigan.  I kept giving her presents long after I had maxed out her fondness bar, simply as part of "playing the game."  By the time she dropped the plot bomb on me at Redcliff at the end, I was into it - I was on the trademark BioWare emotional roller coaster ride as she talked me into giving her what she wanted by alternately pleading and threatening.  I vowed to go after her, but ultimately gave her what she wanted.

And so it was that I was in the correct state of mind to appreciate the significance of the cut scene, knowing that it was "bittersweet" - the end both of the rejection my Warden had been getting from her, and the end of his relationship with her.  I was completely in the moment, completely engrossed in the story, as only BioWare games seem to be able to enthrall me.  Until, that is, I saw the stupid underwear, and laughed out loud.

I really hadn't cared much the first time, in camp, because I was only a few hours in and not completely invested yet... but by the end, it was jarring, and ridiculous, and weak.  The whole idea that Morrigan carried around in her pack some of Flemeth's most unatractive undergarments to put on prior to an amorous encounter...

I know, without any question, that derisive laughter is not the response that the writers were hoping for in that scene.  It is a minor thing, but one which ought to be fixed.  Asking for a fix is reasonable.

In response to your last point, the game advertises "partial nudity" on the label.  According to statements from BioWare, the developer was undecided whether to include actual nakedness right up to the release date - well past the time that the game had been rated.  I take that to mean that the rating would not have changed at all as a result of a pair of nipples.  If I remember correctly, Age of Conan had splattering gore, heads coming off, prostitutes, and nipples too--and it managed to maintain an "M" rating.

The idea that it is somehow wrong for customers to express discontent that a product that they have purchased does not exactly live up to the manufacturer's hype is a load of manure.