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[MerinTB]

Godeshus wrote...

Summary of the previous 23 pages:

I want to see titts

I think the game is fine without ******

You're stupid and clearly not human if you don't want to see ******

How dare you call me stupid. You are disrespectful and your mother's fat.

I hate you

I hate you more

I hate YOU more

I hate your mom and her ugly ******.

Lets settle this over waffles!

Obviously, sir, you have not bothered to read a single one of my posts.  And, I'd wager, skipped many others.

Or you're ignoring them to make your own point.

[MerinTB]

Rheannan wrote...

evmiller wrote...

I agree. You have blatant prostitution, but you afraid to show a pair of jubbllies. If CD Projekt Red can get away with full frontal female nudity in "The Witcher" then bioware sure as hell can. The Witcher has ingame trophies via erotic tarrot cards for each women you score with. Why give up ground that has been won by another developer. We're trying to remove the "Toy" stigma from from this sort of entertainment and make it more mature like books and movies. Work with us here!

This sort of argument would invariably lead to the male population running away screaming when they realised that putting nudity of any significance in the game may also include male nudity.

What most males seem to either ignore or just not realise is that the only nudity of any significance that is shown in the media (TV shows, films, and games) is female nudity. I suspect that most males would change their view if male nudity was introduced.

Note that this is referring to nudity of significance. A bare male chest is not significant in this regard.

I'm not going to trawl through the remaining pages of the thread as I really doubt I'd find anything of value in there. I'm sure there are a few 'interesting' or 'of value' posts but the general male reaction to female nudity and male nudity is typically hypocritical and ignorant, so I'll leave the thread trawling to someone else...

While that may be true for some men, I'm not afraid of male nudity.  Let them all be nude all the time - er, if the game was called "The Nudist Colony Adventures" I guess.

This thread is dreadfully straying from what I think the overall gist of it was intended - that one intimate scene was poorly done with a really bad artistic decision (that may, or may not, have been caused by fear of Fox News and Senator Lieberman) and that, especially in an M rated game, a game with ridiculous amounts of gore and subject matter that will give most children nightmares, a shown sex scene decides that nudity is the most damaging part of showing intercourse.

The opinions on whether or not this is an issue are most of the REAL debate, and what should or should not be done.

Every single post about nudity good or bad, about some people being virgin perverts and others being puritanical religious zealots, about how stupid it is that the topic is even being discussed, or about how men only want to exploit women - all of those posts are distractions, diversions, and mostly irrelevant.

[Sakiradesu]

I would imagine it's very easy to do male nudity badly. If the underwear scenes are laughable, a badly done male nude scene would be even more so.

Although with some modders using their girlfriends as a model for female nudity, I am greatly amused by the thought of a modder molding the male form while constantly looking down at himself to make sure the realism is there.

Modifié par Sakiradesu, 25 novembre 2009 - 07:06 .

[Cat Lance]

In Watchmen, I actually didn't notice blue boy's manhood at first, my husband pointed it out to me. It was there so casually. I applaud them for that.



I would be happy if the nudity were treated as casually in DA. Or I should say, the nudity involved in the sex scenes. Since, there is nudity in other parts of the game.

[Rivie]

I'm sure some enterprising modder will "fix" this soon enough, as soon as they get custom movie/animated scenes working. And given time we'll get some really good quality stuff, too.

I can kinda see why BioWare went the route they did. Doesn't mean I like it, however. It's so awkward, and as others have said, the underwear deforms their models. I'm still, overall, very happy with my purchase and very glad that I spent the extra money I did on getting both the CE game and guide, to support BioWare making more games like this.

Just... hopefully with better love scenes. Hate to keep making the comparison since it's been done so many times and they've already said the games were made by different groups... but more like Mass Effect, please!

[Anacronian Stryx]

I still find it hard to understand the logic though.. the Desire demon was originally bare chested and they covered it up for some American reason..fine i can live with that, but then i enter a room in a castle in Denerim and see a servant in the act of performing fellatio on a guard and i wonder..why is one so bad and the other so allowable?

[The Demonologist]

Rivie wrote...

I'm sure some enterprising modder will "fix" this soon enough, as soon as they get custom movie/animated scenes working. And given time we'll get some really good quality stuff, too.
I can kinda see why BioWare went the route they did. Doesn't mean I like it, however. It's so awkward, and as others have said, the underwear deforms their models. I'm still, overall, very happy with my purchase and very glad that I spent the extra money I did on getting both the CE game and guide, to support BioWare making more games like this.
Just... hopefully with better love scenes. Hate to keep making the comparison since it's been done so many times and they've already said the games were made by different groups... but more like Mass Effect, please!

These are the things all the smart folks in this thread have been saying. Does the back and forth really need to continue?

A MODDER IS DOING IT ALREADY. Now just wait for it! <_<

[darkdruid117]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Spawn305 wrote...

petitcomique wrote...

Can we have the oh so madly erotic scenes without the annoying underwear ? :-)

I found the solution Bioware developped for Masseffect quite nice, playing with the angles the way they did and was hence pretty much disappointed to see the underwear make an appearance in my romance moments...

I am not asking for full blown hawt pr0n, just for somethign which feels natural. Unless anatomy in Ferelden makes intimacy unproblematical even when wearing undies ;-)  

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All the nude girls you could ever want. Please don't add boobies and dicks to the game. Go out and meet a real girl and get in her pants. trust me its alot better then anomated porn.

He's not asking for porn you moron.  The self-censored last-minute underwear (which turns the female body model into a deformed figure, just compare the robed morrigan with the un-robed morrigan) is just ridiculous.

He's not asking for penis/vagina/anal penetration shots with a money shot finish.

He's asking for something that doesn't look laughable, awkward, and cringeworthy (ie current "romance" scenes, looks like somebody playing with barbie dolls), and something with breasts (ie R rated movies, and other M games ie God of War, this is a 18+ game no?).

Um... Sorry skinamax pron then. all of you ****ing about this are freaking lame. Really go out in RL and meet a chick. Stop trying to make video games give you sex content. This **** has no place in the game. Who gives a rats ass if you can doggy style Morg in the game.

I think I would have to agree, games are games not a sex shop. If you want sex in a game go get the PB game or leisure suite larry.

[Cat Lance]

darkdruid117 wrote...

I think I would have to agree, games are games not a sex shop. If you want sex in a game go get the PB game or leisure suite larry.

The sex is already in the game, people have only been asking that it be handled better/more tastefully. As opposed to the weird underwear during sex thing. -Infact most people have asked for it to be handled more similarly to another BioWare game, Mass Effect.

[Godeshus]

For many this could be a healthy early start to exploration. Film has a more visceral approach to sex, and often seems to push this idea towards the younger generation. I doubt some of you would be happy at seeing male/male sex in detail. But again, for younger, less experienced people who are questioning their own sexuality, this tamed down approach could be just what they need.

For those who are more comfortable with themselves, there are other avenues that denote the raw power of sex.

I know I will get attacked for saying the following, but please...before you do so, take a second to think about what I am writing. And remember, it is a matter of opinion. Also, when I say "they" and "people", I am not actually including everyone.

I think the older people who really strongly want to see more nudity and rawer sex scenes in DA are people who have their priorities confused. They have delved into the fantasy realm of a video game a little too deeply and seek to draw reality into it. The reality, however, is that sex, and I mean Real sex, is all around us. These people should consider seeking sex in the real world rather than trying to experience it through their characters.

The magic is in the bedroom, not on a computer monitor.

Modifié par Godeshus, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:34 .

[TheChemicals]

Would it be weird if the designers made elf/dwarve/human sizes of their rods all the same?

[MerinTB]

Godeshus wrote...

For many this could be a healthy early start to exploration. Film has a more visceral approach to sex, and often seems to push this idea towards the younger generation. I doubt some of you would be happy at seeing male/male sex in detail. But again, for younger, less experienced people who are questioning their own sexuality, this tamed down approach could be just what they need.

For those who are more comfortable with themselves, there are other avenues that denote the raw power of sex.

I know I will get attacked for saying the following, but please...before you do so, take a second to think about what I am writing. And remember, it is a matter of opinion. Also, when I say "they" and "people", I am not actually including everyone.

I think the older people who really strongly want to see more nudity and rawer sex scenes in DA are people who have their priorities confused. They have delved into the fantasy realm of a video game a little too deeply and seek to draw reality into it. The reality, however, is that sex, and I mean Real sex, is all around us. These people should consider seeking sex in the real world rather than trying to experience it through their characters.

The magic is in the bedroom, not on a computer monitor.

I'm not attacking you as a reply here, just responding.

I honestly believe that you are inadvertantly putting up a strawman argument.  Honestly, I do not think you are purposefully misrepresenting people BUT I do think you are inferring motivation where none is implied.

By that I mean that many of us are not seeking sex be added to the game.  It is already in there, as sold.  Many of us wish that the way the one scene was done was less ridiculous.  This includes most of that many being absolutely fine if it had been fade to black.

Do you understand that?  Can you step outside of your preconceived notion that people who are saying the scene was done badly, even those who are arguing that nudity should have been shown, are not by default people who are seeking sexual pleasure from a video game?

I am assuming that you accept that people playing video games where they kill people, torture people, steal stuff from people, and do large amounts of property damage ARE NOT people who want to do that in real life.

Or are you going off the oft-quoted cliche notion that people who are angry and want to hurt others use video games to vent their violence in safe ways?  If so (and I'm sure this is true sometimes for some people) what WOULD be wrong with someone seeking sexual release from a video game (or porn) as compared to going out and cheating on their SO or spouse, or who are unable to get a date, or would otherwise be paying for a prostitute?  This is a separate issue, and I apologize to everyone for derailing the thread a bit but - why is it automatically assumed that a sex game is worse than a violence game?  How lame is the argument against Rock Band that "if you want to play an instrument, play a real instrument and not a game one" or even worse "why steal stuff or kill fake people in a game when you can do it for real"?

That digression aside -

I reiterate - many of us want the ALREADY INCLUDED intimate encounter in a game where there are plenty of other RISQUE MOMENTS AND CONTENT to be done in A LESS AWFUL WAY.
A way that could include camera angles, or a fade to black skipping the scene entirely.

Why is it that everyone who decides that we who are complaining about the ugly, unrealistic underware ignore the many, many times we say we would be happier with camera angles or fade to blacks?  Is it because it destroys your worldview that says those who accept or want nudity in video games MUST be perverted, dateless, friendless teenagers?

[TheMadCat]

Merin summed it up pretty well. You and many others seem to be interpreting the message most of us have put out wrongly. This notion that we want to underwear removed or the scene changed just to see pixelated genitalia is foolish. The arguments have been made time and again and I've repeated myself about four times, posters like Merin have repeated themselves even more. The arguments are the double-standard when it comes to Bioware's choices and "tastes" and the fact that we feel the scene should be much better when considering the moment in the story it's portraying.

Godeshus wrote...

For many this could be a healthy early start to exploration. Film has a more visceral approach to sex, and often seems to push this idea towards the younger generation. I doubt some of you would be happy at seeing male/male sex in detail. But again, for younger, less experienced people who are questioning their own sexuality, this tamed down approach could be just what they need.

Personally I have no problem with the human body, I see it everyday from both sexes. Obviously people are not as open about such issues as I am, I'm well aware of that which is why for now I believe there has to be a line drawn somewhere. The thought of "questioning their own sexuality", no matter there age is a foolish notion in my eyes though. "Choosing" to be straight or gay isn't a balance beam where you can be tipped one way or the other. A 13 year old isn't going to walk into Broke Back Mountain and walk out a homosexual simply because of what he saw on screen. Homosexuality is not some switch that one can flip on and off at will, come on.

I think the older people who really strongly want to see more nudity and rawer sex scenes in DA are people who have their priorities confused. They have delved into the fantasy realm of a video game a little too deeply and seek to draw reality into it. The reality, however, is that sex, and I mean Real sex, is all around us. These people should consider seeking sex in the real world rather than trying to experience it through their characters.

The magic is in the bedroom, not on a computer monitor.

I think you made this comment simply to make an argument on a issue you where you disagree with the supporters without making sure it holds actual merit with the people you're arguing against. Many, including myself, have said we'd take a blackout scene over what is currently there now. Kind of hard to get your jollies off to a black screen unless you've got one hell of an imagination. I'm no fool, there are people out there who would indeed seek self satisfaction from a more vivid and detailed scene but when it's a vast minority it's hard to use that as a reliable against argument.

I'll try hammering this home one more time. It's not about the sex, it's not about the nudity, it's about the scene as a whole. But because this particular scene does involve sex it garners more attention and leads to assumptions through stereotyping. Opinions about the scene are fine, you can think it's fine as is and I can't argue it. But it's asinine to claim we want it because we have our priorities confused. At the end of the day I do realize this is a game. I'm not losing sleep or taking out frustration on my girlfriend or starting up petitions and boycotts because of this scene. At the same time though that doesn't mean I can't feel as if things could have been better or differently, there are many things I feel could have been better and I've spoken out on a few just as I've spoken out on this. Considering the moment in the story the scene seems more comical rather then serious.

Like I said, you can hold your opinions on the subject at hand, if you like the scene as is then that's fine and I won't argue with you. I agree with your initial comment that the majority would not be inclined to see full blown male on male and even male/female. Which is why I don't like the idea of full blown nudity here, while it doesn't bother me it does bother many and that has to be taken into account considering this is a business endeavor first and foremost, so I respect that. But don't start down that slippery slope of ignorance and attack peoples "priorities" and make strawman and baseless arguments simply to convey a point of argument in your favor. It's be said enough that people such as yourself should understand what arguments are being made here and it makes no sense that one who would rather see a kiss and a blackout sequence or shadows and silhouettes wants nothing but to see more virtual T&A followed by a round of hard knocks.

[Sakiradesu]

One might ask what goes on in the minds of those who respond strongly against requests for more tasteful scenes.

We've given examples of fades to black, suggestive invitations to private tents, better directing, etc. What are they thinking of when they call people childish perverts? D:

Modifié par Sakiradesu, 25 novembre 2009 - 11:27 .

[GlassRain]

wow there are alot more replies here than I care to read but I care enough to post:



The sensual scenes in this game made me laugh so hard. I was almost embarrassed for whoever scripted them they were so horribly bad. I agree with the OP that the camera angle should have been used like that of Mass Effect which had a very tasteful moment that didn't scream zomg porn but didn't make me crack a rib laughing at the stupidity of it.



That being said.. its a 10 second scene... who cares?

[Sakiradesu]

GlassRain wrote...

That being said.. its a 10 second scene... who cares?

Clearly, not those found posting in a 24 page forum topic about said subject.

[TheMadCat]

GlassRain wrote...


That being said.. its a 10 second scene... who cares?

Apparently you do as you took the time to come here, read a bit, and post your opinion on the subject at hand. Sure it's about 0.01% of the game, but the 0.01% is a rather big and important moment in your characters story, seems kind of cheesy to have it like that.

[Wynne]

Cat Lance wrote...
The sex is already in the game, people have only been asking that it be handled better/more tastefully. As opposed to the weird underwear during sex thing. -Infact most people have asked for it to be handled more similarly to another BioWare game, Mass Effect.

I would LOVE that, seriously. I found the love scenes to be quite nicely done in Mass Effect. The ones in Dragon Age I felt could've used just a bit more tinkering.

Honestly, I think every time you go to a tent together there should be a scene, and there should be at least three different versions of the scenes, and they should be slightly different based on who you're with and how you feel about each other. Like, if you're with Morrigan or Zev and it's just for sex, then it could be a bit naughtier/more confident, but more tender and a little hesitant on their parts if you're actually in love. With Leli and Alistair it would probably be more sweet. And really, for the first one with Alistair, his facial expressions should be different than they are. For realism, there should be more uncertainty--heheh, and can't you just imagine his eyes going wide? Though once you've done it like 20 times, the hesitance shouldn't show up anymore. It should all look comfortable.

I don't know, probably that's too demanding and too detailed by far, but it would be awesome to see tastefully done romance scenes which specifically fit the individual characters, and varied, and played every time you do it rather than just the first time. Once just makes it feel like it only matters when you've never done it before, and if you use that up in the beginning of the game then it seems sort of dull later, as if you've been married 60 years and lost all feeling down there. I mean, c'mon, before fighting an archdemon is the PERFECT time to get naked and feel alive, because tomorrow you might not be there anymore! 

The way it is now it feels sort of fake. Who wears underwear when they're having sex? Well, maybe, but it's usually more fun to take it off in my experience.  So yeah, I would love, love, love to see a patch if it was tastefully done.

[EricHVela]

24 pages? If this is really that important, get the toolset and make your shadowplay-on-the-tent or hard-core sex sequence to your liking. Does this really need 24 pages?

[Sir_deri k]

benmue wrote...

*Hijack* I wana see dorf peen 8)

It's like any other penis, but they braid their pubic hairs.

[TheMadCat]

ReggarBlane wrote...

24 pages? If this is really that important, get the toolset and make your shadowplay-on-the-tent or hard-core sex sequence to your liking. Does this really need 24 pages?

Ironically part of the reason this thread has stayed alive for so long is because people like you come in all the time and post some remark about how it's stupid this thread and subject has gotten to this many pages.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 26 novembre 2009 - 04:30 .

[Fall_Of_Seraphs]

*Aimed at original post* Chances are you're not going to see the original sex scenes redone, but there's bound to be a whole lot more **** scenes now that the "Tool Set" (Get it, it can mean three things in this instance... Get it?.. No? Well because... Oh... You do get it? Pretty funny huh? No? (Why would I print that whole exchange (Homestarrunner.com reference)))



Anyways, back to what I was saying, there are going to be a whoooole lotta **** based games now with the tool set, I mean, look what happened to Neverwinter Nights.

[Fall_Of_Seraphs]

Sir_deri k wrote...

benmue wrote...

*Hijack* I wana see dorf peen 8)

It's like any other penis, but they braid their pubic hairs.

Negatory Jim, Dwarf penises are two handed, crafted from the finest ore, usually double bladed and able to cleave through darkspawn like fine cheeses. Messing with an unarmed dwarf is inadvisable.

[dan107]

Godeshus wrote...

Summary of the previous 23 pages:

I want to see titts

I think the game is fine without ******

You're stupid and clearly not human if you don't want to see ******

How dare you call me stupid. You are disrespectful and your mother's fat.

I hate you

I hate you more

I hate YOU more

I hate your mom and her ugly ******.

Lets settle this over waffles!

From the perspective of a person whose reading comprehension is not his strogest point, certainly.

Rheannan wrote...
I'm not going to trawl through the remaining pages of the thread as I really doubt I'd find anything of value in there. I'm sure there are a few 'interesting' or 'of value' posts but the general male reaction to female nudity and male nudity is typically hypocritical and ignorant, so I'll leave the thread trawling to someone else...

Right. That's why there is no male/female pornography out there. Because all men blush, squeal and hide their eyes at the sight of a penis.