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[Seifz]

addiction21 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ToJKa1 wrote...

 Shame that BioWare is an american developer.

BioWare is Canadian.

Impossible!!  Really you mean that its not americas fault for once?  Thats a hard waffle to swallow.

To be fair, they do seem to act like an American developer.  They did so even before they were bought out by EA.  That's why the English is American English, the content is tailored to hit certain ESRB ratings, etc.

But come on, guys.  Enough with the "Americans don't like nudity" nonsense.  Where does the majority of the world's porn come from?  That's right, America!  

[Stanley Woo]

How about we decided we didn't want to go the explicit sex and nudity route, and believe that tasteful romance and sex scenes fit the game, game world, genre, and medium better than explicit sex would?



How about we want to appeal to as many people as possible, and having explicit sex and/or nudity would be counter-productive?



How about we're not making a movie or a sex game, and while it is possible to have tasteful full frontal or sex, you'll have to look elsewhere for it?



How about it doesn't matter how much time we have, it is unlikely that we will decide to include explicit sex and/or nudity in our game?



The soapboxing, nationalism, and personal tolerances have nothing to do with this being our game and we decide what to include and exclude, for various reasons. If y'all are truly "mature" enough to accept sex and violence in your games, you should also be mature enough to accept a lack of sex and violence in your games.

[EricHVela]

Woah! BioPwned!

[Westbound]

Not only that, but I made a really ugly dwarf and seein' him rock the tent with Z-dog would cause my eyes to bleed. Once was nightmarish enough.

[soteria]

If y'all are truly "mature" enough to accept sex and violence in your games, you should also be mature enough to accept a lack of sex and violence in your games.

Whoa, there, let's reign some of that radicalism in.

[Blips]

I don't care about nudity - I just wished they used some of the more "artistic" angles like in Mass Effect and got rid of the underwear. Again, not asking for nudity; Just saying that seeing everyone in underwear makes the scene rather funny.

[addiction21]

Seifz wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

ToJKa1 wrote...

 Shame that BioWare is an american developer.

BioWare is Canadian.

Impossible!!  Really you mean that its not americas fault for once?  Thats a hard waffle to swallow.

To be fair, they do seem to act like an American developer.  They did so even before they were bought out by EA.  That's why the English is American English, the content is tailored to hit certain ESRB ratings, etc.

But come on, guys.  Enough with the "Americans don't like nudity" nonsense.  Where does the majority of the world's porn come from?  That's right, America!  

Ya I know but I just get tired of it. America does not have a monopoly on prudness, stupidity, or fatness. It does exsist outside our borders we just seem to like to exploit those things

As for the debate going on in this thread. All I have to say is theres not enough waffles involved but thats just my opinion and it could be wrong.  <------ waffle bandit.

[KarstenKlausen]

Stanley Woo wrote...

How about we decided we didn't want to go the explicit sex and nudity route, and believe that tasteful romance and sex scenes fit the game, game world, genre, and medium better than explicit sex would?

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How about we're not making a movie or a sex game, and while it is possible to have tasteful full frontal or sex, you'll have to look elsewhere for it?

In the case in question, though, what was (I suspect) from the devs/writers perspective supposed to be an intimate moment and the culmination of my PC's relationsship with Morrigan instead ended up falling somewhere between WTF  and ROFL. I mean, the lady literally gets dressed for sex - in a bad way. She runs around all day flashing side boob and playing coy, and ends up in grandma's underwear once it's smecksy time? 

I have no problem with you not wanting full nudity in game - and it IS your game after all -  but then save us the weird clips of 4 different sex positions with half-dressed people. Give us some clever camera play to cover up the naughty bits, if they're too much, 80's Hollywood blockbuster style. Not the current clothed-kama-sutra show.

Modifié par KarstenKlausen, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:03 .

[SkiTheMadRussian]

Yeah, I'm pretty much convinced that all BioWare staff that posts is either retarded or just way too opinionated and more concerned about their personal biases than logic. Sex IS everywhere in this game. There's even a servant giving a BJ to a guard in Arl Howe's estate... If you're gonna do it, do it right. Unless...... you have no personal experience in it? Sheesh

Modifié par SkiTheMadRussian, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:07 .

[Skellimancer]

KarstenKlausen wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

How about we decided we didn't want to go the explicit sex and nudity route, and believe that tasteful romance and sex scenes fit the game, game world, genre, and medium better than explicit sex would?

....

How about we're not making a movie or a sex game, and while it is possible to have tasteful full frontal or sex, you'll have to look elsewhere for it?

In the case in question, though, what was (I suspect) from the devs/writers perspective supposed to be an intimate moment and the culmination of my PC's relationsship with Morrigan instead ended up falling somewhere between WTF  and ROFL. I mean, the lady literally gets dressed for sex - in a bad way. She runs around all day flashing side boob and playing coy, and ends up in grandma's underwear once it's smecksy time? 

I have no problem with you not wanting full nudity in game - and it IS your game after all -  but then save us the weird clips of 4 different sex positions with half-dressed people. Give us some clever camera play to cover up the naughty bits, if they're too much, 80's Hollywood blockbuster style. Not the current clothed-kama-sutra show.

Fade to black would have been best as it took a lot of my willpower not to burst out laughing during the intimate scenes.

Be thankful they didn't add quick timed events to get through the scene..

[Dnarris]

Stanley Woo wrote...

How about we decided we didn't want to go the explicit sex and nudity route, and believe that tasteful romance and sex scenes fit the game, game world, genre, and medium better than explicit sex would?

How about we want to appeal to as many people as possible, and having explicit sex and/or nudity would be counter-productive?

How about we're not making a movie or a sex game, and while it is possible to have tasteful full frontal or sex, you'll have to look elsewhere for it?

How about it doesn't matter how much time we have, it is unlikely that we will decide to include explicit sex and/or nudity in our game?

The soapboxing, nationalism, and personal tolerances have nothing to do with this being our game and we decide what to include and exclude, for various reasons. If y'all are truly "mature" enough to accept sex and violence in your games, you should also be mature enough to accept a lack of sex and violence in your games.

How about you mind your business and let us chat amongst ourselves and you go back to whatever Bioware is paying you to do.

Modifié par Dnarris, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:18 .

[secutor56]

the only redeeming thing was that they didn't have as many mesh overlaps as they could.

[ByblosHex]

Bioware gets extra respect from me for having tasteful romance & sexual encounters.

[addiction21]

Skellimancer wrote...

KarstenKlausen wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

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Fade to black would have been best as it took a lot of my willpower not to burst out laughing during the intimate scenes.

Be thankful they didn't add quick timed events to get through the scene..

I dunno the quick time events could add to a sense of immersion...

Modifié par addiction21, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:14 .

[SkiTheMadRussian]

Dnarris wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

How about we decided we didn't want to go the explicit sex and nudity route, and believe that tasteful romance and sex scenes fit the game, game world, genre, and medium better than explicit sex would?

How about we want to appeal to as many people as possible, and having explicit sex and/or nudity would be counter-productive?

How about we're not making a movie or a sex game, and while it is possible to have tasteful full frontal or sex, you'll have to look elsewhere for it?

How about it doesn't matter how much time we have, it is unlikely that we will decide to include explicit sex and/or nudity in our game?

The soapboxing, nationalism, and personal tolerances have nothing to do with this being our game and we decide what to include and exclude, for various reasons. If y'all are truly "mature" enough to accept sex and violence in your games, you should also be mature enough to accept a lack of sex and violence in your games.

How about you mind your business and let us chat amongst ourselves and you back to whatever Bioware is paying you to do.

Agreed. These "Bioware" folks that post in this manner are clowns. Guess what, we BOUGHT this game. Which technically makes it ours now too. Folks here don't have a problem with sex NOT being in this game or with it BEING in this game. Its the fact that its done very very poorly and ruins the atmosphere.

[ByblosHex]

You bought a license to PLAY the game. You don't OWN jack squat.

[EricHVela]

Yup. You BOUGHT the game, as-is, where-is. Be thankful that are any patches, but it seems to me like BW's stance is that they made a choice and won't release an adult patch for this. This sounds more like a community mod than a BW patch. I think it would have been better to simply ask in the Toolset forum for a total-nude-sex mod than complain about it here.

Do something about it if it is really all that important.

I'm going for some waffles because that's more important right now.

[addiction21]

ByblosHex wrote...

You bought a license to PLAY the game. You don't OWN jack squat.

Shhhhh logic is not welcomed here...  Its true tho. Go ahead press a few hundred copies of the game and go sell them on ebay. Let us know how that works out for ya MadRussian.

They put out the game how they wanted to and have given us the toolset to do whatever we want with it. If its so damned upsetting how about fixing it up to your standards instead of throwing a tempertantrum to get someone else to do it for you (which if they ever did you would most likely still be upset about).

[Velz]

If this stuff bothers you that much that you need to complain about it and demand a patch instead of just using your freaking imagination then you have problems.

[Solica]

Holy, Maria Caliban and Stanley Woo still here? ...Well, why wouldn't they be... At least I recognize someone. nevermind.

...- And still threads like this being made?!

I truly hope this is inspired and fueled more by dismay at EA and Bioware folding to Fox, than any real desire to include nudity in this game. I fail to see any importance or relevance in that.

[Thaladar]

I agree with the main point of this thread - the sex scenes could still have been tasteful and artful by using camera angles and clipping/cropping instead of covering up them up with generic underwear.



I wasn't looking for full nudity, but it feels like you can see more on Morrigan in her normal robes and can certainly see more on the Desire Demon cutscene than in the sex scene. It feels like a last-minute design change in order to keep the scene but still satisfy the ESRB.



I'm not sure if its worth patching or fixing at this point, but I'd personally like to see it redone, resources permitting.