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Dnarris wrote...
Personally, I wanted a scene that I felt flowed well, didn't seem as awkard as the one presented, and I certainly fully support the display of boobies. So there.


*Smokes pipe*

Ah yes, as a connoisseur of all things erotic, this didn't fit my pallet. Congratulations Bio-WHERE, you didn't add breasts to fill an experinced man like me up. You call that erotic? Please, my anime collection is more edgy then this tripe. I mean, how loud do I have to say "MEH"?

Bad move my friends. Bad move. Excuse me, I'm off to see eroticism done right in real fantasy with my world of warcraft fan fiction group. Feh. 

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Westbound wrote...

Dnarris wrote...
Personally, I wanted a scene that I felt flowed well, didn't seem as awkard as the one presented, and I certainly fully support the display of boobies. So there.


*Smokes pipe*

Ah yes, as a connoisseur of all things erotic, this didn't fit my pallet. Congratulations Bio-WHERE, you didn't add breasts to fill an experinced man like me up. You call that erotic? Please, my anime collection is more edgy then this tripe. I mean, how loud do I have to say "MEH"?

Bad move my friends. Bad move. Excuse me, I'm off to see eroticism done right in real fantasy with my world of warcraft fan fiction group. Feh. 


Ah, yes. I understand who you are.

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Well I honestly have to say thank you Stanley for the new professional reply. I love this game, and the dev team should be commended. It is impossible to please everyone, but it is nice that here the crowd tends to be (majority) more mature and willing to participate in a real discussion rather than just bickering.

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These are easily some of the best romance sub-plots Bioware has done in my opinion and it just seems kind of sad to top it off with that. It wasn't terrible and it wasn't a game breaker, just a rather large disappointment considering the quality of work beforehand. 


Haha, you were let down by a romance scene in a video game?

Anywho~ I am trying to think of previous Bioware titles that you are talking about. I can't remember hardcore romance in Baulders gate and the like. I think, like, one time, I saw in text "You tho slept with the dark elf" or something, but it wasn't burned into my brain as a epic moment in gaming. Mass effect is the only thing I can think of and even then seeing a butt didn't make the scene more exciting or mature then DA.


You missed the entire point of my post buddy, I'd like to go back, re-read it all, understand, then come back and I'll be more then happy discuss and debate it with you.

With that said, let down is a poor word to use but I suppose the way I worded my post made it seem that way. It was an odd momemnt, so yes because I found it so strange it did in turn lead to a feeling of disappointment along side a bit of laughter. Now I'm not sure why you're assuming by romance subplots I'm talking about vivid sex scenes unless you are extremely narrowminded. I'm talking about the dialouge and the buildup of the relationship, in my opinion it's the best they've done yet. The sex scene has nothing to do with it, indeed I would have prefered they'd go blackout like they did in KoToR then do what they did here. 

I just found it rather stupid overall compared to everything else around it, they chose to put it in and since they did I would have just expected better quality, and no quality doesn't mean showing off some pixelated T&A but rather a more accurate represenation of the moment which is being expressed. Mass Effects was done very well, Jade Empire implied it nicely, KoToR even did it fine with the blackout. This just kind of makes me scratch my head a bit.

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I feel sorry for the artist that textured the Morrigan model.  The artist went to all that trouble of texturing nipples on Morrigan (and yes BioWare we know they are there, damn you!), only to have all their hard work covered up.  Would you cover up a Venus de Milo? I think not! Can you imagine all the strip clubs and models they had to go through to get the perfect nipple!?  I can hear the conversation now:

Lead Dev:  We have put the gold stamp and DA:O and you have all done a great job but I do have some bad news.  I'm sorry <Nipple Artist> but the characters will be wearing underwear while they are having sex.

<Nipple Artist> WTF!!??  You mean I did all that research at the strip clubs and hiring prostitutes for nothing?  Do you know how many breasts I had to stare at in order to get the perfect nipple!!?? All that perfecting the alignment on the texture map was for nothing!!?  Who the f**k wears underwear while having sex!!??  I didn't know our characters were Amish!  That's the last time I put my heart and soul in texturing a nipple only to have my work covered up with a piece of cloth the character didn't have on in the first place!

:devil:

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TheMadCat wrote...

Now I'm not sure why you're assuming by romance subplots I'm talking about vivid sex scenes unless you are extremely narrowminded. I'm talking about the dialouge and the buildup of the relationship, in my opinion it's the best they've done yet.


Definitely. In Mass Effect I basically did the romances just because they were there, and they didn't mean much to me. In Dragon Age I find myself really caring about Leliana.

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TheMadCat wrote...
I just found it rather stupid overall compared to everything else around it, they chose to put it in and since they did I would have just expected better quality, and no quality doesn't mean showing off some pixelated T&A but rather a more accurate represenation of the moment which is being expressed. Mass Effects was done very well, Jade Empire implied it nicely, KoToR even did it fine with the blackout. This just kind of makes me scratch my head a bit.

Blah blah... Smug smug smug... blah blah blah....


The thread title is called "Adult patching please!" 

What... people cuddling in underware?! My... artistic soul.... she is dead... 

The dialog and the like before was fine. Quit being a snob. 

Modifié par Westbound, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:05 .


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Westbound wrote...

Blah blah... Smug smug smug... blah blah blah....


The thread title is called "Adult patching please!" 

What... people cuddling in underware?! My... artistic soul.... she is dead... 

The dialog and the like before was fine. Quit being a snob. 


Of course! The title....that clearly depicts every opinion expressed within the thread.

You ignorant waste of time.

Modifié par Dnarris, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:11 .


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Westbound wrote...
The thread title is called "Adult patching please!"

It's usually a good idea to read more than the title of a topic before replying to it ;)

Fading to black after the kiss would have been better.

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I think the point of this is many feel that there was false advertising. (although some of the posts are a little scary, if you want to see genitals that badly get penthouse or something)



My feeling on the subject is that DA:O does not have a revolutionary gaming style. It takes a fairly standard gaming style and promises to do it better. They do this by making it voilent, edgy, and visually spectacular. The scenes were none of these. They can't claim "tasteful" they left the missionary position.



*The point is: They held up gold in the trailers, and handed out crap in the game.



On the other hand, it's a very minor point. For whatever reason (ratings, or most likely production time.) 30 sec of a 50+ hr experience was fudged. It's still a spectacular game, with excellently writen romance options. If this issue ruins your gaming experience, you need a new hobby.

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Westbound wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...
I just found it rather stupid overall compared to everything else around it, they chose to put it in and since they did I would have just expected better quality, and no quality doesn't mean showing off some pixelated T&A but rather a more accurate represenation of the moment which is being expressed. Mass Effects was done very well, Jade Empire implied it nicely, KoToR even did it fine with the blackout. This just kind of makes me scratch my head a bit.

Blah blah... Smug smug smug... blah blah blah....


The thread title is called "Adult patching please!" 

What... people cuddling in underware?! My... artistic soul.... she is dead... 

The dialog and the like before was fine. Quit being a snob. 

:lol:
My aren't you a clever and witty little boy . Here I'll simplify it a bit for you.

You see you pointed out my problem. Everything else leading up to it is amazing, top notch work. Why climax it with that joke. Indeed it is a minor issue and does little to detract from the game itself, Dragon Age is still one of the best RPG's this decade and this scene isn't going to raise or lower it's rating in my eyes, but that doesn't mean things can't be improved upon. It's not the lack of nudity most people including myself are upset about rather then entire scene itself. Maybe if you sat back and actully read a few posts and thought a moment instead of trolling to make yourself feel a little bigger and better you would have realized that.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:22 .


#187
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secutor56 wrote...

I think the point of this is many feel that there was false advertising. (although some of the posts are a little scary, if you want to see genitals that badly get penthouse or something)

My feeling on the subject is that DA:O does not have a revolutionary gaming style. It takes a fairly standard gaming style and promises to do it better. They do this by making it voilent, edgy, and visually spectacular. The scenes were none of these. They can't claim "tasteful" they left the missionary position.

*The point is: They held up gold in the trailers, and handed out crap in the game.

On the other hand, it's a very minor point. For whatever reason (ratings, or most likely production time.) 30 sec of a 50+ hr experience was fudged. It's still a spectacular game, with excellently writen romance options. If this issue ruins your gaming experience, you need a new hobby.


I agree with you in a sense.

This particular aspect does not make or break the game in anyway.

However, some do feel that it does make or break the romantic pursuit in the game. Some people feel the romance is an important aspect of the game. I am certain they all have different reasons for that and those reason are not a point of contention nor should that really matter.

The point of the discussion is that some, perhaps not the original poster, see merits in doing the lustful scenes in another way even if it does not contain nudity.

I think silhouettes would have been more provactive and engimatic than what was presented in the game. If they had to leave the presentation the same way, I'd say the nudity adds more than it detracts.

In the way the game presents it the carnal actions are the culmination of the romantic pursuit and being the climax, I think it could have been handled in a way that leant meaning to the romantic interaction coming prior. Whether it required nudity or not.

I, however, will never recant my support of nudity when it isn't gratuitous.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Nobody is asking for penises and vaginas in great detail with penetration shots and money shots


I am.

Default137 wrote...

Yeah.

Thing is, none of us here want to see nudity for the sake of seeing nudity...


I do, and have said as much on this very thread.

Solica wrote...

Holy, Maria Caliban and Stanley Woo still here? ...Well, why wouldn't they be... At least I recognize someone. nevermind.


Solica! Good to see a friendly face. If only the front page worked, you’d see I’m still quite active, but spend most of my time on the spoiler forum.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Nobody is asking for penises and vaginas in great detail with penetration shots and money shots


I am.

Default137 wrote...

Yeah.

Thing is, none of us here want to see nudity for the sake of seeing nudity...


I do, and have said as much on this very thread.

Solica wrote...

Holy, Maria Caliban and Stanley Woo still here? ...Well, why wouldn't they be... At least I recognize someone. nevermind.


Solica! Good to see a friendly face. If only the front page worked, you’d see I’m still quite active, but spend most of my time on the spoiler forum.


And of course there are exceptions to nearly everything.

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i hate getting a boner while playing games...it just simply distracts me...thanks for no complete nudity.

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What I find ironic is that Morrigan's "regular" clothing is more revealing than her "underwear" (not to mention her body shape drastically changes between the two as well).  It makes it far less believable.

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There seems to be a strange difference in the way video games are looked at compared to just about every other field of art (or media).  I'd like to see developers make bold moves in this direction, to show the masses that video games are not just (or mainly!) for the children anymore.  And, just like the pioneers of movies, music, and art before it, it will need to bare the heat and ridicule of the outspoken minority.

So, I would be tempted to deal a little criticism on Bioware's (or perhaps EA's) apparent donning of kids gloves on this one.  Not because BW should be making a game about sex; but because it seemed to be marketed as one of the more boldly made games.  "Mature" and "adult."  And it is definitely both of those.  But the scenes in question suggest an entirely different artistic decision.

It just seems to be an odd dichotomy.  Compare to a hypothetical movie:  98% of the game is gritty, bloody, harsh, adult -themed, completely rated R.  Until the love scene, then it switches to daytime TV for a couple minutes, then shifts straight back to R.  The decision that was made, I can understand the reasons completely.  But it is glaring to me nonetheless, and I would have been pleasently suprised to see one of my favorite developers push the envelope on this one.

All that aside, I completely enjoyed the game, and the romance is certainly not a game-breaker.  It wouldn't even be a criticism if not for the apparent double standard mentioned earlier.

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*delete double posting fail*

Modifié par Giolon, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:33 .


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I don't think an adult patch is needed, it just says more about NA in general.

You can't show a nipple, that needs to be censored, but beheadings and throats slittings are apparently "allright".

Bioware also has a doublestandard, they thought the fox news attack was out of line, yet the next game put braws and panties/shorts on each character in the sex scene, so either you agree with fox news or you shouldnt say they are wrong when you do what they ask for in the next game.


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opps dp.

Modifié par Raxtoren, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:34 .


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Dnarris wrote...

And of course there are exceptions to nearly everything.


Seroiusly. We are perverts. Hear we RAWR.

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Westbound wrote...

Default137 wrote...
However, I am an adult who plays video games to immerse myself in them, to get away from the real world which quite honestly kind of sucks, I play them to become my character and enjoy myself, help other people or whatever, and occasionally I like to do the romances as they are usually quite well written, interestingly done, and in some cases, are so well written I actually enjoy going through them, rather then just doing them for the obligatory sex scene in the end like the perverts you claim us to be would do.

blah blah blah... blah blah blah.... blah blah blah... I'm an adult and I think video games need to be done better art wise blah blah blah, laughable blah blah blah...


Man, this post just screams aspergers. 

Edit: Hey Bioware, another note. Can you fix this avatar? Doofus is looking in the wrong direction and appears all fuzzy. Like his soul has been converted into a .jpg


Man, your post just screams "IM A DOUCHEBAG".  Congrats

Troll measurements are going off the charts.

I recommend others to just ignore this waste.

Modifié par Crawling_Chaos, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:40 .


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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Westbound wrote...

Default137 wrote...
However, I am an adult who plays video games to immerse myself in them, to get away from the real world which quite honestly kind of sucks, I play them to become my character and enjoy myself, help other people or whatever, and occasionally I like to do the romances as they are usually quite well written, interestingly done, and in some cases, are so well written I actually enjoy going through them, rather then just doing them for the obligatory sex scene in the end like the perverts you claim us to be would do.

blah blah blah... blah blah blah.... blah blah blah... I'm an adult and I think video games need to be done better art wise blah blah blah, laughable blah blah blah...


Man, this post just screams aspergers. 

Edit: Hey Bioware, another note. Can you fix this avatar? Doofus is looking in the wrong direction and appears all fuzzy. Like his soul has been converted into a .jpg


Man, your post just screams "IM A DOUCHEBAG".  Congrats

Troll measurements are going off the charts.

I recommend others to just ignore this waste.


The second most sensible conclusion I've seen in this thread.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Westbound wrote...

Default137 wrote...
However, I am an adult who plays video games to immerse myself in them, to get away from the real world which quite honestly kind of sucks, I play them to become my character and enjoy myself, help other people or whatever, and occasionally I like to do the romances as they are usually quite well written, interestingly done, and in some cases, are so well written I actually enjoy going through them, rather then just doing them for the obligatory sex scene in the end like the perverts you claim us to be would do.

blah blah blah... blah blah blah.... blah blah blah... I'm an adult and I think video games need to be done better art wise blah blah blah, laughable blah blah blah...


Man, this post just screams aspergers. 

Edit: Hey Bioware, another note. Can you fix this avatar? Doofus is looking in the wrong direction and appears all fuzzy. Like his soul has been converted into a .jpg


Man, your post just screams "IM A DOUCHEBAG".  Congrats

Troll measurements are going off the charts.

I recommend others to just ignore this waste.


The second most sensible conclusion I've seen in this thread.

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Considering how certain conservative media blew the scenes in Mass Effect waaaaaaay out of proportion I'm going to say that Bioware made the right call. I mean, they flat-out accused them of making ME interactive erotica. As absolutely absurd and utterly brainless and irresponsible as that was there are plenty of people out there that are inclined to believe everything they hear on TV.