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[Ashira Shepard]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
For people who do not know what this is a reference to

Lets just say it is extremely ****ed up

Remember Broodmothers?

Its kind of like that

No Alma is scarier than broodmothers. And yet I'd still hug her. Weird.

:3

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Modifié par AshiraShepard, 06 avril 2011 - 02:49 .

[Helena Tylena]

ReconTeam wrote...

Saibh wrote...
It should matter, actually. While BioWare is a company, it's a company that's part of a society. There's nothing inherently wrong with not including any homosexual content--but there is something inherently wrong with including the option to get rid of what has already been implemented. Such a toggle only exists to cater to the bigots and homophobes.

And such people shouldn't be catered to. If you choose not to cater to homosexuals, that's fine. But it's a different thing entirely to include something that eradicates any mention or indication of a minority existing, because it makes those people uncomfortable with that minority's existence cringe.

I don't see any sense behind your argument. The fact that YOU think something is bigotry does not make it so. You simply want to force your viewpoint (political correctness or else) on others. If you don't like the option don't check it.

Such people shouldn't be catered to? Why should you be catered to?

That fact that you think something isn't bigotry doesn't make it any less bigotry.

What I did there. Do you see it?

As for being catered to: heterosexuals have the option to engage in heterosexual relationships. They also have the option to not engage in gay relationships. How are they not being catered to?

[Saibh]

ReconTeam wrote...

I don't see any sense behind your argument. The fact that YOU think something is bigotry does not make it so. You simply want to force your viewpoint (political correctness or else) on others. If you don't like the option don't check it.

Such people shouldn't be catered to? Why should you be catered to?

I don't have to be, actually. If I were, installing the game would put free money in my bank account.

But, as I already said, it's harmless to not include anything. Lack of homosexual content in DAII would have been disappointing for those who wanted it, but it would say nothing outside BioWare chose not to allot resources to that area. Removing the option is different--for reasons already stated.

Having a gay guy hit on you is not forcing his political viewpoint upon you, anymore than Hawke's mom and dad being married is forcing a hetero viewpoint on gays. It simply exists because people with different sexualities than yours do.

Modifié par Saibh, 06 avril 2011 - 02:49 .

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

ReconTeam wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...
Why should you be catered to?
There was no way I could type that and not sound immature.

Well why should your mom!!! be catered to? Oh snap.

My point is Bioware is respecting the opinion of a segment of homosexuals, so why shouldn't they respect my opinion and give me an option to say no from the start?

Then DON'T flirt with men. And let's say they flirt with you first. Big deal, say no and move on with your life. What's so hard about that?

[Horus Blackheart]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
 The fact that YOU think something is bigotry does not make it so. 

If someone doesn't like gay people, that makes them homophobic.

I mean.

That's the definition.

Are you arguing that people that don't like gays don't actually not like them?

Sorry I have to corect this: homophobic.refers to the fear of homosexual activty not that a person hates homosexuals. Its just misconstrude to mean hate.

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

Seena wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...



I don't see any sense behind your argument. The fact that YOU think something is bigotry does not make it so. You simply want to force your viewpoint (political correctness or else) on others. If you don't like the option don't check it.

Such people shouldn't be catered to? Why should you be catered to?

No one is "forcing" anything on anyone.  See the heart? - Don't click  that option.

Don't like the option of the heart?

Um... don't buy the game.

It's that simple.

Make love people not war, you too are arguing like an old married couple. Emphisis on the make love part!!!

[Inquisitor Recon]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
If someone doesn't like gay people, that makes them homophobic.

I mean.

That's the definition.

Are you arguing that people that don't like gays don't actually not like them?

A phobia involves an irrational fear of something. Finding something objectionable is not an irrational fear, especially when it is natural for a heterosexual to be rather disgusted by certain things.

[Satyricon331]

ReconTeam wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
If someone doesn't like gay people, that makes them homophobic.

I mean.

That's the definition.

Are you arguing that people that don't like gays don't actually not like them?

A phobia involves an irrational fear of something. Finding something objectionable is not an irrational fear, especially when it is natural for a heterosexual to be rather disgusted by certain things.

lol.  And butterflies are flies that reside on butter.

[Saphara]

Ryzaki wrote...

*blinks*

So...that broken heart icon doesn't stop a romance from occuring? So Anders and Fenris raped M!Hawke in your games?

apparantly some people rather have a blindfold and go "LALALA GAYS DONT EXIST IN MY WORLD LALALA"

when in real life, most people that have matured, when confronted with said disagreeable issue, would just tough up and deal with it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
For people who do not know what this is a reference to

Lets just say it is extremely ****ed up

Remember Broodmothers?

Its kind of like that

No Alma is scarier than broodmothers. And yet I'd still hug her. Weird.

:3

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[Inquisitor Recon]

DrunkDeadman wrote...
Then DON'T flirt with men. And let's say they flirt with you first. Big deal, say no and move on with your life. What's so hard about that?

What's so hard about an option to say no from the start?

[Helena Tylena]

ReconTeam wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
If someone doesn't like gay people, that makes them homophobic.

I mean.

That's the definition.

Are you arguing that people that don't like gays don't actually not like them?

A phobia involves an irrational fear of something. Finding something objectionable is not an irrational fear, especially when it is natural for a heterosexual to be rather disgusted by certain things.

'fear' is relative. As is 'irrational'.
But homophobia isn't a phobia per se.
"Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards lesbian, gay, bisexual, and in some cases transgender and intersex people and behaviour."
~Wikipedia

[Saibh]

Horus Blackheart wrote...

Sorry I have to corect this: homophobic.refers to the fear of homosexual activty not that a person hates homosexuals. Its just misconstrude to mean hate.

No. It means hate. To fear or dislike them, for no other reason than their sexuality.

[Ryzaki]

ReconTeam wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...
Then DON'T flirt with men. And let's say they flirt with you first. Big deal, say no and move on with your life. What's so hard about that?

What's so hard about an option to say no from the start?

...You have an option to say no from the start. As soon as Anders hits on you you can shut him down. 

[Saphara]

Horus Blackheart wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
 The fact that YOU think something is bigotry does not make it so. 

If someone doesn't like gay people, that makes them homophobic.

I mean.

That's the definition.

Are you arguing that people that don't like gays don't actually not like them?

Sorry I have to corect this: homophobic.refers to the fear of homosexual activty not that a person hates homosexuals. Its just misconstrude to mean hate.

except that hate often manifests from fear.

Or has Yoda lied all this time?

[skunkdoctor]

ReconTeam wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...
Why should you be catered to?
There was no way I could type that and not sound immature.

Well why should your mom!!! be catered to? Oh snap.

My point is Bioware is respecting the opinion of a segment of homosexuals, so why shouldn't they respect my opinion and give me an option to say no from the start?

It's pretty clear that based on Bioware's assumedly sanctioned response from Gaider: they think you are an idiot for thinking there is somehow something wrong with homosexuality and wanting the option to "say no (to gay) from the start", and you can either buy their games or not. And I applaud that.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Satyricon331 wrote...
lol.  And butterflies are flies that reside on butter.

Do you have something to contribute? Or do you just fail to understand the definition of phobia?

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[Ryzaki]

Saphara wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

*blinks*

So...that broken heart icon doesn't stop a romance from occuring? So Anders and Fenris raped M!Hawke in your games?

apparantly some people rather have a blindfold and go "LALALA GAYS DONT EXIST IN MY WORLD LALALA"

when in real life, most people that have matured, when confronted with said disagreeable issue, would just tough up and deal with it.

Hell I'm not even mature and I know when to say "no thanks" tis not a hard concept. 

It's not like Anders/Fenris romances are traps like that damn Asari consort. 

[Saibh]

ReconTeam wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...
Then DON'T flirt with men. And let's say they flirt with you first. Big deal, say no and move on with your life. What's so hard about that?

What's so hard about an option to say no from the start?

Because that isn't what the toggle would be. It's removing the presence of alternate sexualities from the game.

For it to be saying 'no' from the start, it would have to be something like Hawke saying a scripted 'no' instead of choosing it...and...really...how is that any different than you selecting it yourself?

[Satyricon331]

ReconTeam wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...
lol.  And butterflies are flies that reside on butter.

Do you have something to contribute? Or do you just fail to understand the definition of phobia?

I parodied mindless prejudice a number of pages ago.  And I pointed out that your mindless etymology is linguistically spurious.  

[Gavinthelocust]

ReconTeam wrote...

DrunkDeadman wrote...
Then DON'T flirt with men. And let's say they flirt with you first. Big deal, say no and move on with your life. What's so hard about that?

What's so hard about an option to say no from the start?

It would complicate things even further by making it so that people such as me who think an option like that shouldn't be included aren't being catered to, so we complain. Then it's a big revolving door of complaining and stupid, just leave it as it is.

[Maugrim]

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[Saphara]

ReconTeam wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...
lol.  And butterflies are flies that reside on butter.

Do you have something to contribute? Or do you just fail to understand the definition of phobia?

That is it's litteral deffinition yes but as fear breeds hate, homophobic would still be correct.

I wasnt aware a word only had one static meaning.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Ryzaki wrote...
...You have an option to say no from the start. As soon as Anders hits on you you can shut him down. 

Now I know your doing this to frusterate me but I meant start of the game.