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[AntiChri5]

ReconTeam wrote...

Seena wrote...
Rant

We don't deserve an option to disable such content? In that case you don't deserve gay LIs. You insist on having a choice of gay LIs yet straight players don't deserve a choice to opt out of such content?

They wasted all of that effort to add gay LIs, yet they shouldn't waste the effort for a "no" option. Face it, you're insisting Bioware flash this in everybody's face.

You do have a choice to opt out.

It is called saying no.

Otherwise known as boning the chick instead.

[TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain]

Seena wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Seena wrote...
Rant

We don't deserve an option to disable such content? In that case you don't deserve gay LIs. You insist on having a choice of gay LIs yet straight players don't deserve a choice to opt out of such content?

They wasted all of that effort to add gay LIs, yet they shouldn't waste the effort for a "no" option. Face it, you're insisting Bioware flash this in everybody's face.

No,  you don't "deserve" anything, and why you feel entitled to such is - bemusing.

Gays, lesbians, bisexuals - and (gasp) women play games - not just het male gamers.

Get used to the idea of devs being more inclusive. Especially with RPGS which are meant to mimic real life. You want a het male testosterone fest?

Stick with Gears of War.

Problem solved.

oh and your just plain ****ing ignorant. I can understand your pro gay, but attacking a het male simply for expressing his views is a lot like what you are against.

[Paraxial]

Horus Blackheart wrote...

not really helping dude

edit slow boards I was adressing Bible Doctor

What am I supposed to be helping? 

[Zjarcal]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...
Everyone one has a preference deal with it.

Yes you're right, and last time I checked, the game allowed you to play according to it.

[Zkyire]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

Hypocritical bull****e at its best in this thread. You know what gets my proverbial goat. That homosexuals complain and complain that their rights are being overlooked but when a heterosexual expresses distaste in such an aspect we have no right to do so because it is intolerant. Frankly I say the least they could do is make character's sexuality based on realism. Not everyone you know is gay in real life right, nor are all the people you know predominantly straight. They should go back to DA:O system where some are gay some are straight and some are b. You know realism.

To all gay people, if you want people to take your rights and please seriously, I doubt you will accomplish much by assaulting the heterosexual preference of someone. Everyone one has a preference deal with it, and it is very immature to say someone is insecure simply because they do not particularly like a certain sexuality or it does not appeal to them.

I don't even think there are any actual homosexual characters in DA2.

They're either bi or hetero.

[Red Panda]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

Seena wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Seena wrote...
Rant

We don't deserve an option to disable such content? In that case you don't deserve gay LIs. You insist on having a choice of gay LIs yet straight players don't deserve a choice to opt out of such content?

They wasted all of that effort to add gay LIs, yet they shouldn't waste the effort for a "no" option. Face it, you're insisting Bioware flash this in everybody's face.

No,  you don't "deserve" anything, and why you feel entitled to such is - bemusing.

Gays, lesbians, bisexuals - and (gasp) women play games - not just het male gamers.

Get used to the idea of devs being more inclusive. Especially with RPGS which are meant to mimic real life. You want a het male testosterone fest?

Stick with Gears of War.

Problem solved.

oh and your just plain ****ing ignorant. I can understand your pro gay, but attacking a het male simply for expressing his views is a lot like what you are against.

It's called tolerance, people.

[Helena Tylena]

I want an option to turn off stupid demands to have an option to turn off content x or y.

If you're offended by there being gay people in your game, I advise against going out of your house ever at all.

[Gavinthelocust]

ReconTeam wrote...

Seena wrote...
Rant

We don't deserve an option to disable such content? In that case you don't deserve gay LIs. You insist on having a choice of gay LIs yet straight players don't deserve a choice to opt out of such content?

They wasted all of that effort to add gay LIs, yet they shouldn't waste the effort for a "no" option. Face it, you're insisting Bioware flash this in everybody's face.

They also wasted effort to make hetero romances, they still did it because they knew a percentage of the players would like it. Just like how they knew a percentage of players would like gay romances so they put them in, the only people they're excluding are the people who can't rest easy knowing their game has homosexuality in it. I could complain about the straight romances being shoved in my face, but I won't.
Gays aren't a small little group of fetishists mocked by all like back in the 50's, we have rights and to favor one sexuality over the other is seen as wrong in most places. You're talking down to a tidal wave.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Seena wrote...
No,  you don't "deserve" anything, and why you feel entitled to such is - bemusing.

Gays, lesbians, bisexuals - and (gasp) women play games - not just het male gamers.

Get used to the idea of devs being more inclusive. Especially with RPGS which are meant to mimic real life. You want a het male testosterone fest?

Stick with Gears of War.

Problem solved.

Yet you think you "deserve" gay LIs? Really? Perhaps you're the one who should "deal with it" if this option offends your delicate sensibilites so much.

Yeah, you play games, I don't care about your sexual orientation so stop going on about it. Now please answer my question and tell me why an option shouldn't exist.

Go back to Gears of War? How clever. Maybe you should find some dating simulator instead.

[Xilizhra]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

Hypocritical bull****e at its best in this thread. You know what gets my proverbial goat. That homosexuals complain and complain that their rights are being overlooked but when a heterosexual expresses distaste in such an aspect we have no right to do so because it is intolerant. Frankly I say the least they could do is make character's sexuality based on realism. Not everyone you know is gay in real life right, nor are all the people you know predominantly straight. They should go back to DA:O system where some are gay some are straight and some are b. You know realism.

To all gay people, if you want people to take your rights and please seriously, I doubt you will accomplish much by assaulting the heterosexual preference of someone. Everyone one has a preference deal with it, and it is very immature to say someone is insecure simply because they do not particularly like a certain sexuality or it does not appeal to them.

In a marriage of extraordinary convenience, not everyone is gay in DA2 either! In fact, only four people are even bisexual, arguably! Glorious!

Also, I've yet to see heterosexuality attacked here. Or homosexuals demanding that they never be flirted with by heterosexual NPCs.

[Red Panda]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Seena wrote...
Rant

We don't deserve an option to disable such content? In that case you don't deserve gay LIs. You insist on having a choice of gay LIs yet straight players don't deserve a choice to opt out of such content?

They wasted all of that effort to add gay LIs, yet they shouldn't waste the effort for a "no" option. Face it, you're insisting Bioware flash this in everybody's face.

They also wasted effort to make hetero romances, they still did it because they knew a percentage of the players would like it. Just like how they knew a percentage of players would like gay romances so they put them in, the only people they're excluding are the people who can't rest easy knowing their game has homosexuality in it. I could complain about the straight romances being shoved in my face, but I won't.
Gays aren't a small little group of fetishists mocked by all like back in the 50's, we have rights and to favor one sexuality over the other is seen as wrong in most places. You're talking down to a tidal wave.

Thank you for the logic.

[Bacon Masta]

The homosexuality in DA:O was agreeable with me, with Leliana and Zevran having their preferences and the interactions involving them was that of a little surprise but overall acceptance. DA2 felt more like happy equality land where everyone is a progressive bisexual and shame on you for being a heterosexual where quite honestly broke my immersion and felt more like fan service and less like genuine interactions with your squad.

[Seena]

Bible Doctor wrote...

Seena wrote...
Stick with Gears of War.

Hey, so I was going to avoid this pool of morons getting trolled or trolling. But i'll have to step in here and ask you what the problem with Gears of War is? Are you implying that any heterosexual male gamers who played GoW are close minded bigots?

Generalization is a hell of a thing, as is hypocrisy.

No, I didn't mean that at all. In fact - I played GOW 1 and 2 and anxiously await GOW 3.  But I can pretty much guarantee there won't be any (male) homosexual references in the game.

The controversy amoung male gamers about even adding a (playable) female to the franchise - is fresh in my memory.

For the record I'm a bisexual female -   who's been playing games for many years - and frankly I've had my fill of playing male toons because I'm not given an option to play a female one. : )

Apologies for the miscommunication.

[Ashira Shepard]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...
To all gay people, if you want people to take your rights and please seriously, I doubt you will accomplish much by assaulting the heterosexual preference of someone. Everyone one has a preference deal with it, and it is very immature to say someone is insecure simply because they do not particularly like a certain sexuality or it does not appeal to them.

^This.

I have a male friend who is, naturally, totally comfortable with lesbians. But gay men make him a little iffy - this bothers me, but I don't say anything, I don't make him feel bad about it or even mention it. He's perfectly accepting so there's nothing to complain about.

Some people are just uncomfortable.

And this works both ways for some people.

*sigh* This is why sexuality is such a flame-inducing topic. It's very spiky

[Horus Blackheart]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

Hypocritical bull****e at its best in this thread. You know what gets my proverbial goat. That homosexuals complain and complain that their rights are being overlooked but when a heterosexual expresses distaste in such an aspect we have no right to do so because it is intolerant. Frankly I say the least they could do is make character's sexuality based on realism. Not everyone you know is gay in real life right, nor are all the people you know predominantly straight. They should go back to DA:O system where some are gay some are straight and some are b. You know realism.

To all gay people, if you want people to take your rights and please seriously, I doubt you will accomplish much by assaulting the heterosexual preference of someone. Everyone one has a preference deal with it, and it is very immature to say someone is insecure simply because they do not particularly like a certain sexuality or it does not appeal to them.

no one is doing that we are just pointing out that a swiitch for any and all options anyone might find remotly distatfull is rather hypcritcal. since when it comes to other types of games we demand no heavy handed and arbtrery censorship.

[Gavinthelocust]

Bacon Masta wrote...

The homosexuality in DA:O was agreeable with me, with Leliana and Zevran having their preferences and the interactions involving them was that of a little surprise but overall acceptance. DA2 felt more like happy equality land where everyone is a progressive bisexual and shame on you for being a heterosexual where quite honestly broke my immersion and felt more like fan service and less like genuine interactions with your squad.

This is one of the arguments I agree with, we can have homosexual and heterosexual romances without the "everyone is bi" mentality that breaks immersion a little. If they made some characters exclusive to both sexualities with a bi one it would make much more sense. I still love all the romance sidequests and wouldn't change it if I had the chance, but for the better for everyone this is the road we should take.

[Zkyire]

Seena wrote...

No,  you don't "deserve" anything, and why you feel entitled to such is - bemusing.

You're telling them that they don't deserve what they want.. yet you feel you deserve what you want?

Seena wrote...
Gays, lesbians, bisexuals - and (gasp) women play games - not just het male gamers.

But the majority of gamers are still (gasp) hetero males.

Seena wrote...
Get used to the idea of devs being more inclusive. Especially with RPGS which are meant to mimic real life. You want a het male testosterone fest?

Minorities shouldn't be excluded. But they're just that. Minorities. The majority of the "real life" population is hetero. By your own admission, RPGs should mimic real life, in which case, most of the characters should be hetero. Not bisexual, and not homosexual, who, combined make up a tiny fraction of the total population. So reflected in game, should make up a tiny fraction of the characters.

Seena wrote...
Stick with Gears of War.

Problem solved.

Nail in the coffin.

[Crimmsonwind]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I could be just as immature and say I want Bioware to waste resources in letting me turn off Het content, because I don't like the thought of my female PC going with a dude, the thought of it, the idea of it, makes me uncomfortable.

But I don't complain, because hey! I don't have to go with the dude, and oh my! I can even turn him down! Imagine that.



As a side note: I don't play Gears of War, but I do play CoD - as a whole, yes, the people on there tend to be ****s. Same with my other female friend who plays Halo. There are a lot of cool people on these types of games, but more often than not they're complete dicks.

You rang? 


Guys, if you don't want to pursue a homosexual relationship, just say "no" if it comes up. There's no "turn off the gay" option in real life. Yes, we're talking about video games here, but the amount of resources and energy it would take to cater to everybody's personal tastes would just be a waste. I'd rather have more story and actual fulfilling content than a dozen options to tweak the sexuality levels of a stupid game. DA2 had those (really neat, if a tad overwhelming at first) dialogue icons so you would KNOW when you were going to flirt with somebody. So all you have to do, if you don't want to pursue a relationship with someone, is just don't choose that dialogue option.

And *gasp* -insert deity here- forbid that someone of the same gender flirts a little bit with you in a game! Again. Just say no. If I can put up with the creepy dude on the train that occasionally leers at me, you can put up with a little bit of Anders' gay flirting.

In short, *sunglasses* Deal with it.

[Eterna]

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...

Hypocritical bull****e at its best in this thread. You know what gets my proverbial goat. That homosexuals complain and complain that their rights are being overlooked but when a heterosexual expresses distaste in such an aspect we have no right to do so because it is intolerant. Frankly I say the least they could do is make character's sexuality based on realism. Not everyone you know is gay in real life right, nor are all the people you know predominantly straight. They should go back to DA:O system where some are gay some are straight and some are b. You know realism.

To all gay people, if you want people to take your rights and please seriously, I doubt you will accomplish much by assaulting the heterosexual preference of someone. Everyone one has a preference deal with it, and it is very immature to say someone is insecure simply because they do not particularly like a certain sexuality or it does not appeal to them.

 I'm Gay and just want my prefrence to be included
I have no problem with heterosexuals, I just hate it when they suggest a Turn off gay option.  They may as well be saying " I don't approve of you nor your unatural lifestyle, thats why bioware must make an option for me to ignore people like you."

 It offends me.

Modifié par Eterna5, 06 avril 2011 - 01:51 .

[Helena Tylena]

AshiraShepard wrote...

TheGriffonsShallRiseAgain wrote...
To all gay people, if you want people to take your rights and please seriously, I doubt you will accomplish much by assaulting the heterosexual preference of someone. Everyone one has a preference deal with it, and it is very immature to say someone is insecure simply because they do not particularly like a certain sexuality or it does not appeal to them.

^This.

I have a male friend who is, naturally, totally comfortable with lesbians. But gay men make him a little iffy - this bothers me, but I don't say anything, I don't make him feel bad about it or even mention it. He's perfectly accepting so there's nothing to complain about.

Some people are just uncomfortable.

And this works both ways for some people.

*sigh* This is why sexuality is such a flame-inducing topic. It's very spiky

Straight men can make me uncomfortable. Especially when they're overly masculine. Other than that, the idea of straight sex bothers me.

Does that mean I should have an option to turn off all straight romances in the game? F*ck no. Heterosexuality is part of reality. I'm not going to stick my head in the ground and hide from it. I'm not going to demand I'm being catered to. I know I am lucky enough to have female-on-female relationships enabled to me in the game. I'm going to take what I get and run with it.

I'm not a special case. Nor is anyone else. Romances are entirely optional. If you don't want to do them, don't do them.

[Seena]

ReconTeam wrote...

Seena wrote...
No,  you don't "deserve" anything, and why you feel entitled to such is - bemusing.

Gays, lesbians, bisexuals - and (gasp) women play games - not just het male gamers.

Get used to the idea of devs being more inclusive. Especially with RPGS which are meant to mimic real life. You want a het male testosterone fest?

Stick with Gears of War.

Problem solved.

Yet you think you "deserve" gay LIs? Really? Perhaps you're the one who should "deal with it" if this option offends your delicate sensibilites so much.

Yeah, you play games, I don't care about your sexual orientation so stop going on about it. Now please answer my question and tell me why an option shouldn't exist.

Go back to Gears of War? How clever. Maybe you should find some dating simulator instead.

The only one who spoke of "deserving" anything - was yourself.

And prior to my above post - I made no mention of my sexual orientation at all.

Shame on you for making assumptions about people's sexuality. Heterosexuals (those out of the caves that is) support diversity as well.

I do believe your reading comprehension is lacking - I did state why I felt no such option was necessary. IMO it is a waste of resources and time,  also, as evidenced by your commentary-  doing so only leads to more people feeling that their agendas "deserve" attention.

The devs made a choice that was inclusive of all sexualities, specifically because people playing games- are of different genders and sexual orientations.

Don't like it?  I'll offer my same solution - stick with Gears of War.

[Seena]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Bacon Masta wrote...

The homosexuality in DA:O was agreeable with me, with Leliana and Zevran having their preferences and the interactions involving them was that of a little surprise but overall acceptance. DA2 felt more like happy equality land where everyone is a progressive bisexual and shame on you for being a heterosexual where quite honestly broke my immersion and felt more like fan service and less like genuine interactions with your squad.

This is one of the arguments I agree with, we can have homosexual and heterosexual romances without the "everyone is bi" mentality that breaks immersion a little. If they made some characters exclusive to both sexualities with a bi one it would make much more sense. I still love all the romance sidequests and wouldn't change it if I had the chance, but for the better for everyone this is the road we should take.

This also, I agree with. I haven't experimented enough - are all the characters potentially bi?

[Gavinthelocust]

Seena wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Bacon Masta wrote...

The homosexuality in DA:O was agreeable with me, with Leliana and Zevran having their preferences and the interactions involving them was that of a little surprise but overall acceptance. DA2 felt more like happy equality land where everyone is a progressive bisexual and shame on you for being a heterosexual where quite honestly broke my immersion and felt more like fan service and less like genuine interactions with your squad.

This is one of the arguments I agree with, we can have homosexual and heterosexual romances without the "everyone is bi" mentality that breaks immersion a little. If they made some characters exclusive to both sexualities with a bi one it would make much more sense. I still love all the romance sidequests and wouldn't change it if I had the chance, but for the better for everyone this is the road we should take.

This also, I agree with. I haven't experimented enough - are all the characters potentially bi?

In the words of Ishmael "They're all bi".

[Zjarcal]

Helena Tylena wrote...
Straight men can make me uncomfortable. Especially when they're overly masculine. Other than that, the idea of straight sex bothers me.

Does that mean I should have an option to turn off all straight romances in the game? F*ck no. Heterosexuality is part of reality. 

THIS.

In Awakening, Colbert tries to flirt with a female warden regardless of how she approaches him. There is no way to avoid it (especially since it's part of a main quest). Did it make me uncomfortable? Quite a bit. Do I want it out of the game? Absolutely not. Did the city elf origin in DAO make me horrendously uncomfortable when playing it as a female? Hell yeah it did. Would I want that origin out of the game? NO.

There are things that add to the realism and atmosphere of a game. This is one of them. 

So there are gay or bi characters in the world. That makes certain people uncomortable? Well, that's a shame.

[Ryzaki]

Helena Tylena wrote...
 
Straight men can make me uncomfortable. Especially when they're overly masculine. Other than that, the idea of straight sex bothers me.

Does that mean I should have an option to turn off all straight romances in the game? F*ck no. Heterosexuality is part of reality. I'm not going to stick my head in the ground and hide from it. I'm not going to demand I'm being catered to. I know I am lucky enough to have female-on-female relationships enabled to me in the game. I'm going to take what I get and run with it.

I'm not a special case. Nor is anyone else. Romances are entirely optional. If you don't want to do them, don't do them.

Indeed. 

It's not forced down anyone's throat. Say no and move it along. The world isn't going to explode because you get hit on by someone you didn't want.