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[MortalEngines]

sapientia24 wrote...
I also love the ending of siding with the mages, though there is one thing though you get 3 options when talking to the first enchanter orsinio and meredith.

the first option I believe is to side with the templars the third option is to side with the mages but there is a middle option which is that from what I read of the middle option it says that you refuse to side with the mages and templars. I have always wondered what will happen if you choose not to side with the mages or the templars.

I tried to choose that option, they both told me that their was no compromise and I had to make a stand and choose a side, in the end I choose mages, but only because my character was a mage and it fitted his personality.

[TJPags]

MortalEngines wrote...

sapientia24 wrote...
I also love the ending of siding with the mages, though there is one thing though you get 3 options when talking to the first enchanter orsinio and meredith.

the first option I believe is to side with the templars the third option is to side with the mages but there is a middle option which is that from what I read of the middle option it says that you refuse to side with the mages and templars. I have always wondered what will happen if you choose not to side with the mages or the templars.

I tried to choose that option, they both told me that their was no compromise and I had to make a stand and choose a side, in the end I choose mages, but only because my character was a mage and it fitted his personality.

Yup.  I hedged earlier in the game, but they made me choose here.

I only went with the mages because anulling the Circle when Anders was the nug-crazy lunatic who blew up the Chantry didn't sit well with me.  Especially since Meredith never said anything about punishing Anders.  I'd have done otherwise had she actually directed some of her anger at the actual culprit.

[SlayTheDragons]

i agree w/ the OP and on top of that you get Sebastian, potential ruler of Starkhaven, on your side if you side with the templars. siding w/ the mages made it seem like you condoned the murder of the grand cleric and i liked the old lady, so, templars it was. in the end, i'm glad we were able to get rid of orsino and meredith..couldn't stand those two.

[Augustei]

sapientia24 wrote...

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree, siding with the templars is wrong and the chantry and the templars got what they deserved all mages should be freed after all these long years of being on chantry leash. I will always side with the mages, especially with hawke's sister in the circle.

Thats the problem though.. they wont be freed... They'll be dead

[LPPrince]

sapientia24 wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

I sided with the mages, killed lyrium-mad Meredith, and inspired the uprising of mages all over Thedas.

I like that better.

I  did too.  It was awesome.  Part of me wants to have one play through with my siding with the Templars but I simply love this ending too much!

I also love the ending of siding with the mages, though there is one thing though you get 3 options when talking to the first enchanter orsinio and meredith.

the first option I believe is to side with the templars the third option is to side with the mages but there is a middle option which is that from what I read of the middle option it says that you refuse to side with the mages and templars. I have always wondered what will happen if you choose not to side with the mages or the templars.

Nothing. Meredith forces you to choose a side.

[graciegrace]

When I knew there was a choice between the Templars and the Mages I was leaning toward choosing the Templars, Mages have left a bad taste in my mouth throughout DA2...

However, I don't see any logic in choosing the Templars to be honest. Meredith is interested in genocide for genocide's sake. She blamed the circle for something an apostate did and wants to slaughter them. There's absolutely no logic to the templar's side of the war.

[Augustei]

Yakko77 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

I sided with the mages, killed lyrium-mad Meredith, and inspired the uprising of mages all over Thedas.

I like that better.

I  did too.  It was awesome.  Part of me wants to have one play through with my siding with the Templars but I simply love this ending too much!

The exact same thing happens if you side with the templars anyway.

[Augustei]

sapientia24 wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

The Big Nothing wrote...

I sided with the mages, killed lyrium-mad Meredith, and inspired the uprising of mages all over Thedas.

I like that better.

I  did too.  It was awesome.  Part of me wants to have one play through with my siding with the Templars but I simply love this ending too much!

I also love the ending of siding with the mages, though there is one thing though you get 3 options when talking to the first enchanter orsinio and meredith.

the first option I believe is to side with the templars the third option is to side with the mages but there is a middle option which is that from what I read of the middle option it says that you refuse to side with the mages and templars. I have always wondered what will happen if you choose not to side with the mages or the templars.

Meredith just says "As the champion you have to pick a side" or something like that and then you have to choose one of the other 2.

One reason I never liked siding against Meredith is because she tolerates that I am a Apostate and leaves me alone.. And yet SHE is the one who gave me my title of Champion of Kirkwall.. So really if she had just decided not to give me said title she would have gone and done the right of annulment anyway and I couldn't have done anything about it

[DKJaigen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

sapientia24 wrote...

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree, siding with the templars is wrong and the chantry and the templars got what they deserved all mages should be freed after all these long years of being on chantry leash. I will always side with the mages, especially with hawke's sister in the circle.

Thats the problem though.. they wont be freed... They'll be dead

Appearentyl not because in both endings the mages break free from the chantry. anyway you cannot justify killing a whole group of people because of the actions of a single man . what the templars did in kirkwall was a grave injustice. and it shows the rot within the templar order.

[nenosronhir]

She might give you the title, but if she hadn't, the general populace would still be screaming "Hawke!" in its place. The title is for show, Hawke's deeds are what give it merit and meaning.

[Augustei]

graciegrace wrote...

When I knew there was a choice between the Templars and the Mages I was leaning toward choosing the Templars, Mages have left a bad taste in my mouth throughout DA2...

However, I don't see any logic in choosing the Templars to be honest. Meredith is interested in genocide for genocide's sake. She blamed the circle for something an apostate did and wants to slaughter them. There's absolutely no logic to the templar's side of the war.

Well there is logic to their side of the war but not as much and not any really with the Annulment thing.

But there IS logic to siding with the templars yourself.
If you side with the templars, they will allow you to become Viscount and you can form alliances with other nations to put pause to Divine Justina's Exalted March.. or even better the templars will report the situation is under control in Kirkwall and the divine need not send forces.

The Alternative.. Side with the mages, no viscount. no allies, Templars report mage rebellion, exalted march declared, Many innocents die in the war... Well no sorry not a war, a one sided blood bath.. in the chantrys favor.

How the hell could you push back an exalted march when you will inevitably have riots in your streets with A) The Power Vaccum and  People resenting mages for the what anders done.. yes they will resent them all. And fight them because of it. like they did with the Fereldens, like they did with the Qunari. But far far worse.

Much more logic chosing templars then over mages

[Augustei]

DKJaigen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

sapientia24 wrote...

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree, siding with the templars is wrong and the chantry and the templars got what they deserved all mages should be freed after all these long years of being on chantry leash. I will always side with the mages, especially with hawke's sister in the circle.

Thats the problem though.. they wont be freed... They'll be dead

Appearentyl not because in both endings the mages break free from the chantry. anyway you cannot justify killing a whole group of people because of the actions of a single man . what the templars did in kirkwall was a grave injustice. and it shows the rot within the templar order.

your right you cant justify that, but you can justify sacrificing the few to save the many.. Which is exactly what its doing. The Circles revolt yes, but the Templars are trained to deal with the mages. and if need be the people will help out as well.. So those revolts will probably get put down.. And besides, The Exalted March could still be declared and it needs little support anyway since Kirkwall will be tearing itself apart from the power vaccum and the mage resentment. And even if no march was declared at all, even if that happened which is a massive gamble. Then there would still be mass deaths from the riots anyway

[Nathan Redgrave]

Meredith only went completely crazy at the end, and even then she has some shred of sense left--at one point during the final battle, she asks herself if she's doing the wrong thing, although she snaps back to insanity almost instantly. The overbearing methods of the Templars in Kirkwall built up gradually over almost a decade, it's not like they just suddenly decided to be ****s. And they all (with exception to one or two crueler Templars) were acting under the impression that their methods were correct. There was, after all, just enough truth to their stance to support the folly mixed in amongst it--that they had just cause to act as they did doesn't make them right.

Saying that siding with the Templars is the correct option simply because Hawke can, after choosing to side with the Templars, exert some measure of influence to spare unpossessed mages, doesn't really make much sense from Hawke's point of view. From the player's, sure, because the player may well know that ahead of time, but Hawke isn't psychic--s/he only has his or her own prejudices and viewpoints to work with, and the knowledge of the present situation: Anders went all Independence Day on the Chantry and the Knight-Commander wants to wipe out the Circle for something a non-Circle mage did. From Hawke's point of view, there would have to be some pretty strong personal reasons to side with the Templars in that situation. Mind you, the game provides those, but it would hardly be "logical," since the Templars' actions in and of themselves aren't logical.

Or, Hawke could just side with the Templars out of prudence (not wanted to get caught in the fallout following the incidenct), but that's another issue entirely.

[DarkSpider88]

My Hawke could never side against her sister, she doesn't care how many templers she has to cutr through to keep her safe.

[LobselVith8]

A Viscount who has no power because all the real authority lies with the Order of Templars, so what's the point in killing innocent people for an insane Knight-Commander? I'd rather be free than a pawn of the new Knight-Commander.

[MortalEngines]

XxDeonxX wrote...
Meredith just says "As the champion you have to pick a side" or something like that and then you have to choose one of the other 2.

One reason I never liked siding against Meredith is because she tolerates that I am a Apostate and leaves me alone.. And yet SHE is the one who gave me my title of Champion of Kirkwall.. So really if she had just decided not to give me said title she would have gone and done the right of annulment anyway and I couldn't have done anything about it

She did not give you the title, the public did, she just did it on their behalf. Something to note about Meredith, alot of things she does is because she knows how the public react (like not killing mages after the Chantry will cause citizens to riot anyway).

She tolerates you being an Apostate because you can clearly control yourself and because you've done a great good for Kirkwall, she has no reason to lock you up that wouldn't cause Kirkwall to riot. As Varric said, you are the second most important person in Kirkwall apart from her, getting rid of you would be like the Queen of England arresting the Prime Minister just because she can, the country would riot.

[PantheraOnca]

XxDeonxX wrote...



your right you cant justify that, but you can justify sacrificing the few to save the many..

Only if the few volunteer, otherwise it is not justifiable, as practical as it may be.  these few certainly weren't volunteering.

Modifié par PantheraOnca, 13 mars 2011 - 06:12 .

[SNJ]

@LobselVith

You fight Meredith either way, so the smarter choice in my opinion would be to side with the Templars, you become the viscount, and you free everyone of the oppression of Meredith.

Modifié par SNJ, 13 mars 2011 - 06:14 .

[TJPags]

DarkSpider88 wrote...

My Hawke could never side against her sister, she doesn't care how many templers she has to cutr through to keep her safe.

My Hawke had a hard time caring about this sister who he hasn't seen in about 7 years. 

He wanted to  - in fact, in that Orsino quest, his goal was to rescue his sister and hit the road.  Wasn't an option. 

At the end, his preference was also to grab his sister, hit the road, and let Anders, Orsino, Meredith, the Templars and the Circle go to hell.  Wasn't an option either.

In the end, she had no impact on my "choice", since the only choice I wanted to make that involved her wasn't an option.

[nenosronhir]

Well, right from the start of the game we're aware that Kirkwall is a league above the rest of the Circles/cities on Thedas; "There are a lot of Templars in Kirkwall," And I'm fairly certain it's stated near the beginning of the game (by Varric?) that Templars almost run the city, and mages are already kept under severe watch, it escalates further through the years with Meredith's paranoia.

[DKJaigen]

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your right you cant justify that, but you can justify sacrificing the few to save the many.. Which is exactly what its doing.
i have no idea how to respond to this without being banned. i sincerly hope the rest of humanity doesnt hold such cowardly views as your own.

The Circles revolt yes, but the Templars are trained to deal with the mages. and if need be the people will help out as well.. So those revolts will probably get put down.. The problem with mages is that they unlimited soldiers in the form of demons. furtermore mages are still very powerful on their own.


And besides, The Exalted March could still be declared and it needs little support anyway since Kirkwall will be tearing itself apart from the power vaccum and the mage resentment. And even if no march was declared at all, even if that happened which is a massive gamble. Then there would still be mass deaths from the riots anyway

not enough information for that.

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[Augustei]

Another matter of concern is the growing tensions between Orlais and Ferelden.. War is indeed possible and thats why Alistairs comes to visit us to tell us to protect kirkwall or something like that. he wants them as an Ally most likely to help ferelden and her possible ally to control the channel from invading fleets from Orlais. Siding with the Templars is definitly most benficial for this situation.
Because 1) It gets a ferelden on Kirkwalls throne and 2) It gets a Ferelden leading the Templars of the east =D

Fereldens future is safer if siding with the Templars. This isn't a statement of justificiation for siding with the templars. So dont say something like "That doesn't justify blah blah blah" Im just pointing this out.

[AlexXIV]

It is the best choice even if you are not really a templar supporter. The mages in Kirkwall are nuts. Almost every apostate turns out a blood mage, and the first enchanter ... seriously, if it would have been Irving I'd stand with the mages. But Orsino? Thanks, but no thanks. Cullen seems to be a rather bright fellow in DA2 and sometimes even listens to you. I don't like Orsino any better or worse than Meredith, but frankly, after Anders' screwing up and Orsino's abomination transformation there is no good ending for the mages in Kirkwall. Best for Hawke is to stand with the templars and Kirkwall.

[Augustei]

DKJaigen wrote...
your right you cant justify that, but you can justify sacrificing the few to save the many.. Which is exactly what its doing.
i have no idea how to respond to this without being banned. i sincerly hope the rest of humanity doesnt hold such cowardly views as your own.

The Circles revolt yes, but the Templars are trained to deal with the mages. and if need be the people will help out as well.. So those revolts will probably get put down.. The problem with mages is that they unlimited soldiers in the form of demons. furtermore mages are still very powerful on their own.


And besides, The Exalted March could still be declared and it needs little support anyway since Kirkwall will be tearing itself apart from the power vaccum and the mage resentment. And even if no march was declared at all, even if that happened which is a massive gamble. Then there would still be mass deaths from the riots anyway

not enough information for that.

1) Stfu ****
2) Ok? So they will get themselves killed by tearing the veil, summoning to many demons and all goes to hell... Like it did in DA2 where there were pride demons running around everywhere even before the main templar forces got to the damn tower!
3) Well the people moved against the Fereldens, They moved against the Qunari.. Why the hell wouldn't they move against the mages? Especially when as far as they are concerned were the ones who blew up their bloody chantry. They were the ones who caused pride demons to run freely through the street.. While the Templars stood by and tried to stop it.. If you think the people would just accept the mages then your just daft so revolts are a certain..

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 13 mars 2011 - 06:42 .

[KenKenpachi]

DKJaigen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

sapientia24 wrote...

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree, siding with the templars is wrong and the chantry and the templars got what they deserved all mages should be freed after all these long years of being on chantry leash. I will always side with the mages, especially with hawke's sister in the circle.

Thats the problem though.. they wont be freed... They'll be dead

Appearentyl not because in both endings the mages break free from the chantry. anyway you cannot justify killing a whole group of people because of the actions of a single man . what the templars did in kirkwall was a grave injustice. and it shows the rot within the templar order.

You do know that both the First and 2nd World War were more or less the results of just "one man" that lead to the deaths of millions right? Hell if I were a criminal or an overlord and you used that But its just one man line on me, I'ld go

"Well you know what else one man can do?" :Wut? "This" *shoots you in the face. Never discount the actions of one, for in history the actions of only one person can make a tidal wave that moves, or even kills millions. Life is not fair, free, or nice, it is not logical, and it is not charst and graphs. Mark my words the Mages breaking free will have horrible repercussions. You don't take a group that see's its self as surpressed, or downtrodden when in fact all things considerd most people would soon as kill them, and hand them the keys to the city.  It never ever WILL play out as "Yay we're free now lets all get along!" Events in the Mid East, Yugoslavia, whole regions of Africa are proof of this. Even in various other minorities or opressed people in the ages, once they rise up it doesn't end with freedom.

It ends in murder. In fact agreat many of the US loyalist in the revolution had to flee after the war, or be killed. In fact in my region is a park called, Tory Hole. Why? The revolutionist in the town hunted down and murder them all down in it. The Mages won't just go, YAY we are free! They will go YAY WE ARE FREE! LETS SACK THE CITY!