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Anyone played a Two handed warrior without using Anders and Aveline on Hard/Nightmare


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XOGHunter246

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I ask this because I do not want to be forced to use the same Companions as my first run on my second runs as a two handed warrior. I know I will need Varrick for traps and chests again but I was wondering if anyone here has completed hard maybe silly question Nightmare without Anders and Aveline.

I like to use diffrent Companions so i can see what each one is like but this game seems you need a healer and tank and if I am not either myself I am left with Anders and Aveline.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 13 mars 2011 - 01:19 .


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there is a mod floating around that you can give Merrell the healing line of spells, and any spell tree for that matter. If your that conserned about using another mage. Also with that mod you can make Fenris a full on tank by giving him Ave's tanking tree...

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I'm currently playing Nightmare with a 2H Warrior Hawke. I haven't beaten the game yet, but so far so good. I'm still toying around with different squad combinations. I usually do have Anders in my party, but I never use Aveline anymore. There are 3 party setups that I tent to use a lot so far, which is:

1. 2H Warrior Hawke - Fenris - Anders - Merril
2. 2H Warrior Hawke - Fenris - Anders - Varric
3. 2h Warrior Hawke - Merril - Anders - Varric

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Check out this guide http://social.biowar...96096/7#6510776

Its perfect for nightmare.

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NowImNothing30

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adamwan wrote...
Its perfect for nightmare.


or any difficulty, awesome way to play a 2h...

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XOGHunter246

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Thanks for that Adam very detailed guide for a two hander I will take a more in dept look guess i will use Merril and Varric just for locks and see how it goes. I was kind of expecting Anders to be a very important part of team unless your the healing mage. I'm just going to dump Aveline as soon as I can still annoying being forced to use Anders:?

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 13 mars 2011 - 02:02 .


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Mod to give Merrill creation tree and heal. Goodbye Anders.

http://social.biowar...-6492984-1.html

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demonic_cookie

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Aveline is actually pretty useless on Nightmare if you play 2h warrior, with friendly fire and all. Even without the mods you can do away with Anders starting from mid-teen levels. By that time you most likely have enough health/armor/buffs to last between the potion cooldowns.

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I agree. Every so often I'll wish I had a dedicated tank to handle an enemy, but mostly Aveline is dead weight for a 2h warrior. She gets in the way and contributes next to no damage.

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I actually need to retract my previous statement. During her companion missions I found she is actually very useful at keeping the mages safe. Just set her tactics right and put her on hold near them, and whenever someone tries to swarm them your 2h warrior doesn't have to break his AOE massacre and risk one-shotting the mages while trying to protect them.

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 I would say you need Anders, Aveline is bad for 2handed warrior on nightmare. To much aoe from your own attacks for other mele.

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I tried it, and I died pretty quick.
even though I must admit the most full battle crew is Merill, Hawke, Anders, and Isabella. The fireworks are really pretty.
But Isabella is usually a one hit kill mistake AOE from death, and both Merrill and Anders don't have high fortitude so they just just get knock backed to death.

It might be possible replacing Avaline in your screw with Sebastian, his Guardian Angel skill is very useful for drawing enemy attention.

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NowImNothing30 wrote...

there is a mod floating around that you can give Merrell the healing line of spells, and any spell tree for that matter. If your that conserned about using another mage. Also with that mod you can make Fenris a full on tank by giving him Ave's tanking tree...


You can also do that through console commands such as:
runscript removetalent #
301000 - Elemental; 302000 - Primal; 303000 - Spirit; 304000 - Arcane; 305000 - Entropy
306000 - Creation; 307000 - Force Mage; 308000 - Spirit Healer; 309000 - Blood Mage

then
runscript addtalent #

you can also add talent trees from other classes as well as the dlc class

courtesy of http://dragonage.wik...(Dragon_Age_II)

Modifié par Lulong, 14 mars 2011 - 12:25 .


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XOGHunter246

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DA Trap Star wrote...

I tried it, and I died pretty quick.
even though I must admit the most full battle crew is Merill, Hawke, Anders, and Isabella. The fireworks are really pretty.
But Isabella is usually a one hit kill mistake AOE from death, and both Merrill and Anders don't have high fortitude so they just just get knock backed to death.

It might be possible replacing Avaline in your screw with Sebastian, his Guardian Angel skill is very useful for drawing enemy attention.


Like how you said screw lol dunno if a typo or ment to be said.

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demonic_cookie wrote...

I actually need to retract my previous statement. During her companion missions I found she is actually very useful at keeping the mages safe. Just set her tactics right and put her on hold near them, and whenever someone tries to swarm them your 2h warrior doesn't have to break his AOE massacre and risk one-shotting the mages while trying to protect them.


/cough using Scythe to get to them faster is a bad idea btw ;)

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i am at it right now. i let fenris tank with 2hand. i got anders and myself as spirit healer ;> works good so far. but we will see on the deep roads bosses which are the hardest ones in my opinion on nightmare.
hadnt much trouble with other bosses with my first party.

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Ive switched to fenris/varric/merril and hawk as spirit healer since act two and it works much better then having aveline as dead weight.

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XOGHunter246 wrote...

I ask this because I do not want to be forced to use the same Companions as my first run on my second runs as a two handed warrior. I know I will need Varrick for traps and chests again but I was wondering if anyone here has completed hard maybe silly question Nightmare without Anders and Aveline.

I like to use diffrent Companions so i can see what each one is like but this game seems you need a healer and tank and if I am not either myself I am left with Anders and Aveline.




I've done stuff with varric, seb and merril(damage/debuff spec). It honestly wasn't that different other than going through more potions. I've never really used aveline... as a tank is just a waste of a group spot.

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You don't need a healer on Nightmare, you just need to build the rest of your team properly.

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sevenplusone wrote...

You don't need a healer on Nightmare, you just need to build the rest of your team properly.


Would you care to elaborate?  Broadly speaking, how would you build the rest of your team?

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yeah you can play without healer. i did deep roads without in playthrough 1. just the one boss with the red aoe is kinda sick if u have only left 4 potions ;>. for him i lowered difficulty had no other choice.
since i had aveline i did not enough dmg. and she hadnt even specced rally to regain mana stamina on party. so phase 2 when he rolls around and cleaves i had no chance to survive until he died.
so ya with a 2handed tank it works better for no heal partys. rally is always fine so u can keep dps up while u kite. second u need is crowd control. from freeze which fails often over petrify to prison to horror. while ur rogue character should get alot of obscure so they miss stunns etc.
if u play a rogue urself assasinate best way to get rid of mages assasins quick to save potions^^.
yeah and a lot of kiting involved dodge whirlwinds of bosses and so on. fire breaths.
best rogue talent for no heal party is where he stealthes and leaves a copy they bash on it even if u exit stealth and kill them. it keeps aggro somehow lol

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Sebastian, Varric, Merill and 2hd Hawke.

Probably the most fun I've had on boss fights due to how hard Varric and Sebastian hit for. Otherwise, use Varric and Merill almost always and pick a 3rd that fits your party best.