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[acewings]

After reading the previous posts on this forum, I've done some research, and it seems that the online codes are causing more problems for consumers than needed. They really need to get rid of the code system. They did it because they wanted more money. They don't get revenue from used games, but what are players supposed to do with it once they beat it? Should we recycle them? That doesn't make sense! Also, game stores survive off of used game sales, this method is just wrong. As other users pointed out: there's no way that this can be an accident that forum bans link directly to the game, that's kind of hard to mess up. The solution to these unjust ingame bans is simple: get rid of the code system!

http://www.cnbc.com/...Used_Game_Sales

Modifié par acewings, 23 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[Gyrannon]

Honestly, This subject or topic of discussion should be dropped an forgotten.
oh dear god, he can't play his game, oh no! Actually he can, you don't NEED to login to get the experience out of a game. Sure, he paid for the DLCs an extra content,but can't play them now because he clearly did something dumb an Morrigan smacked him with her staff in return.

But is the bruise permanant? Nope. Do the Mods & Admins understand the whole story? Yes.
Are they as spooked as you are? Uh huh. Is the matter being resolved? After reading them "Yes" a hundred times, I think that seriously means YES.
An if you ask "what if it happened to you?", I would of course get bummed out but I wouldnt make so much of a big deal out of it by whining to the forums - I would first, use my brain an call EA Tech Support an then in no time the matter would be resolved. If I had to wait a few days, or even a week for it to be fixed, I wouldn't blow a gasket an start blaming people who CLEARLY are trying to fix this random error.

The matter is being resolved. Soon he'll get to play his game, hurray for him, but idiotic of him for posting something that would obviously get him banned - he deserved what he had coming.
Just be happy with the fact that it didn't happen to you.
Where are you Stanley Woo? This thread NEEDS your wrath.

[acewings]

Gyrannon, did you read that link and interpret it? The fact of the matter is: people wouldn't be having these problems if EA/Bioware didn't try to crush Gamestop and other stores by destroying their used sales. To me it has passed the point of "Dude, that's pretty unfair to the banned users", to "They really need to change their policies". I have a feeling that EA is losing more business due to their standpoints and bad customer service. Too many companies try to work around the problems, rather than addressing them. Look what has happened because of the new codes!

As for the users who have gotten an in-game ban, they should receive some form of compensation. I'm pretty sure that some consumer rights laws have been violated because of this. I'll have to double-check on that when I have more freetime, though. I realise that I've not really been affected by this a whole lot, but it's really annoying to get pop-up messages in-game to ask for a code in games like "Medal of Honor", and others, to access online play.

[Gyrannon]

games that are multiplayer, I would understand. But single player games? honestly, not something to complain about.
You an anyone else who remains here b******* an complaining over content that will be "on hold for a bit" is seriously a waste of time. THEY GET IT! Can you not be patient??? When waiting in line for a meal, are you going scream at the manager for the long line???
Company software errors, it happens! If the problem is that monumental, then call up a lawyer an go to court - best way to get their attention if you hate them that much.

Its a game, its not the end of the world. Honestly, the best suggestion I could give EA/BW is sell DLC at retail stores an screw the "singleplayer online" crap - Online play is only worth it if it is actually a multiplayer game.
And on the bit about the codes they have in place, if you really think they should get rid the new code system, an they listen to you, then expect an even LONGER wait.
Cause once (IF) they get rid of the code system that they are use to, then they'll have to make a totally different one or place everyone into a code system that is currently obsolete (an probably has more errors). THINK. BE PATIENT. Further complaints won't make go any faster.

[Pacifien]

acewings wrote...
I was directed here from a thread that I made about another issue someone had on the forum. My post:
*snip*

Good lord, I redirected you to a response from BioWare on this issue. Unfair that he couldn't play his game that he purchased? BioWare agrees!

[WanderingIdler]

Fernando's update is worth somewhere between half- to one-and-a-half cheers in bringing an end to a 3-year policy by EA (which presumably will apply to all EA games, not just DA2?).

Now how about doing something about those unable to play (and those choosing to boycott) by removing the requirement to activate online in the first place? It is not going to help stop piracy (if anything, it would likely encourage it since the pirated versions don't have such a restriction) and does adversely limit the game's longevity (as noted in numerous posts here and here).

Modifié par WanderingIdler, 24 mars 2011 - 05:54 .

[Gyrannon]

Ok here's a question, if people are so afraid of this "SecuRom" , why don't they check to see if the game truly requires it? If the game doesn't need that invasive program, then go after a securom killer - there are programs/utilities that were made by people who also hate securom an devised a way to remove it from their games (permanently).

Honestly, I understand how much of a pain that software is, hell its apart of Dungeon Keeper 2 an even if the original disc is in there, securom will say "please insert Original DK2 disc" an then game crash. An since Bullfrog is no longer around an their servers are dead, no new patches for it have been released to fix the thousands of other errors in the game, which forces other gamers to create their own unofficial patches an utilities to fix it (one of the fixes being, securom is removed!).
An thanks to that patch, I can actually play the game - securom I do agree is evil.

[acewings]

WanderingIdler wrote...

Fernando's update is worth somewhere between half- to one-and-a-half cheers in bringing an end to a 3-year policy by EA (which presumably will apply to all EA games, not just DA2?).

Now how about doing something about those unable to play (and those choosing to boycott) by removing the requirement to activate online in the first place? It is not going to help stop piracy (if anything, it would likely encourage it since the pirated versions don't have such a restriction) and does adversely limit the game's longevity (as noted in numerous posts here and here).

That's what EA claims is the reason for it Wandering. However, I myself as a political critic, have learned to read in-between the lines of statements. They only implemented the code system to get people to quit buying used games. I understand that piracy may be a factor, but it's not the sole reason/prime factor imo. My belief is that this code system has done more harm than it has good, thus they should discontinue it. (Also, to be honest WanderingIdler, I'm not much of a boycotter, I'm really against not buying something or doing something that I enjoy, especially knowing that it probably wouldn't make a difference to anything other than my fun. Besides, I'm getting DA2 next week!) I guess Mahatma Ghandi was right: “Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed”

@Pacifien, I'm sorry it seemed like I was directing it towards you. I didn't mean for it to come out that way AT ALL. I was just clarifying, sorry if it came out as directed at you. I also did notice other moderator comments on the issue when browsing. Glad to know you guys agree with us, thanks!

Modifié par acewings, 24 mars 2011 - 09:01 .

[Gecon]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

Please remember that corporations are amoral institutions. They don't exist to do right or wrong, they exist to make a profit.

QFT, and thats whats wrong about them.

Cooperations are made of people, therefore they are social constructs and therefore should have to operate socially and democratically like everything else in our society.

It is an absurd split in our current society that politics is considered democratic, while the economy is not. Considering that the economy is the source of our wealth and a considerable source of power, it has therefore to be democratic.

(Same applies btw to the military)

[acewings]

Gecon wrote...

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

Please remember that corporations are amoral institutions. They don't exist to do right or wrong, they exist to make a profit.

QFT, and thats whats wrong about them.

Cooperations are made of people, therefore they are social constructs and therefore should have to operate socially and democratically like everything else in our society.

It is an absurd split in our current society that politics is considered democratic, while the economy is not. Considering that the economy is the source of our wealth and a considerable source of power, it has therefore to be democratic.

(Same applies btw to the military)

I agree with you 100%, but let's keep this discussion on topic.

Modifié par acewings, 25 mars 2011 - 03:29 .

[tez20]

Hey guys, all i have heard from EA is that they will not (can not) re activate my account. They also cannot change any information on it, so i cannot change my xbox gamertag from the terminated account to this one. So basically i cannot log into an EA account while playing a game. I do not know how this affects any multiplayer games yet, i am going to have to borrow fifa off a mate and see if i can play online but it seems unlikely. As i have previously downloaded the black emporium and the exiled prince i think i can still play them as they are on my xbox HDD. But i do not know about DLC i will download AFTER the account termination. I shall buy arrival when it comes up and see if i can play it.
If i cannot play multiplayer or new DLC because of the terminated account i guess i will just have to boycott EA's games. The only developer i will miss will be Bioware as their games are magnificent. So it will not be a huge loss to me if I boycott EA games.
Surprisingly i have been contacted by a lot of people following this story and alot of them boycott EA games because of these sort of issues the company is apparently known for. I guess Activision are not the worst publishers as i always thought.

[DukeOfNukes]

[Edit: Comments removed for being political as well as making personal assumptions about another poster that are inappropriate. - Pacifien]

Modifié par Pacifien, 24 mars 2011 - 06:54 .

[Pacifien]

Politics are not open for discussion on these forums as the topic has proven far too volatile for the people of these forums many times in the past. Reacquaint yourself with the Site Rules.

Also, do keep your assumptions about people out of the thread. Getting personal about each other rather than sticking to the topic at hand is also a cause of many problems in regards to the Site Rules.

[DukeOfNukes]

it was not an assumption...actually quite the opposite, it was saying we know absolutely NOTHING about why he was banned. I would thank you to delete your comment from my post, as it posts me in an inappropriate negative light. Also, you should delete the post 2 in front of mine, because it's also "political" in nature...

[Jack Pipsam]

EA isn't the greatest company in the world, however I doubt they are trying to stop us from speaking what we think of them (as long as it is civil)

ps. speaking of EA and forums... when are we getting the Dark Age of Camelot forum!

[KenKenpachi]

Jesus H Jumping Chirst on a pogo stick, Why is this still going, $50 bucks the dude that was mistakenly banned was from 4Chan. Guys it was a mistake, what do you want for bioware to give him money, a cup cake, you a pat on the back?

**** I don't see this on Blizzards site for Starcraft 2 and they pretty much EVERYDAY cut people off from online Single player, on purpose. So far around 10,000 people. Or is this one of those, one death is a tragedy, a thousand a statistic? You ask me the only damn reason some of you are even keeping this **** going its more fuel for you to use on Dragonage 2.

For the love of God.... It is a game, say it with me now, it is a game. Some of you are acting like its some sort of conspiricy equal to the NWO. Calm the **** down, its an accident and games are never made exactly as we want them to be,ever. In place of looking at the bad look at the good, if you see no good, go elsewhere, and don't buy it.
For gods sake I can't remember how many times I've said negitive comments about EA, and gee here I am.

Its obvious I work for EA and am a fake person, in fact I'm a bot who shines Dragon Age up real nice and worships Dragon Age 2, as thats Impossible it was the worst game ever made as its not DA:O 2!

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 25 mars 2011 - 02:41 .

[Jack Pipsam]

People don't view it as "just a game"

[KenKenpachi]

Doesn't change the fact its what it is, and if it has so many of you upset, you need professional help.

[Shirosaki17]

Games cost money. So it isn't just about games. Imagine in the future when several games are tied to your account and you lose them all at once. You could lose a few hundred dollars. That is a big deal. It sets a bad precedent for them to do this that can and will likely be abused in the future.

[KenKenpachi]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Games cost money. So it isn't just about games. Imagine in the future when several games are tied to your account and you lose them all at once. You could lose a few hundred dollars. That is a big deal. It sets a bad precedent for them to do this that can and will likely be abused in the future.

Thats why I keep physical copies and I don't place much value on material items as you can lose those at any time. Also why I will never buy any online titles or MMO's. Once gaming gets to overtake my life, its clear to me that its going out the door. Hell I destoryed things that I've spent money on, purely as I wanted too. So not a good argument on me.

No addication is healthy. And gaming for some is worse than crack. Actully most technolgy for that matter. And if we ever have a large solar event, or something like an EMP. It won't be pretty I think we'll see a huge social breakdown. And thats something stupid to go nuts over considering we survived how long without any of this ****?

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 26 mars 2011 - 05:01 .

[Shirosaki17]

It's not just about gaming. It's about consumer rights being infringed on by corporations. That's infinitely more important than just gaming. You may be apathetic about this because it seems small atm, but that kind of control should never be in any corporation's hands. It's disappointing so many people don't see the implications to these kinds of actions.

They waited until a day before the game was released to announce the game had no auto attack when the game went gold about a month before release. They did so to sell more copies and make more money. If consumers put up with those kinds of lies and just blindly purchase products regardless then corporations will keep on doing it. Corporations are all about what makes them the most money, and consumer ignorance can make them a lot of money. (and apathy)

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 26 mars 2011 - 05:03 .

[KenKenpachi]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

It's not just about gaming. It's about consumer rights being infringed on by corporations. That's infinitely more important than just gaming. You may be apathetic about this because it seems small atm, but that kind of control should never be in any corporation's hands. It's disappointing so many people don't see the implications to these kinds of actions.

Its nothing new, you know the phrase "I sold my soul to the company" Its pretty litteral. Coal miners used to get paid in company cash, that could only be spent at company stores. With jacked up prices, so you were a little more than a slave. Economic dependance works the same today. All I can say to that is an even older saying.

Always read the small print. Where there is money there is greed, where there is greed there is power. And sooner or later those on top will kick the ladder out from those under them to make sure no one else gets there. This issue which was a mistake is nothing new. Used to be where if you won't careful and say you didn't do the work promised they could take things from you. Or lets say someone sold you a contract that lets you cook some food they made up for your restruant. Then they show up for a share they didn't mention but thats on the document you signed.

This is nothing new, and its happend before as long as we've had money or a system of trade.


As to your final part, yes that is an issue but legally there is nothing that can be done. Its like I tell those around me.

"Just because its law doesn't make it right" and thats something alot of people don't seem to get. Laws protect the unjust as often as the just if not more so. Thats why I pretty much don't care about most things, its all the same **** another day, with a new face.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 26 mars 2011 - 05:10 .

[Shirosaki17]

Are you talking about the auto attack issue or the ban issue? The ban issue may be illegal depending on different country's consumer laws. I don't think Bioware or EA would be trying to change the system if it wasn't illegal in some countries, otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to fix it.

I don't know about the auto attack. Are sure that's not illegal to wait until the last minute to announce a feature isn't in a game, after saying it was, even after the game was being mass produced? Why don't consumers have the right to return games with features that were promised and weren't included? You think everyone saw that thread where Chris Priestly says on the second page there was no auto attack? People tried the demo and it was announced many times the game would have auto attack afterwards.

[KenKenpachi]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Are you talking about the auto attack issue or the ban issue? The ban issue may be illegal depending on different country's consumer laws. I don't think Bioware or EA would be trying to change the system if it wasn't illegal in some countries, otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to fix it.

I don't know about the auto attack. Are sure that's not illegal to wait until the last minute to announce a feature isn't in a game, after saying it was, even after the game was being mass produced? Why don't consumers have the right to return games with features that were promised and weren't included? You think everyone saw that thread where Chris Priestly says on the second page there was no auto attack? People tried the demo and it was announced many times the game would have auto attack afterwards.

Yeah I saw it problem is it wasn't on a contract, I can post on here with a promise to give you all a puppy, and guess what, so long as its not on a legal binding document, not a court in the land will give a crap about it. Thats just how the System works. If Bio keeps it up or not, yeah might change ones opinion, but the law of the land says your not entitled to ****.

Mind you not saying I agree, thats just telling it how it is. Its there property (because of the User agreement), its like if you own a car, a home, land. You never do, stop paying your tax on it see how long till its taken. Thats why I don't sign **** till I read it all.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 26 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[acewings]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Are you talking about the auto attack issue or the ban issue? The ban issue may be illegal depending on different country's consumer laws. I don't think Bioware or EA would be trying to change the system if it wasn't illegal in some countries, otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to fix it.

I don't know about the auto attack. Are sure that's not illegal to wait until the last minute to announce a feature isn't in a game, after saying it was, even after the game was being mass produced? Why don't consumers have the right to return games with features that were promised and weren't included? You think everyone saw that thread where Chris Priestly says on the second page there was no auto attack? People tried the demo and it was announced many times the game would have auto attack afterwards.

They should just scrap the entire system. I shouldn't have to link a dlc code to this account JUST to be able to access DLC and stuff. It's nothing but a hassle to do so, regardless of what system it's on. They created a problem because people were buying used games. I fail to see why they can't just include it on game discs as it's been like that for a while...

Oh wait, they'd lose money again! Just like the fact that they're trying to go green so they're going to stop making game manuals, simply so they can save money while hiding behind the false premise of "it'll save the environment!". They're becoming the new Activision, and I strongly dislike the direction Bioware and EA are headed. They created this problem, not the person who made the comment that they "sold their soul to EA".

After seeing how them trying to shortchange everyone has screwed one of their paying customers, I probably will just buy EA's games used now to make up for the manuals and code hassles, because I really don't trust or like their current system or behavior.