"Mike, we have written a list of all noteworthy mage characters in the game on this inkboard. We need to decide which of these will be blood mages. Do you have any suggestions?"
Mike Laidlaw stares resolutely at the inkboard for a few seconds, stands up, and bodyslams the board to the floor.
"Good choice, sir."
Everyone is a goddamn blood mage
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 02:47
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lol
I went with the Templars because while not every Circle of Magi is screwed up, Kirkwall's is a mess and almost every friggen mage is a blood mage.
I went with the Templars because while not every Circle of Magi is screwed up, Kirkwall's is a mess and almost every friggen mage is a blood mage.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 02:59
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Not every mage is a blood mage.
Some are abominations and necromancers too.
Some are abominations and necromancers too.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:02
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This struck me as a bad writing decision. It really made sympathizing with the mages exceptionally difficult to rationalize. And then when Orsino does his thing I was like, "What!? In the same sentence, you're implying you've never been a blood mage yet you're suddenly pulling out of nowhere the baddest of the bad powers." Except for the Orlesian moron, almost every mage you come across is a blood mage and, not just a blood mage, but an evil blood mage. Maybe they didn't think they were clear enough in DAO that blood mage requires a pact with a demon or something so they wanted to fix it, but they went way overboard here.
On a related note, while I haven't dug completely into all the codex entries I've picked up, there is something of an explanation for why Kirkwall has such a huge number of blood mages (pay particular attention to the Enigma of Kirkwall entries). But this really should have been its own line of secondary (or even main) quests. This was a huge opportunity wasted. And even an increased number of them should not be an excuse to basically make every mage of significance a blood mage.
On a related note, while I haven't dug completely into all the codex entries I've picked up, there is something of an explanation for why Kirkwall has such a huge number of blood mages (pay particular attention to the Enigma of Kirkwall entries). But this really should have been its own line of secondary (or even main) quests. This was a huge opportunity wasted. And even an increased number of them should not be an excuse to basically make every mage of significance a blood mage.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:04
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yea i will end up sideing with templars my next play just cuz all the damn mages in kirkwall are bloodmages it seems ...
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:05
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SnowHeart1 wrote...
This struck me as a bad writing decision. It really made sympathizing with the mages exceptionally difficult to rationalize. And then when Orsino does his thing I was like, "What!? In the same sentence, you're implying you've never been a blood mage yet you're suddenly pulling out of nowhere the baddest of the bad powers." Except for the Orlesian moron, almost every mage you come across is a blood mage and, not just a blood mage, but an evil blood mage. Maybe they didn't think they were clear enough in DAO that blood mage requires a pact with a demon or something so they wanted to fix it, but they went way overboard here.
On a related note, while I haven't dug completely into all the codex entries I've picked up, there is something of an explanation for why Kirkwall has such a huge number of blood mages (pay particular attention to the Enigma of Kirkwall entries). But this really should have been its own line of secondary (or even main) quests. This was a huge opportunity wasted. And even an increased number of them should not be an excuse to basically make every mage of significance a blood mage.
I just thought it was a bit silly to make Orsino a blood mage. Not only that, but he turned himself into some sort of huge ****** blob demon-undead thing aswell.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:07
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Pshaw. There is nothing wrong with blood magic! Those Chantry dogs have no right to tell us mages what to do!
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:07
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LifeBlood wrote...
SnowHeart1 wrote...
This struck me as a bad writing decision. It really made sympathizing with the mages exceptionally difficult to rationalize. And then when Orsino does his thing I was like, "What!? In the same sentence, you're implying you've never been a blood mage yet you're suddenly pulling out of nowhere the baddest of the bad powers." Except for the Orlesian moron, almost every mage you come across is a blood mage and, not just a blood mage, but an evil blood mage. Maybe they didn't think they were clear enough in DAO that blood mage requires a pact with a demon or something so they wanted to fix it, but they went way overboard here.
On a related note, while I haven't dug completely into all the codex entries I've picked up, there is something of an explanation for why Kirkwall has such a huge number of blood mages (pay particular attention to the Enigma of Kirkwall entries). But this really should have been its own line of secondary (or even main) quests. This was a huge opportunity wasted. And even an increased number of them should not be an excuse to basically make every mage of significance a blood mage.
I just thought it was a bit silly to make Orsino a blood mage. Not only that, but he turned himself into some sort of huge ****** blob demon-undead thing aswell.
He turned himself into a Harvester.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:08
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It would make more sense to side with the mages if Orsino didn't use blood magic and didn't conspire to kill your mother.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:09
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Yeah all the blood mages were a little overkill.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:11
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Gavinthelocust wrote...
It would make more sense to side with the mages if Orsino didn't use blood magic and didn't conspire to kill your mother.
Wh... wh... what!? Oh god, I missed that. *sniffle*
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:13
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Yeah, it sorta made 'saving the circle' pointless, since they were originally saying
'Please dont kill me, Im not a blood mage'
and then what happens....
Yeah, their leader is a Blood Mage, or at least in his off hours.
'Please dont kill me, Im not a blood mage'
and then what happens....
Yeah, their leader is a Blood Mage, or at least in his off hours.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:14
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Maybe its the games way of saying it bites you in the ass, much like backing the Communists did for alot of your more smart and rich Russians.
Though if thats how they came to that Idea I find that hillarious and now want to work at bioware.
Though if thats how they came to that Idea I find that hillarious and now want to work at bioware.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:14
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SnowHeart1 wrote...
Gavinthelocust wrote...
It would make more sense to side with the mages if Orsino didn't use blood magic and didn't conspire to kill your mother.
Yeah, after you kill the serial killer you find a note signed O that says he's interested in the research and experiments he's conducting. Even going so far as to support what he's doing to make the frankstein woman to see the results. I would've just chalked this up as someone else if Orsino didn't name drop the serial killer and mention his research right before turning into a harvester. He knew about it the whole damn time.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:16
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LifeBlood wrote...
"Mike, we have written a list of all noteworthy mage characters in the game on this inkboard. We need to decide which of these will be blood mages. Do you have any suggestions?"
Mike Laidlaw stares resolutely at the inkboard for a few seconds, stands up, and bodyslams the board to the floor.
"Good choice, sir."
Nailed it, lol!
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:16
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Did I miss something, I sided with the mages and Orsino becomes a Harvester, which killed only a small group of Templars, then we had to kill him?!? Why did he attack us?
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:17
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Seems like it, though a blood mage doesn't mean they're evil. The Grey Wardens use blood magic and they're not evil, The Warden used blood magic and he/she wasn't evil, Hawke can use blood magic and he/she isn't evil (unless you make them evil).
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:18
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LifeBlood wrote...
I just thought it was a bit silly to make Orsino a blood mage. Not only that, but he turned himself into some sort of huge ****** blob demon-undead thing aswell.
On a more serious note, I completely agree. Orsino being a blood mage was bad enough, but what really annoyed me was that he was also AN IDIOT. "Herpdurp, you want blood magic? I'ma show you some blood magic!" I could have gotten behind him using blood magic (at least from a writing standpoint) if he had used it against the templars, absolutely devastating them in the process, but all he did was attack his allies and then die. Even if one were to argue that he lost control, that's not something I'd except from a character who has displayed such discipline and responsibility in past actions.
Worst moment in the game for me, and it's a shame that Bioware is starting to adopt the Bethesda attitude of: "It doesn't have to make sense, dammit! It's cool!" This style of Bethesda bull**** was something I thought was far, far beneath Bioware.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:28
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This is my take on Orsino.
He knows how to use blood magic but has never actually practiced it (he IS the first enchanter after all). So now that he's most likely about to watch the last of his mages die he gives in and tries to use blood magic to survive/ save the remaining mages etc. The only problem is he's a tad bit overconfident (he is the first enchanter/ a pretty capable mage) and he's never practiced blood magic before. So he tries to cast an advance blood magic spell and it backfires.
He knows how to use blood magic but has never actually practiced it (he IS the first enchanter after all). So now that he's most likely about to watch the last of his mages die he gives in and tries to use blood magic to survive/ save the remaining mages etc. The only problem is he's a tad bit overconfident (he is the first enchanter/ a pretty capable mage) and he's never practiced blood magic before. So he tries to cast an advance blood magic spell and it backfires.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:43
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There are mages we meet who don't resort to blood magic or become abominations. We have the female mage we meet during Anders' quest who didn't use blood magic. We have the mages who are fighting templars as we head to the Gallows Prison. We have the Orlesian mage who only wants to be with a woman for the first time. I don't think it's cut and dry, because both sides have bad elements to them, but the Chantry is enslaving mages.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:54
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LobselVith8 wrote...
There are mages we meet who don't resort to blood magic or become abominations. We have the female mage we meet during Anders' quest who didn't use blood magic. We have the mages who are fighting templars as we head to the Gallows Prison. We have the Orlesian mage who only wants to be with a woman for the first time. I don't think it's cut and dry, because both sides have bad elements to them, but the Chantry is enslaving mages.
Maybe but if the templars rape or kill a mage... its certainly alot better then a bunch of mages filling the streets with abominations shades and demons... I mean whats worse? Forcing some people to be tranquil or a few bad cops or letting mages tear rifts in the veil to summon pride demons for the lols in the street. The templars I encountered never did anything as evil save for Alric and Meredith and Meredeth was possed by a cursed lyrium sword...
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:55
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Sonris89 wrote...
Maybe but if the templars rape or kill a mage... its certainly alot better then a bunch of mages filling the streets with abominations shades and demons... I mean whats worse? Forcing some people to be tranquil or a few bad cops or letting mages tear rifts in the veil to summon pride demons for the lols in the street. The templars I encountered never did anything as evil save for Alric and Meredith and Meredeth was possed by a cursed lyrium sword...
The problem is that the mages were driven to what they did by the templars. If they had been treated like people, that wouldn't have happened.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:57
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Gavinthelocust wrote...
It would make more sense to side with the mages if Orsino didn't use blood magic and didn't conspire to kill your mother.
What?!?!
I don't remember the mother thing, where does that show up in the story?
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:58
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OmegaBlue0231 wrote...
Seems like it, though a blood mage doesn't mean they're evil. The Grey Wardens use blood magic and they're not evil, The Warden used blood magic and he/she wasn't evil, Hawke can use blood magic and he/she isn't evil (unless you make them evil).
You can't use your character as back up that something isn't evil or good; you are the one controlling it so you could pick every evil power in the book and still be a good guy.
But the fact is character not under your control have all showed ((EVEN WARDENS go play soldiers peek)) blood mage is corruption pure and simple even the nicest of blood mages is still insane and driven by there own desire ((Merrill )). Putting everyone else at risk to get what they want, Blood magic is not a magic to help people it a selfish magic which can only benefit it user. I've only seen one time blood magic was used to help and that only case it took blood mage to case the problem to start with.
Don't get me wrong I'm normally pro mage but I agree 100% with templar blood magic is the door to corruption that can only lead to possession and death.
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Posté 13 mars 2011 - 03:59
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Everwarden wrote...
Sonris89 wrote...
Maybe but if the templars rape or kill a mage... its certainly alot better then a bunch of mages filling the streets with abominations shades and demons... I mean whats worse? Forcing some people to be tranquil or a few bad cops or letting mages tear rifts in the veil to summon pride demons for the lols in the street. The templars I encountered never did anything as evil save for Alric and Meredith and Meredeth was possed by a cursed lyrium sword...
The problem is that the mages were driven to what they did by the templars. If they had been treated like people, that wouldn't have happened.
Wrong, Look at Teventer. If they are on the bottem or on the top they will justify it some way.....
