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[We'll bang okay]

 we seen fe/male quarians.[/b]  A dead female krogan. Heard of female  [/b]Turian. what about male asari so im asking how do they become [/b] purebloods with out male`s 

[Ozzyfan223]

erm, asari an all female race....

[We'll bang okay]

okay i know that but hoe do they become purebloods

[jdg90]

asari + asari = pureblood asari

[Kandid001]

When two "female" Asari mate a pureblood is born.

[Manic Sheep]

Asari do not reproduce via sexual intercourse. No sperm involved. They reproduce with “melding”. Attune their nervous system to another’s and use their DNA as a map to randomise their own without actually taking any DNA from the other partner...or somthing like that. That why they can mate with any gender or race and don’t need a "male" gender.

[AdmiralCheez]

DID SOMEBODY SAY MALE ASARI?

[Inquisitor Recon]

MY EYES! Kill it with FIRE!

[AquamanOS]

Yeah you won't see a male Asari outside of some kind of random one of a kind genetic mutation. And it wouldn't be a "male" Asari, just a deformed one without breasts and with a deeper voice.

[Tarek]

LOL ^

yah asari are male/female combo in the same body but not as we explain genders as humans, in reality they are all females (they can all give birth) when asari mate with each other one will be the "father" and allow the mate "mother" to scramble the genetic material and thus create a new asari. the process is not physical its neurological, its about energy and mind, so its VERY different from the other races mating rituals, that's why "purebloods" are hated because the asari believe that the children that are born that way will be "limited" and will add nothing "new" to the asari race, so asari can mate with a human female and have a child, and thus the human female is the father and the child will have the human female's knowledge and character (some of it), in other words the new asari will have a human flare sort of...

[Olwydd]

They procreate via the magic* of parthenogenesis. The species is entirely female and reproduces asexually. Several known species are known to do this; e.g. the whip-tail lizard species C. neomexicanus. Additionally, I'm personally of the mind that the whole pureblood thing is a bunch of bollocks, and is purely a social construction rather than anything based on biological fact. This is even referenced throughout the game; there is no transfer of genetic material from the 'father' species, and I wonder if they are even actually needed at all.

* Not magic at all. Look it up.

[Tarek]

Olwydd wrote...

They procreate via the magic* of parthenogenesis. The species is entirely female and reproduces asexually. Several known species are known to do this; e.g. the whip-tail lizard species C. neomexicanus. Additionally, I'm personally of the mind that the whole pureblood thing is a bunch of bollocks, and is purely a social construction rather than anything based on biological fact. This is even referenced throughout the game; there is no transfer of genetic material from the 'father' species, and I wonder if they are even actually needed at all.

* Not magic at all. Look it up.

indeed but the "father" will still transfer some of his "mind" to the child, no genetics but some "energy" and "thoughts/knowlege" must get transfered becuase asari that had lets say a krogan father will act a little more agressively that the ones that had a Salarian father.

[Olwydd]

^
I think that has more to do with upbringing than with mystical energy flows that probably don't exist and were likely fabricated purely to promote certain social norms.

[88mphSlayer]

they're unisex

which isn't far fetched, there are species in the oceans that are unisex

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 13 mars 2011 - 07:45 .

[AquamanOS]

Although the "they gain nothing new" thing is kind of silly there's a reason for the pureblood stigma, which is revealed in ME2.

[Phategod1]

Douglas n7 wrote...

 we seen fe/male quarians.[/b]  A dead female krogan. Heard of female  [/b]Turian. what about male asari so im asking how do they become [/b] purebloods with out male`s 

Really I hate to sound like elitest ****** but read the darn codex or talk to liara. I know theres an old saying "theres no such thing as a stupid question but this comes pretty close." 

[The Inception]

Phategod1 wrote...

Douglas n7 wrote...

 we seen fe/male quarians.[/b]  A dead female krogan. Heard of female  [/b]Turian. what about male asari so im asking how do they become [/b] purebloods with out male`s 

Really I hate to sound like elitest ****** but read the darn codex or talk to liara. I know theres an old saying "theres no such thing as a stupid question but this comes pretty close." 

Really guy you coulda just googled it.

Modifié par The Inception, 14 mars 2011 - 03:07 .

[Overlander]

Due to the fact I work a no-brain-required job at a time of day where people are either zombified or incoherently drunk, I've had some time to think this topic over. Here's what I've got.

Asari reproduce, as we all know, by parthenogenesis, and the conception of a new asari requires no genetic material from a donor (i.e. no "father"). However, if the asari are truly only one sex, then why would their mating rituals mirror that of other races? Just the presence of sex organs in the asari make me question this.

Then there's also elementary biology at work; nature, when given options, usually strays toward the simplest means of working. Complex means and methods evolve from simple ones, which doesn't lend credence to the notion that we're given. At the very least, the one given isn't likely the way it's ALWAYS been.

Here's my notion: at some point in asari history, well before their culture achieved civilization enough to travel in space, there were two sexes. Males were exceedingly rare births (maybe 1 in every 500,000 or so), and in primitive civilizations, could have even been considered good omens for a time, and as such, given reverence due to their rarity. In this speculative history, there could have been a period where more than one such birth occurred, possibly even numerous births, and the two or more males fought for dominance, dragging female asari loyal to each of them into the fight and dragging their race into an equivalent of Europe's dark ages. After the resulting war (and a catastrophic number of casualties), the remainder of the civilization could have dreaded more male births from this, believing that what was once a good omen was now a blight upon their societies, and quite possibly a threat to their very existence.

I like this explanation, due to the fact that it also allows us to explain the existences of other aspects that have developed in asari society. First, this speculative history gives a possible explanation for the formation of the justicars, where in this instance, could have formed from a number of asari females able to resist a male asari's thrall, and after noting how badly their people suffered, decided to wage a war of attrition against them in order to save their race from extinction. That would certainly explain the military focus in their order, as well as the reverence other asari give them.

It also explains the fear and hatred of ardat-yakshi as it pertains to modern day; with none of the male asari existant any longer, I see them quite easily going after the next closest thing, a threat of similar significance: female asari exhibiting traits seen in the males. Matter of fact, it wouldn't strike me at all odd if the term first applied to male asari. As the modern day ardat-yakshi are oftentimes considered the product of a "pureblood" birth, it also explains the presence of that societal stigma in greater depth.

Anyway, that's what I've got. Feel free to argue any point, but just like in school, be prepared to show your work.

[Zaxares]

Overlander wrote...
However, if the asari are truly only one sex, then why would their mating rituals mirror that of other races? Just the presence of sex organs in the asari make me question this.

Actually, we don't know for certain that asari DO have sex organs. We know that they have breasts, and that they suckle their young, but breasts aren't STRICTLY a sex organ. In fact, I'm inclined to believe that if the asari are a mono-gendered race, any kind of sexual penetration would be extremely painful for them because their bodies did not evolve a vaginal canal for a male to insert a penis into. (And for all we know, asari "births" take place via budding or some other unusual process, so they may not even have a vaginal canal or even a cloaca. We know that salarians have cloacas, due to Mordin mentioning them once or twice, but nothing for asari.)

It's an interesting theory you came up with though.

[Overlander]

True, but the idea that they do IS heavily implied; they do bond and mate with species that reproduce via sex, and as such have to accomodate their part of the bond as well. Once again, elementary biology leans heavily toward simpler means of reproduction as opposed to complex, and a form of parthenogenesis based off a mental/psychological/biotic? link seems a bit too complex to have formed without some more primitive means, even if said means are all but vestigial.

Also, if the consort's and Liara's scenes are any indication, even if the physical and biochemical aspects of sex are unnecessary, they don't seem too terribly uncomfortable, let alone painful.

[The Grey Ranger]

wrong thread.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 23 octobre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Overlander]

Another thought has occurred to me as I've continued contemplating my previous notions, and it is this:

Even if there was no such thing as a male asari occurring naturally, and there was no possible means of creating one, what's stopping someone inside the Mass Effect universe from creating one artificially?

I mean, if you read the codex parts regarding genetic modification, you'd find that there are almost unlimited possibilities along that line. In canon, we've witnessed, through genetic modification and therapy, the genophage, Miranda Lawson's alleged "genetic perfection", even the revival of Commander Shepard. Can someone truly believe that geneticists could do all of that, and yet still believe that a construct of a male proxy to an asari could not be achieved?

I'm not saying that such research and attempts would be perfectly legal, but as is evidenced, there are plenty of less-than-scrupulous scientific minds that wouldn't have much trouble with such a concept, nor in its execution. Anyway, just a bit of food for thought for those who found issue with my previous notion.

[CARL_DF90]

@ Overlander

Great minds think alike because I was thinking the same thing. Oh, or here's another interesting thought to make people's heads spin: what if a "male" Asari is what you get when an Ardat'yakshi somehow conceives a child?

[Daveros]

Olwydd wrote...

Additionally, I'm personally of the mind that the whole pureblood thing is a bunch of bollocks, and is purely a social construction rather than anything based on biological fact.

Eyebrows. Purebloods* have eyebrows.


*Liara

Modifié par Daveros, 10 novembre 2011 - 05:19 .

[Overlander]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

@ Overlander

Great minds think alike because I was thinking the same thing. Oh, or here's another interesting thought to make people's heads spin: what if a "male" Asari is what you get when an Ardat'yakshi somehow conceives a child?

Glad you like it, and interesting premise, one that I've considered as well. It actually ties into my first notion, regarding the males as an ancient omen/rare birth.

You see, I'm of the opinion that an Ardat-yakshi isn't a genetic defect, but something akin to a truer version of asari. The idea of possibly killing your potential mate would be quite an effective population control, seeing as how they live for a millenium. If there was no risk in breeding, they could have easily bred themselves into extinction through lack of resources. It's a matter of control; the modern-day, average asari isn't nearly as powerful as an ardat-yakshi, but has an ease with control to the point that they can breed with other species without issue.

I think that breeding two ardat-yakshi MIGHT be possible, just really hard to do, and if so, it would only work with that kind of pairing. For a non-AY, it's suicide, because the ardat-yakshi overwhelm them in the mind-meld; it's like trying to naturally conceive a child with Superman. Potentially enjoyable, but you're probably not surviving the attempt to completion.