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[CARL_DF90]

Obviously. This is a "what if" thread in regards to what a genetic freak of nature male Asari would be like.

[CARL_DF90]

Hmm... I wonder if anyone with some artistic talent would want to try their hand at drawing a male Asari concept. That would be cool!

[AdmiralCheez]

This is overdue, but...



I regret nothing!

[CARL_DF90]

LOL! Wow Admiral! Still lovin' your sense of humor!

[Overlander]

Found this pic off a deviantart site. Will pull it down if requested, but I thought it seemed fitting.

[CARL_DF90]

Actually, it's quite good, and it is fitting. I really wish I could draw.

[Veturia]

That looks truly bizarre.

Modifié par Veturia, 09 décembre 2011 - 09:55 .

[Wellington007]

Love it

Modifié par Wellington007, 09 décembre 2011 - 11:45 .

[CARL_DF90]

Yeah, me too. Dang it, I wish I could draw.

[Ice Cold J]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

This is overdue, but...



I regret nothing!

You realize that's on the first page of the thread, RIGHT, Cheez?

[CARL_DF90]

lol I'm sure she did. She's just funny that way.

[Paragon Soldier]

If male and female have no real meaning to Asari's then why the hell do they still refer to each other as Mothers and Daughters?

[Reorte]

Chris Redfield Shepard wrote...

If male and female have no real meaning to Asari's then why the hell do they still refer to each other as Mothers and Daughters?

As opposed to what? It's the most logical way of translating into English.

FWIW the Asari have also been in contact with other species long enough to be used to the idea, and for all I know there are plenty of animals on Thessia that are male and female.

[CARL_DF90]

Exactly. We still know next to nothing about their homeworld and history.

[Overlander]

@ Chris Redfield Shepard: That's one of the things that bothers me; how quickly the asari attached themselves to the female terms, when the indefinite "child" and "parent" work just as easily. At the risk of sounding stuffy and boring, linguistically speaking, there does seem to be a bit of interest there.

I guess one of the reasons this topic sticks with me is just a matter of chronological order. If we're to believe that the asari and salarians formed the Council just 5,000 years ago and up until then, the asari hadn't encountered an alien race, how is it that they learned to accomodate the idea of breeding with a male (as to race, take your pick) so easily and quickly? While not drastic, science backs up the notion that there are measureable mental differences between males and females, from neurochemistry to psychology. It'd be akin to humans learning that they could breathe through their ears and adopting the practice as the standard method back during the Victorian era. Until someone can answer that point to satisfaction, I don't think I'll be able to leave this topic alone.

[Wulfram]

You could theorise that the Asari chose feminine pronouns because the first alien society they encountered was Matriarchal

[didymos1120]

Or you could just realize that we're hearing what Shep's translator software outputs.

[Elasthor]

grimkillah wrote...

it begun to create male as a filter for genetic mistake during reproduction, most likely due to increase in genetic complexity.

Could you explain that to me? How does males existing filters genetic mistakes? (This is a genuine question, not sarcasm nor mockery)

[Reorte]

@Overlander: "Child" works well enough, "parent" is a bit ambiguous because two people are needed in different roles, so it makes sense to distinguish them somehow. Whatever words the asari might use in their own languages "mother" and "daughter" are completely accurate English translations for them. Also, as I mentioned above, there's no reason to assume that all life on their homeworld is monogendered. The asari may well have been completely familiar with male and female, and realised that they all fit into the female side, long before they met other sentient species. That's pure speculation of course, but not, I think, unreasonable.

[Overlander]

@Reorte: I get the point that not all life on Thessia was monogendered. I'm not arguing that the asari were completely unfamiliar with the concept of another gender. However, it isn't stated whether there was any other sentient species on that planet. It is stated in the codex that for the asari, first contact happened when they discovered the Citadel 5000 years prior to in-game present day, so from that implication, one can infer that until that point, their only point of reference to males was in context of animals. For me, therein lies the problem.

My question pertains to the idea that, in a comparatively short span of time, the asari discovered the following:
1. Other sentient species exist.
2. A gross majority of said species have more than one gender, making the asari a minority among sapients in that regard.
3. That it was possible to reproduce using males of those races in much the same fashion as they can their own.

5000 years sounds like a long time, but for the asari, that's a handful of generations. I just think that it's too brief an amount of time to adjust and accomodate to that drastic a change.

[Reorte]

I don't see the only knowledge of males in terms of animals as being a problem. Female animals they would desribe in the same way as themselves, being intelligent and seeing the link. Male animals would be described in terms that were possibly only commonly used by farmers and biologists, but would become more normal after contact with other sentient species.

[Overlander]

Neither do I. It's not the relative unfamiliarity with males that's the problem to me, but rather the time span that such a cultural shift in the asari took place.

How long do you think it would take for them to figure out that they could breed with other races, male or female, let alone try?

How long do you think it would take for them to, as a society, adopt the practice of mating with other races in enough numbers to make the practice standard?

Finally, how long after said mating practice is adopted, do you think that it would take for them to decry "pureblood" mating?

Add this up, and to me, it seems like it would take a hell of a lot longer than five lifetimes. THAT'S my problem, to me.

[CARL_DF90]

Overlander wrote...

Neither do I. It's not the relative unfamiliarity with males that's the problem to me, but rather the time span that such a cultural shift in the asari took place.

How long do you think it would take for them to figure out that they could breed with other races, male or female, let alone try?

How long do you think it would take for them to, as a society, adopt the practice of mating with other races in enough numbers to make the practice standard?

Finally, how long after said mating practice is adopted, do you think that it would take for them to decry "pureblood" mating?

Add this up, and to me, it seems like it would take a hell of a lot longer than five lifetimes. THAT'S my problem, to me.

All interesting questions to be sure. As for how long it would take for them to figure out that they could meld and reproduce with other species I'd wager not long at all considering the nature of the act for Asari. And I am sure that their curiousity would be enough to compel them to try.

I would hazard a guess that when Ardat-Yakshi became a real problem that they would be put down, and as time pasted, and knowledge and technology advanced they figured out how they are born and took steps to decry its cause.

I'd also wager that in their beginning on the galactic stage, when Ardat-Yashi were still very much real and around in more numbers than were hinted at in ME2, they would figure out that reproducing with other races would reduce the chance of the defect from surfacing. Through various types of social engineering they would in all probability achieve this in at least one Asari lifetime. Samara said it herself that the Asari DON'T want that defect to be widely known. It would seriously damage their image. I am almost positive that the early Matriarchs and elitists in their society recognized this and took steps needed to counter this threat. Wouldn't be surprised if mass executions of Ardat-Yakshi happened.

Add all this up and I'd say one, maybe two lifetimes for the Asari to work these things out and to secure their place as a dominant species on the galactic stage.

[Overlander]

@CARL_DF90: I'll give you that your answers for questions 1 and 3 are valid; at the very least, I don't have anything to argue against them. However, I noticed that my second question, pertaining to how long it would take for the practice of outside-species mating to become standard practice, went largely unanswered. I think that's where the majority of time would be spent, and I think that it would take more than your estimated 1-2 asari lifetimes to accomplish, in part due to the other races' reactions to that request.

Salarians wouldn't care much for it; overall, their mating practices seem geared toward breeding and little else. No long-term attachments, no emotional investment; it seems more like a business deal than anything else. Not to mention that a salarian family's hereditary record would probably come into play, as well as the possibility for illegitimacy to cause problems.

Same story, different reasons for the krogan; all children born to an asari are other asari, severely limiting krogan interest, as asari don't seem to be terribly respected in regards to krogan value systems.

Turians and humans both don't tend to trust biotics, and while not all asari are biotic adepts, it seems more due to choice than opportunity. Not to mention that humans have been a Council race for only 47 years.

I know I'm bringing up generalizations, and that these aren't universally true, but remember that with that second question I brought up in the previous post, the operative words were "standard practice", as in more common than mating amongst other asari by a healthy margin. Who are they breeding with, to make this so common? Especially since all the aforementioned generalizations are MODERN; back up a couple millenia, and those biases would only be amplified, and interests diminished, if only due to the lack of familiarization.

At least, that's how it looks to me.

Modifié par Overlander, 23 décembre 2011 - 05:04 .