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[Eclipse_9990]

xbeton0L wrote...

@Reorte
And at times we tend to overthink it. As if there were another way to explain it in a non-human language, you know?

@Eclipse_9990
That isn't the purpose of this thread. And just like Reorte said, by definition in reference to their current biological makeup, they are considered female. Particularly because they are capable of carrying child. If you care to read the thread now, you may learn we are addressing something different. Just a thought.

Reorte wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

There are no male Asari, there are no female Asari either. There are just.. Asari.

So is it best to say "he" , "she", or "it"? As mentioned upthread they fulfill most of the criteria for being female as opposed to asexual. Even if the term isn't 100% accurate (and I'd disagree with that) it's still the most appropriate description available in English.

Ah OK. I admit I didn't care to read through the thread, I just felt like posting I guess. 

[xbeton0L]

Always welcome to new readers.

Though I don't believe many people are into open speculation, such as this. If anything, it becomes dejected from the more forward belief, like asari being mono-gendered.

I know we all have some degree of favor towards sciFi, that shouldn't limit us to accepting what most people believe. If anything it should be a template for contemplation, incessantly gauging the "what if" spectrum. If no one believed aliens existed, you would think its completely illogical to make a series based upon various alien races. It's just one common denominator stacked with a new idea, and mass effect is a plethora of such examples.

I think of it like a sport, but you play it inside your head with known facts and a good bit of your own creativity. Mind sprints for the intellectually adept. Lol

[CARL_DF90]

Not to mention having scientific fact add to the mix to make it even more intriguing. And you xbeton0L have done that quite well so far. *claps*

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 06 janvier 2012 - 12:34 .

[Sturmwulfe]

I've been enjoying reading the topic, I just haven't had much chance to reply to it! But I'm still following. I think we covered most of the bases anyways.

[Turian_punk_75]

If in Mass Effect 3 your sent to an unknown planet and it's populated with Masculine Asari who can mate with any other species (Male or Female) and (somehow, I'd hate to think) give birth I shall be offering out the biggest, mother of all Facepalms ever..

Modifié par Turian_punk_75, 06 janvier 2012 - 11:15 .

[Sturmwulfe]

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

If in Mass Effect 3 your sent to an unknown planet and it's populated with Masculine Asari who can mate with any other species (Male or Female) and (somehow, I'd hate to think) give birth I shall be offering out the biggest, mother of all Facepalms ever..

Imagine trying to deliver a baby being a dude? I think I'd be cringing more than facepalming, but for sure a healthy mixture of both.

[CARL_DF90]

Bleh. I don't EVEN want to think about it.

[Turian_punk_75]

Sturmwulfe wrote...

Turian_punk_75 wrote...

If in Mass Effect 3 your sent to an unknown planet and it's populated with Masculine Asari who can mate with any other species (Male or Female) and (somehow, I'd hate to think) give birth I shall be offering out the biggest, mother of all Facepalms ever..

Imagine trying to deliver a baby being a dude? I think I'd be cringing more than facepalming, but for sure a healthy mixture of both.

Ever watch the Alien Nation TV show? In that the Aliens living on Earth, the men give birth to the babies. They tried to make it as tasteful as possible by having a pouch develop on the stomach then the baby coming out of it. Even with that... DAYAM!!!

[xbeton0L]

Lol, that would be the biggest of my concerns. At first I thought you were talking about them going out and impregnating everything including men and women alike. Ha! Funny guy man, I'll tell ya...

Though that seems to defy the actual principle of being male, I'm sure it satisfies someone's fraternal fantasy of male childbirth. Heh, why not even give them both sex organs and nutrient ducts to feed their babies, along with strong masculine jawlines and biotic powers to compensate for their lack of physical strength, because you know in a polyamorous relationship one of the two has to defend the one who is fertile with child, strongly suggesting the male and female roles here, however in being such that an actual male (of which I would imagine being super-masculine, since female asari are already semi-masculine) would not actually birth the child noting the biological necessity for protection of fertile females.

I mean, {whatever you call linear psychological progression} it even makes sense to have males, although I must applaud Bioware for their thoughtful detail in fulfilling both masculine and feminine roles in an all-female species.

Have you all ever seen the woman, that became a guy by taking male hormones and grew a full beard, then later got pregnant, then took all kinds of pictures when ** was 9 months? I swear it was all over the news!

Modifié par xbeton0L, 07 janvier 2012 - 10:46 .

[CARL_DF90]

I'll say it again, but with more feeling this time. BLEH!

[Overlander]

There is another possibility. When the thought of male asari occurred to me, I thought that the ramifications of their breeding would be a bit different than their female counterparts.

It stems from my thoughts regarding why a child from an asari (as we know them) is universally another asari. I figured that when an asari conceived a child, the mother took an active hand in the child's gestation, considering the manner in which they are conceived. It makes sense that the asari would guide the fetus' development, ensuring that the asari-to-be would develop properly, especially when one considers the intimate nature of the link between mother and child that develops during pregnancy, regardless of species.

In the case of male asari, however, their part is played out during the act of conception, with little, if any connection to the child-to-be. I don't think they'd be capable of giving birth, nor would they be capable of impregnating other males (for obvious reasons). Because of the combination of those two reasons, in the case of an interspecies meld, the race of the child would be dependant on the mother.

[CARL_DF90]

That would make some sense because Liara said something that alluded to something similar. That the mother shapes and forms the DNA of the child. Hmm....you just gave me an idea Overlander for a hypothetical male Asari origin. Keep an eye out on this thread in the next couple of days and I might have something to post. 

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 08 janvier 2012 - 01:00 .

[xbeton0L]

I apologize beforehand, as I had quite a lengthy comment lost at the hands of a moody coworker... mAjor facepalm.... but what can I say? Women.

On another note, and after a few hours to recollect my thoughts, it stands as a possible truth to involve both hypothesis.

On the one, you have males which contribute no actual reproductive qualities as all reproductive functions would be facilitated by the female (closer to as-is standards of asari) and fertilization would happen as a result of direct stimulation. On the other, males do more than simply stimulate the female and actually contribute their own reproductive matter which would fuse their DNA directly and/or ruling the possibility that a second egg cell from the female (presumably the one which has 'scrambled' DNA) wouldn't be needed, as say direct male stimulation creates a reaction in the female that constricts the release of a second fertilizer cell. *Happens in reptiles!

I'd also want to point out that the first proposal cradles the official concept quite closely, as naturally asari who become mothers give birth to children that bear little connection to the 'father'.

Also, what would be an interesting concept for males is that they possess a similar trait whereas they too can meld with their partner, however it affects their reproductive matter allowing <either modification of his own gametes, or modification of the egg cell itself; leaning towards the first now> and thus through [modification of his own cells] his chromosomes rebuild to match the DNA of the species in which he is copulating with, namely females since reception of this matter will have NO effect in any non-female gender.

Stuff to think about. I'll be here all night! Lol

Modifié par xbeton0L, 08 janvier 2012 - 03:35 .

[masseffectexpert94]

asari are monogendered, they can mate with any race and gender

[Turian_punk_75]

It must be hard for non-asari, sexually liberated females if one day you're minding you're own business when a young Asari walks up to you and says 'Dad!!'. If I were a woman, I'd be like '.... What the F#*k'?? LOL!

Must be hard being a woman, glad I'm not one...

[CARL_DF90]

Work getting in the way of writing something good. I have a 4-day weekend coming up though I will have something.

[9dragonking]

Gender is what you feel.
Sex is what your categorized as biologically.
"Asari do not have a concept of gender, as there is no such thing as masculine or feminine for them"
"They do however have a sex, they are all female. They are all capable of giving birth to offspring.
That, combined with the answers of parthenogenesis above should answer your question. "

Lol sometimes I don't understand why people don't read the codex or play attention to the story.

[Overlander]

And I NEVER understand why people new to the topic write the same brand of pablum after not bothering to read the prior posts. If not for the lack of effort necessary, I'd almost swear it was intentional trolling.

[CARL_DF90]

It probably is, otherwise the alternative is that they are total lazy, morons.

[CARL_DF90]

Oy. Sorry for not keeping up to my promise to put up a new idea on here. Been busy with work and whatnot.

[xbeton0L]

Same here. I just got moved to a new mission out where I am. But hey, I can't complain. With what little time I don't have working, I'll just waste the majority of it geeking out here! Lol.

Outside the box again, I must commend the efforts fans have made to rationalize the ME universe in such explicit detail. To note, even a possible bisexuality in past asari genetics and evolution. Just like the little-known fact of the phenomenon, contrary to public belief, that dextro-based life forms when romanced will have sweet tasting saliva. Fun fact I rarely am able to mention.

Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think that's graduated to an actual discussion yet.

[CARL_DF90]

Not yet mind you, but THAT is very interesting.

[Overlander]

My, my, where does the time fly?

Been a while since I've visited here, but my prior post regarding the possible reproductive process in females has led me to another potential source of a male asari, that of a true birth defect.

Basic premise is this: if we posit that an asari with child either passively or actively guides the development of the gestating asari-to-be, then it stands to reason that any interference with that process that would render the asari mother unable to perform that task at a certain period of pregnancy (e.g., long-term coma, injury or illness resulting in brain death), the child could and possibly would develop with only its genetic mapping as its guide, and seeing as how a "paternal" genetic mapping would be available to it, could conceivably result in an asari developing male characteristics, and in the right measure, could create an asari that would be, for all intents and purposes, male.

It's a long shot, I understand, but not entirely outside the realm of possibility.

[Anonymis]

There are no female or male asari?? That is incorrect. The Asari are a race of asexual females that can fertilize their own eggs. If they were neither then Shepard would have had some trouble when he sexed Liara. An amoeba is neither male nor female. Totally different.

[Anonymis]

Overlander wrote...

And I NEVER understand why people new to the topic write the same brand of pablum after not bothering to read the prior posts. If not for the lack of effort necessary, I'd almost swear it was intentional trolling.

FYI...that comment is intentional trolling.