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[MDarwin]

Shadow Wing wrote...

johannes1212 wrote...

Actually, after hours of self employed time spent lurking in this forum, I've found that there have been tons upon tons of constructive criticism threads that validly point out the many. many flaws of DA2, however such threads quickly (after 5-6 well contructive replies) boil down to "cool story brah" segments by the "a lot of fans also love the game" crowd of whom you mentioned, which eventually lead to those threads becoming locked and left to dry out before the devs truly take note and reply with their justifications.

The problem with a lot of the "constructive criticism" is that essentially they are saying listen to us this is what we want and they forget that there are also other people who thinks differently and who actually likes this new game. You tend to forget that there is also as much people who likes the new one as people who dislike it it. So the "constructive criticism" you were talking about is "listen to me, those other people who like this game don't know what they're talking about."

This is true for both sides. It's a pitty, really.

[Goldrock]

just wish people shut up already i mean of COURSE some people are not gonna not like the game while a ton more are gonna love it doesnt make a game bad.just simple fact there are argument and debates on how bad or how good a game is just proves how great it actually is.When a forum is dead and nobody posts about a game proves how bad one is.

[Shadow Wing]

MDarwin wrote...

Shadow Wing wrote...

johannes1212 wrote...

Actually, after hours of self employed time spent lurking in this forum, I've found that there have been tons upon tons of constructive criticism threads that validly point out the many. many flaws of DA2, however such threads quickly (after 5-6 well contructive replies) boil down to "cool story brah" segments by the "a lot of fans also love the game" crowd of whom you mentioned, which eventually lead to those threads becoming locked and left to dry out before the devs truly take note and reply with their justifications.

The problem with a lot of the "constructive criticism" is that essentially they are saying listen to us this is what we want and they forget that there are also other people who thinks differently and who actually likes this new game. You tend to forget that there is also as much people who likes the new one as people who dislike it it. So the "constructive criticism" you were talking about is "listen to me, those other people who like this game don't know what they're talking about."

This is true for both sides. It's a pitty, really.

Sad but true.

[Aesieru]

Point is does EA think it will make enough money to justify doing it again?

[TheLastAwakening]

blah blah blah do you have the sales figures? no. blah blah blah. The only thing true about the topic is the "we whiners" part. I'm not saying the whiners are going to be wrong but can't we at least wait a week then blah blah blah?

Modifié par TheLastAwakening, 15 mars 2011 - 12:05 .

[JustS]

Doesnt matter.. If the sales figures are low.. then what? More excuses about how sale figures mean nothing right now.. then a month down the line the new excuse will be.. just wait for the new DLC... etc.

You do not have to stand up and defend them at every turn. Mistakes have been made.. Bioware should account for them. Then we can look forward to DA3 without being at each other's throats.

[moilami]

LumpOfCole wrote...

DA2 has flaws (and terrible bugs) but it's a great experience, especially if you're a fan of character driven side quests.

In my book a game with terrible bugs is not a great experience.

[Goldrock]

crazy bug too bad i havnt really ran into one yet and ive already played through the game once.

[AFCommando]

i just have to ask how the hell did this game get 8s and 4/5s from game reviewers and when fans actually get there hands on it its a ****storm.

\\not to mention alot of the review sites did not even mention alot of flaws.

[Nonoru]

Duncan Anderson wrote...

We "whiners" were right at last.

No, in fact you were wrong about pretty much everything.

+1.

[JrayM16]

Shadow Wing wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

Shadow Wing wrote...

johannes1212 wrote...

Actually, after hours of self employed time spent lurking in this forum, I've found that there have been tons upon tons of constructive criticism threads that validly point out the many. many flaws of DA2, however such threads quickly (after 5-6 well contructive replies) boil down to "cool story brah" segments by the "a lot of fans also love the game" crowd of whom you mentioned, which eventually lead to those threads becoming locked and left to dry out before the devs truly take note and reply with their justifications.

The problem with a lot of the "constructive criticism" is that essentially they are saying listen to us this is what we want and they forget that there are also other people who thinks differently and who actually likes this new game. You tend to forget that there is also as much people who likes the new one as people who dislike it it. So the "constructive criticism" you were talking about is "listen to me, those other people who like this game don't know what they're talking about."

This is true for both sides. It's a pitty, really.

Sad but true.

Indeed, I think a big problem is people thinking that constructive criticism just means criticizing without getting overly angry.  In fact, constructive criticism would be more accurately defined as explainining what is bad about something in detail and offering comprehensive suggestions.

For example, one thread labelled constructive criticism said something to the effect of "the voice acting is just plain terrible" and did not further explain why nor how it could be remedied.  That is not constructive criticism.

I've seen a bit of constructive criticism around but it's a rarity, on both sides.

[Deified Data]

Mirage III wrote...

But I'm not happy at all with this. Do I have to say that many people warned developers since the first announcement of short development time, dialogue wheel, overall simplyfying looking like Mass Effect, horrible graphics and so on? We don't know any sales figures yet, but I think this game won't enjoy the same success like Mass Effect 2 or DA:O. Metacritic's and Gamerankings' scores of reviewers and gamers say for itself.

I don't know, you seem pretty pleased with yourself if the thread title is any indicator.

You'd be surprised by how many people think this game is great. The only reason they haven't been as vocal is because they've been too busy enjoying the game, as opposed to complaining about it on the forums. Congratulations, if you consider this a victory, somehow. I'm glad you dislike the game as much as you do, if that was your intent from the beginning.

[maladosteo]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

I dunno; they've done a bang up marketing job, it'll probably sell well. What'll be really interesting is how many people buy a potential expansion/DLC or buy DA3 after this fiasco.

The "rush to market a game which clearly does not follow with the mechanics of the previous game" approach? Yes, they failed MAJORLY.


Bioware should be ashamed for putting out such crappy work. They can do SOOOO much better.

[Eurhetemec]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

I dunno; they've done a bang up marketing job, it'll probably sell well. What'll be really interesting is how many people buy a potential expansion/DLC or buy DA3 after this fiasco.

What fiasco? The fiasco where I paid money for a fun game and got it? Goddamn, I'd better start suing Blizzard for all their screw-ups in continuously making excellent games, and then I'll move on to Nintendo and that whole "Super Mario" fiasco!

[Kane-Corr]

Honestly...DA2 will sell better and the DLC will as well. It's just better in the whole, experience. A Story is about the characters and a great conflict. DA2 has excellent characters and great conflicts throughout. You really can't deny THAT. Now, I'm aware of all the problems that everyone has pointed out, etc. BUT....and it;s a big BUT....there are positives that FAR outweigh the negatives.

My opinion...DA:O was hyped a little tooo much. Now, I love Bioware, and DA:O...but I think people built it up to be a LOT better than it actually was. DA2 definately improved on things, but did it in a different way. I know ALOT of RPG players who didn't like DA:O because it was slow, clunky, boring, the story didn't take off at first, etc.
I think people need to just accept DA2 for what it is...and not try to compare it to their own majestic image built up before its release.

[Deified Data]

maladosteo wrote...

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

I dunno; they've done a bang up marketing job, it'll probably sell well. What'll be really interesting is how many people buy a potential expansion/DLC or buy DA3 after this fiasco.

The "rush to market a game which clearly does not follow with the mechanics of the previous game" approach? Yes, they failed MAJORLY.


Bioware should be ashamed for putting out such crappy work. They can do SOOOO much better.

You know they changed the mechanics on purpose, right?

[bill4747bill]

Who exactly failed at what?

I bought a computer game and it is great fun....seems all success to me.

[Arppis]

Alex109222 wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

DA 2 will outsell DA 1 because it is the better of the two games.

your opinion is not fact. 

But mine is! Hohohooo! 

And I'll say it was a great game. Bit different, but still great.

[Azzlee]

JrayM16 wrote...
For example, one thread labelled constructive criticism said something to the effect of "the voice acting is just plain terrible" and did not further explain why nor how it could be remedied.  That is not constructive criticism.

I've seen a bit of constructive criticism around but it's a rarity, on both sides.

Sorry mate, but there is a rather simple answer to that bit of constructive criticism. That doesn't need to be spelled out.

Remedy? Voice actors were bad = get better voice actors

Why? They were bad becuase a vast majority of the characters had a single tone of voice and were not comparable in terms of quality to those from Origins. It was almost as if they were bored or couldn't be bothered.

[Gvaz]

I really hope this game fails so EA gets their grubby fingers out of developer's business.

3-4 year dev cycle for games, only, go!

And as for DA2 to DA:O, DA2 will sell better because it's appealing to the LCD, console gamers.

Everything in DA2 is oriented for console play rather than including mechanics PC gamers enjoy. Combat style being more flashy than useful, UI, voiced PC, etc.

Modifié par GvazElite, 15 mars 2011 - 08:59 .

[Aloo Gobi]

Dragon Age II will probably sell better by virtue of being a sequel to a popular game. I still had fun but I was dissapointed. I didn't know what to expect with the first Dragon Age but ultimately I was blown away. So I suppose that I set my hopes too high for the sequel (though Awakening was quite good even with a short development time). However, the demo was quite fun, as was the first third or so of the game. I just hope Bioware gets the time they deserve to work on the sequel. Plenty of developers would have made a totally worthless game in the same development time but I don't want a mediocre game fast, I want a great one to matter how long it takes.

Modifié par Aloo Gobi, 15 mars 2011 - 10:10 .