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[Halo Quea]

general numa19 wrote...

Cullen is the biggest piece of douche on the planet. I was so pissed at the end when I didn't get to kill his whiny ass. If he's in DA3, & I don't get to kill him, I'm snapping the damned disc in half. I can't believe they wouldn't let me kill him for taking Bethany. In real life, that exchange would've gone differently...with that chucklehead Cullen face-down in a pool of his own lyrium-tainted blood. What a tool.

Oh Gawd how I wanted to kill Cullen!!  I mean I really wanted to cleave him with an axe and feed him to Mabari hounds only later to emerge from them as the stinking pile that he always was.

Everytime I see that moron he's either hauling Bethany off to the Gallows or giving me one of his self righteous sermons about the dangers of Mages while the hypocritical Templars are just lyrium addicted sadists. 

Near the end I was practically screaming at the screen when he started approaching Meredith who had jumped off crazy with her lyrium sword.,  "That's it Cullen!  Be just as dumb as I think you are and let the Knight Commander kill you!"           

[The Angry One]

[Halo Quea]

[quote]The Angry One wrote.../quote]

Oh that's just cute 

It's honestly not about hate.........well it is (lol),  but not the bitter envy sort of hate.  But what makes Cullen such a loathsome character is that he seems to be completely unaware of just how much of a fanatical bigot he really is. He practically insists that Mages are not even people.   Those views are twisted and represent just how poisoned his mind really is.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Later games supercede epilogues as far as the canon is concerned, I believe Gaider said something like that quite some months ago.

And I agree with TAO on having Cullen as a future companion.

[Taleroth]

The Angry One wrote...

Cullen is one of the most well rounded characters in DA.
In DA:O he was initially naive and friendly, then Uldred happened and he became paranoid and hateful. Sad for my mage who he had previously shown affection for, now regarded her as yet another monster.
In DA2 he retains much of his paranoia, but always maintains a sense of what at true Templar should be, a protector and guide of mages, not a jailer and abuser. Over the acts he's progressively more mellow and level headed.

I'd gladly have him as a companion in DA3.

I can somewhat agree.  However, I have a hard time reconciling his supposed level headedness with the fact that he is Meredith's second-in-command.  If anyone in the game could have stopped her, it is him.  And he did nothing until the end.

As a character, he is decent.  As an agent capable of initiating change, he is worthless.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 mars 2011 - 02:42 .

[Carmen_Willow]

Taleroth wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Cullen is one of the most well rounded characters in DA.
In DA:O he was initially naive and friendly, then Uldred happened and he became paranoid and hateful. Sad for my mage who he had previously shown affection for, now regarded her as yet another monster.
In DA2 he retains much of his paranoia, but always maintains a sense of what at true Templar should be, a protector and guide of mages, not a jailer and abuser. Over the acts he's progressively more mellow and level headed.

I'd gladly have him as a companion in DA3.

I can somewhat agree.  However, I have a hard time reconciling his supposed level headedness with the fact that he is Meredith's second-in-command.  If anyone in the game could have stopped her, it is him.  And he did nothing until the end.

As a character, he is decent.  As an agent capable of initiating change, he is worthless.

I can explain Cullen's hesitancy to act until things are very dire:  Mutiny.

Mutiny against a superior officer is the most serious crime of all in any military unit.  To override a superior officer's orders and not be hanged for it, you pretty much must be able to prove that your superior is a stark raving lunatic.  Well, Meredith didn't display her "stark raving" side until then end game.

[Lithuasil]

The Angry One wrote...

I was actually about to express my utmost hatred, but for that look, I'm almost willing to pretend his retardation in DA2 didn't happen and he's the same guy again, that embarassed me in front of Wynne and Morrigan 

[CrazyGobstopper]

general numa19 wrote...

[...] I can't believe they wouldn't let me kill him for taking Bethany. In real life, that exchange would've gone differently...with that chucklehead Cullen face-down in a pool of his own lyrium-tainted blood. What a tool.

And then, when Cullen didn't return to the Gallows, Templar Hunters would have tracked you and your family down, and slaughtered all of you.  Great plan!

Taleroth wrote...

[...] I have a hard time reconciling his
supposed level headedness with the fact that he is Meredith's
second-in-command.  If anyone in the game could have stopped her, it is
him.  And he did nothing until the end.

I have a hard time believing even the Templar second-in-command could have overcome Meredith's paranoia driven by lyrium poisoning from the idol.  He would've had to realize the sword was responsible for her increasing insanity and found a way to get it away from her in order to have made an impact.

Modifié par CrazyGobstopper, 23 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

[PirateT138]

general numa19 wrote...

Cullen is the biggest piece of douche on the planet. I was so pissed at the end when I didn't get to kill his whiny ass. If he's in DA3, & I don't get to kill him, I'm snapping the damned disc in half. I can't believe they wouldn't let me kill him for taking Bethany. In real life, that exchange would've gone differently...with that chucklehead Cullen face-down in a pool of his own lyrium-tainted blood. What a tool.

I don't really have the hate you've got for Cullen, but I agree that the scenario would have played out differently for my characters as well.

"We're taking Bethany, kthxbye!"

"Um...no"

[Khayness]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Later games supercede epilogues as far as the canon is concerned, I believe Gaider said something like that quite some months ago.

And I agree with TAO on having Cullen as a future companion.

Yeah, epilogues are concerned as rumors.

And yes, that Bethany snatching was ridiculous in hindsight, you murder every templar onwards, even the ones who are on your side (Best Served Cold).

Modifié par Khayness, 23 mars 2011 - 10:51 .

[Taleroth]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

I can explain Cullen's hesitancy to act until things are very dire:  Mutiny.

Mutiny against a superior officer is the most serious crime of all in any military unit.  To override a superior officer's orders and not be hanged for it, you pretty much must be able to prove that your superior is a stark raving lunatic.  Well, Meredith didn't display her "stark raving" side until then end game.

In other words, he was a coward and Thrask is many times over a better man than Cullen could have hoped to be.

[The Angry One]

Don't get me wrong, Cullen has been a blockhead and an idiot in his time.
But nobody's perfect. He's made mistakes and learned and ultimately became a better person who wants to do the right thing. I'll be dissappointed if he doesn't have a shot as a party member in DA3.

[The Angry One]

Taleroth wrote...

In other words, he was a coward and Thrask is many times over a better man than Cullen could have hoped to be.

Now see I don't find Thrask terribly believable. He'll turn on and kill his fellows, not for abusing their power, but for hunting apostates.. which is part of their mandate. Then he'll go right back and act like nothing happened.

[cglasgow]

Cullen's finest hour.

Starts at 2 minutes in.  And no, its not the scene of him relieving Meredith of command at the end.

[Pileyourbodies]

Epilogues don't count they're all meaningless unless referenced upon.

[Ariella]

Weirdest think is I keep seeing Cullen and Bethany as a couple... And strangely enough I approve, especially since he was crushing on an Amell if you play a human female mage in DAO .

[The Angry One]

Ariella wrote...

Weirdest think is I keep seeing Cullen and Bethany as a couple... And strangely enough I approve, especially since he was crushing on an Amell if you play a human female mage in DAO .

My Amell would disapprove! Time for a cousin fight I think.

[packardbell]

Didn't you know? He's got an evil identical twin who wanted to frame his brother.


PLOT TWIST!

Bet you didn't see that coming.

[TheBlackBaron]

PirateT138 wrote...

I don't really have the hate you've got for Cullen, but I agree that the scenario would have played out differently for my characters as well.

"We're taking Bethany, kthxbye!"

"Um...no"

Hawke was/would have been struck by Cutscene Incompetence so as to meet the demands of the plot. Ergo no option to fight the Templars about it. 

I was already struck by how well-adjusted Cullen seemed in Acts I and II, after where he left off in Origins, but Act III was just a mastepiece for him. First thing I said during the cutscene before fighting Meredith was "Holy crap, Cullen's a badass". 

Almost as good is the ending where he has such respect for Hawke that he backs down and lets the party leave unaccosted. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 24 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[Clonedzero]

epilogue slides are not canon. minor discrepancies are to be expected from your playthrough and epilogue slides and the continuing story of the world.

i mean pretty much unanimously everyone agrees that DA2 cullan is a fantastic character that people are already hoping appears as a follower in DA3 (myself included). for them to throw that away because he has the possibility to turn into a psycho in one of the DA:O epilogue slides is silly.

[Paraxial]

Cullen is a great character. He is bound to his duty, but does not blindly follow it. He believes in what the Templars stand for and what they are meant to protect, but he will not become a monster to stand for those ideals.

At the best of times he is a lawful good character, at the worst he is maybe a lawful neutral character. Pretty cool guy.

[LT123]

cglasgow wrote...

Cullen's finest hour.

Starts at 2 minutes in.  And no, its not the scene of him relieving Meredith of command at the end.

Holy crap.  And this is the same guy who was all "They might all be blood mages!" at the end of the Broken Circle quest and arguing about it with Greagoir in Origins.
When I first ran into him in DA2, my first thought was "Well, crazy Cullen's back." And instead, he was awesome. The man deserves a handshake.

[nranola]

Cullen for Knight-Commander! Who's with me?

Seriously though, he would have made a fantastic Knight-Commander. He's capable of hearing out a mage-side argument and not go into a mad fit. I was pleasantly surprised at how reasonable he was, after what happened to him in the Ferelden Circle.

[Nyaore]

I will die of happiness if he is brought back as a companion in the next game. The development he received between the titles thus far has made him into one of my favorite supporting characters in the series, and those clips above highlight one of the many reasons why he ended up in that spot. Hell, I'll even settle for him being in another supporting role for the next game in the series, so long as they continue his development.

[cglasgow]

I just wish Greagoir could know how fine Cullen turned out. He would give him such a big, manly mentor hug.