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[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

The Quest Target Real estate agency must be making a fortune reselling all of those Caves and warehouses.

[Gaiseric82]

BadGameIsBad wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Bans handed out.

Homophobia is entirely unacceptable on these forums. If you're unable to respond to things in a respectful way, you will not be welcome here anymore.

So in this game marketed towards the "Call of Duty" crowd Bioware thought it was a good idea fill the game with as much homosexuality as possible. Let's not forget the average age of the Call of Duty crowd ranges from 8-15 years old.

Remember, according to JohnEpler, if you dont like this photo you should be banned from the forums.

If your only problem with the game is a gay story line, then clearly you are homophobic, and you deserve you deserve your banning.

Furthermore, the picture you posted is asinine.

[Killer3000ad]

I hope Mike Laidlaw is more honest and forthcoming in his next interview in admitting the obvious flaws in the game and not dance around the fact that DA2 is not a worthy successor to DA:O because of all the changes they made.

[voad]

mrsph wrote...

I want to live in the world where this game is a horrible abomination.

Hi, and welcome to reality. Where this game is a horrible abomination.

[_Infiltrator]

voad wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I want to live in the world where this game is a horrible abomination.

Hi, and welcome to reality. Where this game is a horrible abomination.

At least he got his wish granted.

[CLime]

Infiltrator wrote...

During my 10 hours of play

Aaaand disregarded.

Complete Act 1 at least, then come back.  Or get a job with GameSpot.

Modifié par CLime, 14 mars 2011 - 01:56 .

[Brp650]

only good thing about this game is the Qunari. Loving the horns and the look they have. Too bad Sten didnt look like that.
Other than that, i think of it not as DA2, but DA:Hawke Kicks butt with just the push of a button

[johannes1212]

CLime wrote...

Infiltrator wrote...

During my 10 hours of play

Aaaand disregarded.

Complete Act 1 at least, then come back.  Or get a job with GameSpot.

Well he's experienced the gameplay and exploration mechanics in its entirety, average play time is 20 hours, less if you skip the cringeworthy voices, dialogue and bad fanfic level writing.

[HighlandBerserkr]

Main plot isn't the strongest, but the characters are fantastic, I agree on the recycled environs, but as for combat it is exactly the same as Origins, minus he isometric camera, and just like Origins, friendly fire is turned on in higher difficulties, god I am tired of people complaining about the combat.

[_Infiltrator]

CLime wrote...

Infiltrator wrote...

During my 10 hours of play

Aaaand disregarded.

Complete Act 1 at least, then come back.  Or get a job with GameSpot.

As said I've experienced quite a bit. I was about to end act 2 I think. I did all sidequests mind you, and got to the point where Aveline (sp?) puts it very bluntly for me in front of the qunari gates how "after that point I go into a new act so I better wrap up any side quests etc."

[HighlandBerserkr]

johannes1212 wrote...

CLime wrote...

Infiltrator wrote...

During my 10 hours of play

Aaaand disregarded.

Complete Act 1 at least, then come back.  Or get a job with GameSpot.

Well he's experienced the gameplay and exploration mechanics in its entirety, average play time is 20 hours, less if you skip the cringeworthy voices, dialogue and bad fanfic level writing.


The writeing, voice acting, characters and storytelling are fantastic in thus game gimme a break, that is one thing this game does not lack.

[johannes1212]

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

johannes1212 wrote...

CLime wrote...

Infiltrator wrote...

During my 10 hours of play

Aaaand disregarded.

Complete Act 1 at least, then come back.  Or get a job with GameSpot.

Well he's experienced the gameplay and exploration mechanics in its entirety, average play time is 20 hours, less if you skip the cringeworthy voices, dialogue and bad fanfic level writing.

The writeing, voice acting, characters and storytelling are fantastic in thus game gimme a break, that is one thing this game does not lack.

What?

[HighlandBerserkr]

Johann

The main plot may not be the strongest, but the story telling and Va are great.

[ScotGaymer]

Infiltrator wrote...


1. Blatant simplification and castration of the combat system. DA:O had a system akin to BG2 with the isometric view. It sure had problems, but it allowed tactical decisions, placement and worked well enough.

So what happenes in DA2? It turns into an action game with RPG elements. The PC is stripped of the isometric view, and you are forced with looking at the back of any given character from a close zoom. To add insult to injury, the tactical element is further brought down by introducing waves of enemies. How can you even make a decision when you don't know how many baddies are gonna jump down from rooftops, rise from the grave, or just plainly materialize in front of you (even normal guards/thugs).  Remember how you had to be careful of dangerous spells like fireball that could backfire on your entire party in DA:O? Well, worry no more! Now you can just walk your entire party in your own firestorm and let the waves of enemies melt in their own stupidity trying to reach you.

The almost non-existing tactical element is further diminished by the vanilla foes. No longer do you need to watch out from beastes overwhelming you, or mages going out of control. You just simply focus anything randomly and that's all there is to it. Mages typically just teleport around anyway.

The only good things about combat is that some of the animations are better (less wobble during fights) and there are more useful skills and the distribution is done better than in DA:O.

So basically you are conducting an action game where you are just thrown against X number of waves every Y meters. There's nothing you can premeditate about this. The good thing is, even if you mess up, chances are you can recover easily as "Hard" is hilariously easy.

This right here made me ignore your entire ranting post because you are clearly an idiot.

The combat system is EXACTLY THE SAME! The only difference is the animation speed goes MUCH faster resulting in a faster paced combat; which given how length and boring and pain in the ass annoying combat in DAO could be is massively GOOD thing.
AoE spells and talents do still affect allies but only on the higher difficulties now; so that more casual gamers arent punished. I dont see this as being a problem; if you are as a hardcore gamer as you seem to be coming off as then you shouldnt have a problem here either.

The only thing you could POSSIBLY gripe about in relation to the combat is the lack of a tactical camera; which bioware swore blind would be in the PC version by release. Is it there? No. The zoom doesnt go out far enough to be at all useful restricting you to angling the camera just right to use you talents.

A lot of the talents in DAO were useless or samey feeling. DA2 has gotten rid of that feeling of sameness by streamlining the talent trees slightly (reduced by about 20% id say) in order to diversify the talents that are there and make them ALL useful.
Which actually results in more diversity and uniqueness in character builds. And more fun combat. In DAO it was easy for the Warden to become something of a "jack of all trades"; my Warden was a 2h Warrior maxed out (with awakening talents) and was maxed out in Archer trees as well by end of GoA. In DA2 the streamlined talents system means you HAVE to specialise in one school/area in order to be strong in that area and not get pwned later in the game. This is more fun and adds to replayability.

I have nothing else to say to an irrational hater such as you who is totally and completely wrong about this particular point; and being so far wrong about this point has made me totally ignore the rest of your arguement.

EDIT:
If people want to air legitimate gripes about the game then fine.

Complaining about the blatant and rather boring overuse of the same like 4/5 levels through the whole game; or about how its really very buggy; or how we didnt get the tactical view camera we were promised. Or how its impossible to get Fenris to like you.
That would be fine with me.

But dont whine about things that arent true and dont exist anywhere except in your deluded little mind.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 14 mars 2011 - 02:39 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Infiltrator wrote...

Agreed with cosgamer. Much of the problem with the games today, DA2 included, is that people are willing to buy anything for the sake of the brand, or trend.

Found this picture that clearly demonstrates one of the strong points of "new" storytelling

http://www.gry-onlin...3/353080088.jpg

Oh yes, it's so hilarious that it only presents the paraphrase options instead of the subsequent dialogue- har-har. *rolleyes*

[johannes1212]

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Johann

The main plot may not be the strongest, but the story telling and Va are great.

No, friend, I think you have it the other way round, the plot is OK at best, so are the MOST of the voices, but what really tanked was the storytelling, they're trying to tell me that my Hawke, after 3 years in between acts, hasn't received a single copper, or developed some crows feet around the eyes from the stress? What has he been doing in between that time? sitting on his couch for years on end without eating, drinking or going outside?
So no, the story telling mechanic in that aspect was god-awful and totally 100% pointless in what it was trying to achieve.

Modifié par johannes1212, 14 mars 2011 - 02:36 .

[HighlandBerserkr]

johannes1212 wrote...

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Johann

The main plot may not be the strongest, but the story telling and Va are great.

No, friend, I think you have it the other way round, the plot is OK at best, so are the MOST of the voices, but what really tanked was the storytelling, they're trying to tell me that my Hawke, after 3 years in between acts, hasn't received a single copper, or developed some crows feet around the eyes from the stress? What has he been doing in between that time? sitting on his couch for years on end without eating, drinking or going outside?
So no, the story telling mechanic in that aspect was god-awful and totally 100% pointless in what it was trying to achieve.

Use the mirror in the black emporium to give your Hawke more wrinkles

[Tirigon]

Totally agree with the OP.

So far the best thing about the game is Merril (honestly... i fell in love the first time I saw those beautiful, sad eyes) - and sadly the dialogue quest with her is bugged.

By the way, the fact that you HAVE dialogue quests (as in "Go talk to XXX in its base") instead of being able to talk whenever you want like in DAO is just another of the many epic fails DA2 is ruined by.

[johannes1212]

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

johannes1212 wrote...

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Johann

The main plot may not be the strongest, but the story telling and Va are great.

No, friend, I think you have it the other way round, the plot is OK at best, so are the MOST of the voices, but what really tanked was the storytelling, they're trying to tell me that my Hawke, after 3 years in between acts, hasn't received a single copper, or developed some crows feet around the eyes from the stress? What has he been doing in between that time? sitting on his couch for years on end without eating, drinking or going outside?
So no, the story telling mechanic in that aspect was god-awful and totally 100% pointless in what it was trying to achieve.

Use the mirror in the black emporium to give your Hawke more wrinkles

Not the main point in my argument pal.

[Hiei987]

People need to stop acting like the new combat system officially makes the game worse. It is your personal opinion and is not even the view of the majority. Don't expect PC to maintain its unique genres forever, multiplatform games always end up pushing towards console-style content (Battlefield Bad Company 2 - Perfect Example). Fast paced action RPGs have had great success on consoles, and will mostly likely dominate the PC market in the future. If you are going to suggest improvements for the game, it should be about something else.

[Apechild]

johannes1212 wrote...

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Johann

The main plot may not be the strongest, but the story telling and Va are great.

No, friend, I think you have it the other way round, the plot is OK at best, so are the MOST of the voices, but what really tanked was the storytelling, they're trying to tell me that my Hawke, after 3 years in between acts, hasn't received a single copper, or developed some crows feet around the eyes from the stress? What has he been doing in between that time? sitting on his couch for years on end without eating, drinking or going outside?
So no, the story telling mechanic in that aspect was god-awful and totally 100% pointless in what it was trying to achieve.

I was thinking something similar earlier on whilst playing - did Hawke do nothing for three years, saving it all up for a mad dash inside a few days where he slaughters hundreds of enemies for a few coins...everything feels so compressed whilst the storyline tries to make it feel lengthened. To draw a comparison with another game that does something similar, but quite well, I'm going to look at Assassin's Creed II. With that as the years went by with Ezio it actually felt that he was getting older, wiser, maturer. With Hawke it's only 3 years on because the game tells me its three years on. If there's an important NPC who is talked about a lot why, after a year in the same city as the NPC, does Hawke get a dialogue option, after he's discussed this person with insight into who they are, to ask someone who the NPC is?

Pacing is important for a storyline and DA2 has very poor pacing.

[TheKnave69]

Duke Mathias wrote...

Infiltrator: To add insult to injury, the game is only half as long as DAO. That was what upset me the most. I can live with the new combat system, the recycled dungeons (even though they were annoying), the lame companions and the mediocre story if only the game had been at least as long as DAO. This game would have been good if it had been an expansion to DAO. It certainly feels like a prologue to DA2.

With all of those complaints, you wanted it to be longer?

[Tirigon]

BadGameIsBad wrote...

So in this game marketed towards the "Call of Duty" crowd Bioware thought it was a good idea fill the game with as much homosexuality as possible. Let's not forget the average age of the Call of Duty crowd ranges from 8-15 years old.

Remember, according to JohnEpler, if you dont like this photo you should be banned from the forums.

[Picture of guys kissing]

Feel free to copy/paste this post into any topic you please. Bioware has shown it has no problem with copy/pasting with the release of DA2.

Being tolerant towards homosexuality doesn´t mean you have to like the picture.......

Just like, if you´re hetero you don´t ****** to every women there is out there (unless, of course, YOU do, in which case any argument made is pretty much wasted).

Hiei987 wrote...

People need to stop acting like the new
combat system officially makes the game worse. It is your personal
opinion and is not even the view of the majority. Don't expect PC to
maintain its unique genres forever, multiplatform games always end up
pushing towards console-style content (Battlefield Bad Company 2 -
Perfect Example). Fast paced action RPGs have had great success on
consoles, and will mostly likely dominate the PC market in the future.
If you are going to suggest improvements for the game, it should be
about something else.

Unfortunately an end to the existence of consoles would be the most important improvement for games.
The only good game we have thanks to consoles is Halo, and even that got worse with every sequel up to the latest ones which were so unbearably sucky they´re not even Halo anymore.

Modifié par Tirigon, 14 mars 2011 - 02:55 .

[HighlandBerserkr]

Also Johann I have not really got any extra wrinkles or " crows feet" in 10 years let alone 3, and I would say I am around Hawkes age