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[Aesieru]

I rely far too much on status effects to kill anything beyond the basic... and I fight like ridiculous numbers of guys with varying health for no real reason.

[HighlandBerserkr]

Tirigon wrote...

BadGameIsBad wrote...

So in this game marketed towards the "Call of Duty" crowd Bioware thought it was a good idea fill the game with as much homosexuality as possible. Let's not forget the average age of the Call of Duty crowd ranges from 8-15 years old.

Remember, according to JohnEpler, if you dont like this photo you should be banned from the forums.

[Picture of guys kissing]

Feel free to copy/paste this post into any topic you please. Bioware has shown it has no problem with copy/pasting with the release of DA2.

Being tolerant towards homosexuality doesn´t mean you have to like the picture.......


Gimme a break, there are tons of great games because of consoles and plent far superior to halo, gaming would be dead if it wasn't for consoles and the money they bring.
Just like, if you´re hetero you don´t ****** to every women there is out there (unless, of course, YOU do, in which case any argument made is pretty much wasted).

Hiei987 wrote...

People need to stop acting like the new
combat system officially makes the game worse. It is your personal
opinion and is not even the view of the majority. Don't expect PC to
maintain its unique genres forever, multiplatform games always end up
pushing towards console-style content (Battlefield Bad Company 2 -
Perfect Example). Fast paced action RPGs have had great success on
consoles, and will mostly likely dominate the PC market in the future.
If you are going to suggest improvements for the game, it should be
about something else.

Unfortunately an end to the existence of consoles would be the most important improvement for games.
The only good game we have thanks to consoles is Halo, and even that got worse with every sequel up to the latest ones which were so unbearably sucky they´re not even Halo anymore.

Modifié par HighlandBerserkr, 14 mars 2011 - 03:31 .

[Persephone]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Another PCer lamenting the need for change within the rpg genre.

Need for change? Last time I checked, the biggest selling game of all time was an RPG PC exclusive called World of Warcraft... and Origins made an absolute mint. So did all of Bioware's other games... 

Or do you like being poor and full of fail?

And we all know the DEPTH of WOW, the favorite of thirteen yeat old kids who've never played an RPG game ever.

[Morducai]

Clammo wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Another PCer lamenting the need for change within the rpg genre.

Yes, DA:O, Bioware's most successful game ever according to Rob Bartel (Bioware Dev) - obviously there was a need for drastic change....

Agreed...There was a drastic need to change formula that made DA:O into a successful BioWare game.

[johannes1212]

HighlandBerserkr wrote...

Also Johann I have not really got any extra wrinkles or " crows feet" in 10 years let alone 3, and I would say I am around Hawkes age

You are completely missing my point dude, what I'm trying to  say is that the old "main plot may not be the strongest, but the story telling and Va are great" meme that stemmed off from Mass Effect 2 boards DON'T apply here, I will say again, DA2 has a passable story and production values, but the storytelling mechanics they implemented are COMPLETELY OUT OF PLACE and do not fit the story they are trying to tell with it.

Modifié par johannes1212, 14 mars 2011 - 03:25 .

[Morroian]

Morducai wrote...

Clammo wrote...

Yes, DA:O, Bioware's most successful game ever according to Rob Bartel (Bioware Dev) - obviously there was a need for drastic change....

Agreed...There was a drastic need to change formula that made DA:O into a successful BioWare game.

Final sales figures for ME2 have now been released and it has outsold DAO by more than 2 million, so ME2 is the most successful BW game.

[Kandid001]

Morroian wrote...

Final sales figures for ME2 have now been released and it has outsold DAO by more than 2 million, so ME2 is the most successful BW game.

Your point?

ME2 is a sci-fi action RPG with much higher emphasis on action than DA:O and (arguably) weaker RPG elements. By axing DA:O's features and revamping DA2 to appeal to a supposedly larger audience, BioWare sacrificed the core audience of DA:O who made it possible for them to release DA2 in the first place.

Also Black Ops is a top seller, this doesn't change the fact that it's an insult to human intelligence.

Modifié par Kandid001, 14 mars 2011 - 03:28 .

[Psython]

Kandid001 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Final sales figures for ME2 have now been released and it has outsold DAO by more than 2 million, so ME2 is the most successful BW game.

Your point?

ME2 is a sci-fi action RPG with much higher emphasis on action than DA:O and (arguably) weaker RPG elements. By axing DA:O's features and revamping DA2 to appeal to a supposedly larger audience, BioWare sacrificed the core audience of DA:O who made it possible for them to release DA2 in the first place.

Also Black Ops is a top seller, this doesn't change the fact that it's an insult to human intelligence.

Agreed. There is no reason that games have to be dumbed down to be critically acclaimed and well sold. Demon Souls is a good example. Bioware should promote accessability through in game tutorials and a well designed interface, not by removing features. Its the same with music, there are kesha and bieber that are more popular than John Coltane and Mozart.   

[Aesieru]

I don't mind Bieber, he probably encouraged more women than Mozart then.

[HighlandBerserkr]

Don't pay attention to my far above post, I tried to quote from an iPhone and can't scroll down far enough so it's kinda jumbled, mine was the one about consoles offering better games than Halo

As for DA 2, the only complaint I have is the cut and paste caves/dungeons and the MASSIVE change to Anders voice and attitude, I hate it.

[AtreiyaN7]

Infiltrator wrote...


There are more things I could say that are in favor or against DA2, but, IMHO, they are minor compared to the big 3 that I mentioned. If you're a fan of mindless fast paced action combat, than this is for you. If you're a Old school PC RPG fan that was happy with Baldurs Gate, Dragon Age Origins and The Witcher, there's nothing interesting to see in DA:2.

I've played all those games (haven't finished The Witcher because I've found ihe first section to be insanely boring), but I happened to like DA2 and found the story involving. Thanks for your concern for the well-being of all us old-school PC RPG fans who loved the BG series and DA:O, etc. As for referring to the combat as mindless, DA2 is as tactical as you want it to be in my opinion, especially on Hard or Nightmare.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 14 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[HighlandBerserkr]

Also, black ops is an incredibly fun game, not every game has to be deep an intricate. Some games are meant to be just pick and play fun.

[IcedCube]

but that again is a question of taste and a point we would never agree on

There is no such thing. All points that attribute quality in any measurable way, such as in the evaluation of writing and musical compositions, can be agreed upon. What your personal preference in the value of those attributions is would be an entirely different matter.

I don't mind Bieber, he probably encouraged more women than Mozart then.

He could "encourage then" more women, men, children and animals than any individual or entity to have ever lived before him, his music is still qualitatively crap. Whether you enjoy his music is a different issue. It's why there's such a thing we can call "bad taste."

I have bad taste because I listen to the backstreet boys. I have bad taste because I grind Mu Online. You have bad taste because you like DA2 in all of its repetitive glory.

As for referring to the combat as mindless, DA2 is as tactical as you want it to be in my opinion, especially on Hard or Nightmare.

How tactical a situation is depends on the situation, not on the applied tactics. So huge fail there, but not as much as the other: "in my opinion." Again, something requires tactics or it doesn't. That's something that is factually determined.

Modifié par IcedCube, 14 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[tonnactus]

strangerism wrote...


Suspension of disbelief  do you know what is it?
the idea of an eroic party fighting countless enemies and huge monsters is to give a sense of epicness to the tale you are telling, one of the staple of the fantasy genre. Having ninjas exploding enemies with daggers doesnt make it epic rather makes it silly, cheap, flashy, splatterish, ketchup. On the contrary of subtle, evocative, immersive, etc. 
 

Yes,i know what it is.And it was broken by a woman in noble clothes,having more health then an even a boss ogre and do doing as much damage just with her fists.
I have less problems with exploding enemies then this.

[Tripedius]

A mature (gore, sex and profanity) game aimed at 12 - 18 year olds. Epic fail. That or the people at Bioware think every gamer is an oversexual, antisocial nerd living with his mother.

[Lux]

Drogo45 wrote...

Another PCer lamenting the need for change within the rpg genre.

I'd say lamenting the perceived rush in release.

[Kenthen]

Isabela to Zevran, I paraphrase: "You're leaving already? What about sex?"
*facepalm*

All in all though I still like this game, it does have some unfortunate problems though.

[Lumikki]

I mostly disagree with OP, but not about the story stuff.

There is something wrong in the game about related story. I mean if you play longer the story may create emotional connections and feel better, but there is no real driving force why you character does what it does. It's more like your only goal is survive trough dayly life, you do random job for money. It's little like some boring real life. It's missing the wow, I'm in some great adventure what makes player to be interested about story.

It's like difference reading book of some persons real life biography or read some fantastic adventure book for the story.

Don't get me wrong I think DA2 is well done game in many ways, but...

Modifié par Lumikki, 14 mars 2011 - 11:17 .

[Teh Chozen Wun]

I love dragon age 2! The fact that you think it's an abomination saddens me!

[tonnactus]

Morroian wrote...

Final sales figures for ME2 have now been released

Link please?

[mredders91]

my jedi sences tell me there is much rage in this post

but i think at 5 pages there not much more that can be new here so lets end it here

[Darke1]

To be honest, i liked the game and a lot of the changes, even though i am a PC player.

I didnt find the simplification much of an issue. Yes, it has changed and maybe it is not quite as tactical, but it is still fun...you just have to get used to it being different. I really like the new inventory system, though i was disappointed by the limitations on equiping companions.

While i have no problem with models from DA:O being used a lot (though often better and clearer), i do agree that the same map areas are repeated way too often...to the point of on some quests you actually get a surprise when you come across an area map you have not seen before.

As for the story, i like it and actually find it very engaging, probably more so that Origins, especially when it comes to talking with the companions, though i do miss not being able to chat to them while adventuring.

All-in-all, i really am enjoying DA2, in many ways as much as DA:O, but just in a different way i guess. As for replay, i'm not not sure on that answer yet, but aleast one two more play throughs to be a mage and a warrior. In DA:O i never felt the desire to play a mage, but in DA2 the idea does appeal (though for my first and current game i am playing a Rogue as i always do).

[Funkcase]

Listening to the forums, I thought I would hate the game, so I just rented it, I actually really like it alot! Altough there is alot i'm unimpressed by, such as the lack of character development, how every conversation with companions lasts less than 2 minutes, and that we dont even have many conversatins with them. There is a feel of too much combat at times, but the combat is enjoyable. The way the story is told and unfolds is good, although I hate the ending, I like endings that end the game, not leave it open for the next game.

So I would say this isn't Bioware at there best, but this is a good game.

Modifié par Funkcase, 14 mars 2011 - 11:38 .

[sleepytoes]

 hm.

Dragon Age Wars

http://fivefingeredp...n-age-wars.html

Modifié par sleepytoes, 14 mars 2011 - 11:42 .

[Hinso_Inferno]

I pretty much agree with most of these. Some of the characters seem pretty good. I like Varric so far but the repeated dialogue in combat is starting to bore me.

The WORST things about this game are the restricted camera and this whole waves of enemies crap. I absolutely despise that style of goameplay and you are right it basically does remove any proper forward planning you could have because you have no idea how many enmies are magically going to fade into existance. That sort of combat design is lazy and bad.

The game itself IS fun but it just shows that they havne't put nearly as much effort in as they did for origins.