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For Dragon Age 3, we need our Warden back.


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#201
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randName wrote...

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I'm not mixing up Levels as what you are relative to the world, with that of game mechanics at all ~ I'm sometimes referencing other games, mentioning their level system, using it since most know that at level 18 in BG2 you are extremly heroic in strength, with 20+ being demi-godly etc. This is just a reference.

I'm only using these as reference points.

But what I'm talking about is the common, day todad use of Level, as relative to (and not as game mechanics).

You on the other hand always talk about game mechanics, as if when I state that I don't want to lower the level of a character, I talk about the game mechanic numeric, not the relative level to the rest of the world.

So when I say that I don't want to lower the level of a character, I only say that I don't want the character to be weakened relative to the world, and that has nothing to do with what numeric level the character uses, since this is arbitraty from game to game, and not of interest at all to me.



An other reason for me for them never to return, or use the Warden again, is that for me the story with the Warden is over.

In one game Anora and the Warden ruled, in an other Leliana and the Warden wandered off, and so on, we already got the epiloges, and if BioWare decided to continue the story of the Warden, they first need to retcon DA:O to something it never was.




That isn't what you said in the other post. I even quoted you. You say one thing then claim you meant another. And you keep repeating yourself; it's a bit tiring. Right now you're just nitpicking on semantics, really. I talk about game mechanics because you keep bringing up the same argument over and over again, and it's the argument to which my game mechanics opinion applies. You say one thing, then switch and sort of blur the two.

I have already addressed the whole 'level relative to the world around the Warden' thing repeatedly (really, I GET it, there's no need to keep going back to it just because I disagree), though you conveniently choose to ignore that. I have addressed everything you brought up, yet you keep going back to the level thing - level relative to the rest of the world, of course <_< . So, what did you expect? 

Well, I think I'll jump off this little ferris wheel of a debate; the thought of going around yet again isn't terribly appealing. I never did like ferris wheels.

I will say this, though; the Warden's story may be over for you, filled with gaps though it is, but that does not apply wo everyone. Not even the majority. As I said before, I feel a compromise would be the most fair to all concerned.

Now, I have feel I have made my point, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. And just in case, do be kind enough to note that I said 'acknowledge', not agree. I am not expecting you to agree.

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I would love to continue grey warden storyline even if it meant a new grey warden protagonist. If not atleast bioware should get rid of predefined human hero and let us custom our protagonist like in orgins, like choosing race and backround story.

Modifié par Sir Caradoc, 11 avril 2011 - 03:52 .


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BobSmith101 wrote...

They can't resurect my character if he died in DA. The only other option would be a generic Warden, and that was not as interesting in the DLC.


My Shepard died in ME2 yet he is still appearing in ME3.  How dare they!!!!!

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Lethvienne wrote...

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No. As much as I love the Warden, it's impossible to implement in a game seeing that you would be a nigh-immortal super hero...the normal enemies would have to be Archdemons to be a challenging threat...


Once again this argument appears to be based solely on the assumption that the Warden's level from Awakening and the other Origins DLC would be imported over to the new game. This is not the case. Such a thing would never happen.

And as far as the Warden's in character strength, he/she is nowhere near 'being this nigh-immortal superhero' you describe. Nowhere near. Yes, the Warden is famous. A widely admired hero. But still mortal. Not even remotely close to the super powered being you indicated.


a) He should be as strong as in Awakening. Why should he suddenly be as weak as at the start of his adventures? Even if you pull of a Gothic and let him lose his memory, that does not let him lose his muscles and reflexes. If the warden reappears and suddenly has problems fighting spiders, you completely break up with any immersion the game might have had.

B) I don't know about your warden, but my warden was nigh-invincible. Normal attacks dealt about 2-5 damage to him and magic could hardly even get through his resistances. Even the archdemon was not able to take him down below 90% hitpoints. That's not nigh-invincible? It sure is.

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I've come to warn you about MAN-GIRAFFE-DOG!! It's the single greatest threat to humanity!! RUN AWAY!!

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re: Warden or Hawke returning and issues w/ being 'overpowered'

since BioWare seems keen on 'changing stuff'...why not change the game mechanics/system it self?
put in a system, like WFRP, where leveling up, or having great gear, or having lots of abilities just means, for the most part, having more options, instead of being necessarily more 'powerful'.

Remove level-scaling enemies and gear. Minimize emphasis on HP-build-up.
Emphasize, instead, on how a protagonist's 'experience' can better be reflected than just adding more and more HP and continually increasing his/her damage potential and doing the same to the protagonist's enemies.

If they don't change the enemies, then methinks they should just keep the protagonists (Warden and Hawke) at the same (or better) power levels they ended their respective games at. If they can't be more 'creative' w/ the system they're using, then they can focus on being more 'creative' w/ the story and reflecting how each protagonists' relative power levels affect Thedas.

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Rawgrim wrote...

I don`t want to start with a level 30 character in DA3, so NO. Warden should remain in the past.


Dont be foolish =\\ You would obviously begin from scratch with new abilities to achieve..
All we want is The Warden back & for him to be voiced. I'm sure BioWare could incorperate a 40 min origin story for the Warden & a 40 min origin story for another character for new players with both paths leading to the same event which sparks off the start of DA3's adventure. I want to play my Warden again, a want a couple of cameos but most of all.. MOST OF ALL BIOWARE!.. I WANT HIS HAPPY ENDING WITH LILLIANA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(

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DragonAgeFanatiiic wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

I don`t want to start with a level 30 character in DA3, so NO. Warden should remain in the past.


Dont be foolish = You would obviously begin from scratch with new abilities to achieve..
All we want is The Warden back & for him to be voiced. I'm sure BioWare could incorperate a 40 min origin story for the Warden & a 40 min origin story for another character for new players with both paths leading to the same event which sparks off the start of DA3's adventure. I want to play my Warden again, a want a couple of cameos but most of all.. MOST OF ALL BIOWARE!.. I WANT HIS HAPPY ENDING WITH LILLIANA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(


This is such a horrible idea, and would be certain to make me never play DA3.

& you already had a happy ending with Leliana in DA:O.

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I hate the warden. He/she is like some lead out of a juvenile Hollywood hero movie.

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think about it in awakining we could export are warden at the same level we had in dao the bad guys were at the same level or higher all yall that said i dont want a level 30 charahter is crazy cause yall aint thinking it trough i want my warden back it was my warden i chose every thing that happened. da2 was ok but really boring at some pointts cause it was the same old places make da3 like dao it was a whole lot better oh da2 was stupid in game play bring back the original and not the stupid hack and slash dragon age became in 2

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Rawgrim wrote...
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All we want is The Warden back & for him to be voiced.
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I guess you mean "All  I  want..." because i dont wont him to be voiced.

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Heheh, my warden had his happy ending with Leliana. As happy as it could be. She became a love interest after Morrigan expressed doubt in her ability to love. Warden and Leliana grew closer and had a romance, but he still had strong feelings for Morrigan. My warden always loved Morrigan, I suppose. he fell in love with her when she told tales of transforming into animals and exploring the shadows a human couldn't even imagine, walking underneath the moonlight.
Leliana captivated him with her song. She mesmerized him with her strange visions. She loved him and that seemed to content him enough to be with her for a time. I always felt though that the connection between him and Morrigan would wear on his relationship with Leliana, and that Leliana had plans of her own, bigger than sticking beside the Warden. In the end it seems she left his side to serve her Maker, and he left to find his child and the one who denied herself his love.
It was a wonderful tale of two loves between three people. I enjoyed that story immensely in Origins. It's part of the reason I have such affection towards my Warden.

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I would like the Warden back, but only if it made sense. I drank the potion Ivernus had made in Warden's Keep. If that's canon, I suppose there would be room for the Warden to survive longer than most Warden's should. There's also Awakenings. The Architect might have done something to alter the Warden's blood in some way, allowing him to live longer...and also may entail some interesting difficulties as well.
That would be a pretty neat line to take the story in.
Flemeth seems to have some strange interest in the Wardens. Something drove her to save the Warden at Ostagar, just as something drove her to intervene for Hawke after Lothering fell. I can't imagine her plans don't include hunting down her daughter and her Warden conspirator.

If Flemeth has any importance to the future of the purported continuation of the series, we should see a reappearance of the Warden, and hopefully it will be significant.

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Critical Miss wrote...

I hate the warden. He/she is like some lead out of a juvenile Hollywood hero movie.

+1

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I got on with my Warden and I wouldn't mind seeing her again, but she's had her story. She stuck a dagger in the Archdemon's head, saved Ferelden and pursued the horde into Amaranthine. Job done.

A new character would be better, but one thing needs to changed: No more being forced to take objectionable jobs! I'm talking, of course, about Sister Patrice. You say you won't help her, that you object and want no part of it, but in saying that you accept the quest just as if you'd said you think it's a great idea. In DAO, there were always two ways a quest could go. Bring this back so we can have some say in how our character develops.

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I actually don't want my Warden back. I want more Hawke. o-o'

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Teddie Sage wrote...

I actually don't want my Warden back. I want more Hawke. o-o'


This. My Warden had a wonderful story and my fan fic will connect her to the world of DAII. But I too want to see more Hawke/new blood.:)

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Now that another game has passed I really can't see having my Warden back. I would have loved to have the Warden back in DA2, but that didn't happen.

But I don't want another game with Hawke, there was nothing that made that character memorable for me where I would want another game with Hawke.

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I was kinda thinking they were leading up to a team-up. Play half the game as Hawke half as the Warden. I think it would be interesting.

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Aaleel wrote...

Now that another game has passed I really can't see having my Warden back. I would have loved to have the Warden back in DA2, but that didn't happen.

But I don't want another game with Hawke, there was nothing that made that character memorable for me where I would want another game with Hawke.


Okay then, would you prefer a completely new hero? (I've seen people voting for a Seeker in DAIII)

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Persephone wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Now that another game has passed I really can't see having my Warden back. I would have loved to have the Warden back in DA2, but that didn't happen.

But I don't want another game with Hawke, there was nothing that made that character memorable for me where I would want another game with Hawke.


Okay then, would you prefer a completely new hero? (I've seen people voting for a Seeker in DAIII)


Yes.  Who that is would depend on where the game would take place and what the over arching story is. 

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Oh no. I don't want my Warden back. She is hanging out at Gwaren with Zevran, having babies and being retired. Yes, she will have a kid or two, even though she's a Warden.
Why?
Because she's mine, and I say she is. That's why. ;)
She's also a mage. She knows about .... weird stuff.

I also don't want Hawke back. She might not have closure in-game, but she does in my head. She's hanging out with Fenris, giving Kirkwall the raspberry/stinky finger/both.
They'll be going to a dinner party later this week - at Gwaren, with my Warden and Zevran.

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The Warden is getting laid with Morrigan inside the Eluvian. No time for saving the world again.

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If Dragon Age 3 doesn't have the Warden in it, I'm not buying it. I hated DA2 except for the new combat system which made you feel more apart of it instead of hitting A to attack and hitting a special ability. I bought DA2 the day it came out, and I stopped playing it in 3 days in. I haven't even beaten the game because I hate it that much.
Who the hell cares about "Hawke" who saved Kirkwall? I sure as hell don't. I want to find out about what happened to my warden and morrigan. They went into a portal with two things, a kid and love. I want to know what happens. Does a dragon eat them, do they pull an Army of Darkness and go into the past.

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As much as I liked DAO and also am wondering what happened to The Warden and Morrigan ( :wub: ), I want to play Hawke again, not anyone else. Cameo's are welcome but the stage belongs to the Champion now.