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[ACDimps]

In DA2, we see some people "loose control" of their magic, and turn into
an abomination. Usually it involves the person feeling a "real
emotional" moment....where they go "get away from me!!" and I gues they
lose control.

how come bethany, who's only training was from her
father, not falling prey to this? On some of the more intense elemental
spells, your mage looks like they are tapping deep into their "emotional
power", drawing out a huge firestorm with their hands raised high in
the air... and yet they don't turn into monsters.

I'm specifically talking about the side-quest where you need to track down a missing daughter. She is running from Templars who want to take her. She gets surrounded, gets scared, and decides to use some of her magic. Boom, she turns into a tumor monster.

It made me a bit sad to see... especially because the game never says she was dealing with demons/blood magic....

Modifié par ACDimps, 13 mars 2011 - 06:38 .

[RosaAquafire]

I'm pretty sure it has to do with strength of character. Someone strong can resist the urge to answer the whispers of the demons. Fenris admits at one point in a banter that Bethany was strong enough, and if HE thinks so, well, then.

[cglasgow]

Bethany and Mage Hawke were trained by their father, who apparently was a very good mage. So they apparently got training equally as good as Circle training. (In fact, those letters from the templar you find on Carver's sidequest in act 1 makes me wonder if Papa Hawke wasn't originally a mage of the Kirkwall Circle, before jumping the fence like Anders did from the Ferelden Circle.)

Plus, there is precedent for apostates with proper training being fully as demon-resistant as Circle mages; Morrigan.   Having been brought up by the single most powerful and experienced mage in the entire flipping world, Morrigan is as 100% demon-resistant as any survivor of a Harrowing, despite having never been near the Circle in her life.

Also, both Mage Hawke and Bethany seem to be very stable personalities psychologically; Bethany's worst hangup is a simple 'Sometimes I wish I were normal and not a mage, so the family didn't have to run away all the time', and Hawke is, natch, Hawke.   Plus, by the time they get to Kirkwall, they're both combat veterans.

So between having proper magic training, decent willpower, and an ability to emotionally hold it together during crisis situations, the demons get nowhere.

Whereas that girl in the warehouse was entirely untrained, a panicking child in the middle of a horrible situation, and IIRC, the Veil is generally thinner in Kirkwall than it is in Ferelden due to all the horrible **** the old Tevinter Imperium used to get up to when they owned it.

Modifié par cglasgow, 13 mars 2011 - 06:47 .

[Pyrate_d]

"becoming an abomination" is a lame plot device that forces you to kill people you normally wouldn't

it was incredibly overused in DA2

[ACDimps]

cglasgow wrote...

Bethany and Mage Hawke were trained by their father, who apparently was a very good mage. So they apparently got training equally as good as Circle training. (In fact, those letters from the templar you find on Carver's sidequest in act 1 makes me wonder if Papa Hawke wasn't originally a mage of the Kirkwall Circle, before jumping the fence like Anders did from the Ferelden Circle.)

Plus, there is precedent for apostates with proper training being fully as demon-resistant as Circle mages; Morrigan.   Having been brought up by the single most powerful and experienced mage in the entire flipping world, Morrigan is as 100% demon-resistant as any survivor of a Harrowing, despite having never been near the Circle in her life.

Also, both Mage Hawke and Bethany seem to be very stable personalities psychologically; Bethany's worst hangup is a simple 'Sometimes I wish I were normal and not a mage, so the family didn't have to run away all the time', and Hawke is, natch, Hawke.   Plus, by the time they get to Kirkwall, they're both combat veterans.

So between having proper magic training, decent willpower, and an ability to emotionally hold it together during crisis situations, the demons get nowhere.

Whereas that girl in the warehouse was entirely untrained, a panicking child in the middle of a horrible situation, and IIRC, the Veil is generally thinner in Kirkwall than it is in Ferelden due to all the horrible **** the old Tevinter Imperium used to get up to when they owned it.

fair enough point. Untrained mages really are a menace....poor girl, though

[ACDimps]

Pyrate_d wrote...

"becoming an abomination" is a lame plot device that forces you to kill people you normally wouldn't

it was incredibly overused in DA2

and this is the other side of the coin...also a point worth considering.

[Crimsoneer]

They have plot armour

[AdrianC25]

"Most" of the mages because abominations not because they get upset but because the templars have pushed them and pushed them treating them like monsters keeping them caged and making them Tranquil for no reason. Out of pure desperation many turned to blood magic to survive the only way they felt they could and THAT caused many to lose control.

The mages where not the problem the Idol mad Knight Commander forced many to resort to this after atleast 10 years of constant abuse wore many down. If the Kirkwall Circle wasnt so oppressed this issue wouldnt have been forced so soon.

[Cuthlan]

Crimsoneer wrote...

They have plot armour

Which is the very reason none of our companions in the DA universe ever contract the taint when we fight Darkspawn.

...oh, crap.