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[Zaros]

After Golems of Amgarrak, I was expecting some lead up to some global catastrophe as hundreds of little Harvesters covered Thedas and people found there was a new threat to the world besides darkspawn and mages.

Instead I got Orsino transforming into a Harvester completely at random, for no particular reason, and then trying to kill me.

First off, how can you explain this? In Amgarrak it seemed like the Harvesters were really thier own unique species, possibly created by a mage by accident, or maybe locked away and released after sensing the presence of a flesh golem (that part was kind of ambiguous). Suddenly the Harvester has just become some sort of transformation spell that you can put together using a couple of bodies? I was seriously expecting the totem that Bartrand had found to be some kind of beacon for the Harvesters, what with it's red lyrium infused glow and all, but I guess I was wrong.

Second, what was the point? I stuck my neck out for Orsino in order to help all the mages, and he even said we may have some hope, and then he pulls this ****? Not only that, but he locked the very templars he was trying to kill outside of the room, it's like he wasn't even trying to kill them, he just wanted me for some reason. To be honest, even after he did it I still had some hope that I'd be able to fight alongside him, but no. "Oh hey Hawke, I think we're going to win, but I'm going to go ahead and transform into some horiffic monstrosity and then proceed to lock the templars out of the room and only attack you, despite that fact that I've just stated you're my only hope."

This is also ignoring how wierd the transformation cutscene is if all the mages who fought the templars survived, and all of the sudden you see them lying on the floor covered in blood for no reason.

Modifié par Zaros, 13 mars 2011 - 07:22 .

[TJPags]

Can't explain it. Meaningless boss fight thrown in for 'awesome-ness'.

[Pyrate_d]

pretty sure it's only there to provide content. As opposed to just fighting the templar OR mage boss, you fight both, no matter what decision you make

just another example of how little your decisions matter

Modifié par Pyrate_d, 13 mars 2011 - 07:01 .

[greatcrusader44]

Yes i found this very stupid, Why would Orsino do this? It makes absolutely no sense, and like you said he blocked the templars he was threatening from the room and attacked his allies.

[Pyrate_d]

HURR DURR I'M GOING TO USE BLOOD MAGIC

why?

TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOMETHING TO RIGHT CLICK ON, OF COURSE!

[MB957]

lol...I thought he was gonna help me in that fight. after all..wasn't I helping him? I paused my game at that point, went take a ******, laughed, ate a candy bar, and came back to see how it all would end...lol

[Cajeb]

Yeah that was just stupid

[KenKenpachi]

I'm pretty sure when Gavrilo Princip shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria he didn't think or wanted it to lead to WW1... Opps **** happens?

As and Edit As I know I'll be asked what my point is.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. And we always don't get what we want. Or rather we do in an unexpected way.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 13 mars 2011 - 07:17 .

[Crimsoneer]

It would have made a moddicum of sense if he'd gone and transformed BEFORE I'd gone and killed all the Templars...

[Zaros]

KenKenpachi wrote...

I'm pretty sure when Gavrilo Princip shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria he didn't think or wanted it to lead to WW1... Opps **** happens?

As and Edit As I know I'll be asked what my point is.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. And we always don't get what we want. Or rather we do in an unexpected way.

That wasn't even a good intention though.

Orsino pretty much went out of his way to prove Meridith right, and then went further out of his way to try and end his own cause.

[mao16]

I posted this before but...
This is my take on Orsino.

He knows how to use blood magic but has never actually practiced it (he IS a first enchanter after all). So now that he's most likely about to watch the last of his mages die he gives in and tries to use blood magic to survive/ save the remaining mages etc. The only problem is he's a tad bit overconfident (he is the first enchanter/ a pretty capable mage) and he's never practiced blood magic before. So he tries to cast an advance blood magic spell and it backfires/ blows up in his face and turns him into a Harvester?

I think they were trying to make his character even more tragic.

Modifié par mao16, 13 mars 2011 - 07:24 .

[Demon Velsper]

Seems to me they just went "Oh crap, we made that Golems of Amgarrak DLC didn't we, better put a Harvester in the game."

No mind it makes no -ing sense, just put it in there.

Harvesters were an attempt by dwarves to create a Golem out of flesh and now Orsino just turns into one out the blue? Epic writing there.

And the point of all those Harvesters escaping at the end of Amgarrak was...? Oh, never mind then.

[KenKenpachi]

Zaros wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

I'm pretty sure when Gavrilo Princip shot Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria he didn't think or wanted it to lead to WW1... Opps **** happens?

As and Edit As I know I'll be asked what my point is.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. And we always don't get what we want. Or rather we do in an unexpected way.

That wasn't even a good intention though.

Orsino pretty much went out of his way to prove Meridith right, and then went further out of his way to try and end his own cause.

Never know he might have went "Pft Hawke is showing him up" >> "CHILL GUYS I GOT THIS ****!" And like a drunk on a mechanical bull he failed hard, maybe he thought he could control it, much as the Mage in Soldiers Keep did.

[efrgfhnm_]

This is the point when I lost all hope of the ending making up for the lackluster story. This fight made no sense, this guy had been contacting me to get me to hlep, saying he agrees with me, saying that he thinks there is some chance of winning this fight if we fought togetehr, and then does this for the sole purpose of attacking me, not the templars?

[Jaredor]

I think it would have made a little more sense if they made it seem like that was his first time ever using blood magic and after summoning some demons they turn on him and make him into a harvestor abomination thing.

As for resorting to blood magic in the first place, I'm not sure what he was thinking. I can understand him being depressed about losing so many mages but he has the champion at his side who at that point has defeated the qunari almost single handedly as well as taken on a high dragon, striders, darkspawn, blood mages, rogue templars, the Crows, demons of all kinds and just about anything else the world can throw at him. I mean if there is one guy who can bring victory its Hawke, the only guy out there who might be better is the Warden.

[Blacklash93]

Orsino seemed like a very reasonlable (if very frusrated) person beforehand and it made no sense for him to break down like that.

Couldn't he have waited a little bit before going crazy? You know, actually take it out on the Templars instead of his allies?

[Emada]

First Enchanter Irving would never have resorted to blood magic. Just saying.
Orsino was flawed as a person. I never trusted him really, but since I was a mage, I backed him up.

[Hay Julay]

I think this situation could have been great if done differently. The line "If Meredith wants blood magic, then I'll give it to her!" or whatever, is great. It shows the tragedy of mages and how Meredith's acts have pushed them into a corner. What wasn't so great was that it came out of nowhere for no real reason.

The entire game Orsino seems like an intelligent, well respected mage who isn't afraid of standing up against Meredith. We needed something that could show us why he would resort to blood magic. Perhaps we could hear little rumors around Kirkwall about it. Something to make us go "Oh Shi-" and not "What the eff."

Another issue is the fact he just gives up. For no reason. He acts like it's all over and the Templars are winning. While I know I was kicking serious Templar butt. So maybe something could have happened to encourage that fear.

Finally, random Harvester is very random. I had completely forgotten one was suppose to be in DAII until it happened. Maybe we'll get an explanation about it, but at this point it doesn't make sense.

[Brockololly]

Ultimately I was a bit disappointed in how the Vaterral(?)/Strider thing from Witch Hunt and the Harvester were used in DA2. Having already seen them/known about them in the DLC made their appearance in DA2 kind of anticlimactic.

And yeah, Orsino's quick turn of character just sort of fit in with everyone turning into an extremist in the end because every conflict needed to end with combat. It would have been nice to have a Saren type talking down or a New Vegas style resolution where you could talk your way out of some situations.

[OmegaBlue0231]

Eyecandy, good day sir.

[Talon_Wu]

Demon Velsper wrote...

Seems to me they just went "Oh crap, we made that Golems of Amgarrak DLC didn't we, better put a Harvester in the game."

No mind it makes no -ing sense, just put it in there.

Harvesters were an attempt by dwarves to create a Golem out of flesh and now Orsino just turns into one out the blue? Epic writing there.

And the point of all those Harvesters escaping at the end of Amgarrak was...? Oh, never mind then.

This.

Also, like someone else said, I thought the idol would have a greater role, and that a harvester would run amok on the streets of Kirkwall. Apparently an entrance to the Deep Roads isn't very far away, after all. Instead, Orsino randomly changes into one, and the idol ends up in Meredith's hands. WHY? The ending felt like a rushed cliffhanger, personally I think another act was necessary to round things out. Oh well, there's always DLC - and DA3. <_<

[Zaros]

Brockololly wrote...

Ultimately I was a bit disappointed in how the Vaterral(?)/Strider thing from Witch Hunt and the Harvester were used in DA2. Having already seen them/known about them in the DLC made their appearance in DA2 kind of anticlimactic.

And yeah, Orsino's quick turn of character just sort of fit in with everyone turning into an extremist in the end because every conflict needed to end with combat. It would have been nice to have a Saren type talking down or a New Vegas style resolution where you could talk your way out of some situations.

The Varterral was also pretty dissapointing.

The Dalish elf you travel with in Witch Hunt (can't remember her name) made it out to be a big deal, and it seemed like it was, being ancient guardians of the elves that supposedly fell at Arlathan, but Marethaeni pretty much blew it off like it was no big deal. "Oh and theres this ancient creature remored to only be myth hanging around in the caves right next to us, watch out for it, bye bye."

Modifié par Zaros, 13 mars 2011 - 09:18 .

[ExiledMimic]

Pyrate_d wrote...

HURR DURR I'M GOING TO USE BLOOD MAGIC

why?

TO PROVIDE YOU WITH SOMETHING TO RIGHT CLICK ON, OF COURSE!

It's so bad that that's exactly how that fight feels in terms of story in the game.

[Ashaman65]

To be fair on the whole blood magic area I can see Orsino having a point.
These mages he personally felt responsible for are being slaughtered for being nothing more than having a talent that they where born with, he's seen those mages, students and friends under his care murdered because of some mad woman who's been given too much authority.

To me he clearly disapproved of blood magic but at the end when the circle was facing an entire army I can see his point in resorting to it, to finally going "Fine! You think I'm a blood mage, I'll show you a damn blood mage!"

But there where so many other better ways that could have played out, even if Orsino had to die.
Summoning demons then turning into an abomination, just getting pwned by a Templar during the battle, whatever.

But turning into a Harvester? That was stupid and it wasn't even that effective, my only guess is that he didn't really know what the spell would do and simply didn't care anymore being at the end of his tether.