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[elferin91]

Wasn't harvester created by dwarfs? it doesn't have any connection to mages, it was just a rushed endgame boss : /

[Blacklash93]

elferin91 wrote...

Wasn't harvester created by dwarfs? it doesn't have any connection to mages, it was just a rushed endgame boss : /

Basically.

There's no reason Orsino should have looked exactly like a dwarven harvester golem no matter what he did.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Vandicus]

The Harvester was created when Nereda, the Tevintir mage in Amgarrak, sealed a Fade spirit inside a construct made out of flesh and bone. We essentially see Orsino use blood magic from a mysterious "Quentin" to create a suit of flesh and bone and summon a Fade spirit to inhabit it. Plausible enough for me, after all, all that Harvesters in Golems looked the same, so therefore there is a standardized method for creating flesh and bone monstrosities. I suspect Quentin will play a greater part in the story of Thedas.

[RosaAquafire]

Orsino was using Quentin's research. He also helped Quentin with that research, if you read between the lines, and was very excited about Quentin's flesh construct.

Not that big a stretch that he was an evil SOB.

EDIT: that said, I agree the fight seemed shoehorned in and badly explained when you side with mages, and I wish a more tangible connection to Amgarrak had been drawn.

Modifié par RosaAquafire, 13 mars 2011 - 10:19 .

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

yeah honestly there could have been some explaining there, Bioware dropped the ball

[icMojo]

It would be different if DA2 were supposed to be an RPG, but it isn't -- It starts at the point where you are forced to interact with Templars (even though you or your sister are apostate) - Rather like bank robbers having to get all chummy with the police and then help them capture other bank robbers.

It simply escalates from there, periodically you can see some of the good stuff glimmering in the depths... I was sure that my sister or I were going to be arrested when we just wonder up to the captain of the templars with this huge "I AM A MAGE" stick on our backs. Nope, "Hey, thanks for the help and how'd you kill all those guys with ice?" Seems that using magic in front of them doesn't make them suspicious.

So by the time the First Enchanter boss fight (cause it wasn't anything else but some semi-uber-boss fight to get you warmed up for the next uber-boss), I wasn't even pretending to be playing an RPG anymore.

I mean, there was no role to play.

[Arrtis]

This game is quite disappointing.
Not buying another game from these guys til I watch the gameplay and story myself/read the boards after the game comes out.
Not satisfied with the game.Definitely rushed with only making money in mind.
Cya Bioware.
Maybe next time.
If Your still in the money making mood I suppose Il be back on these forums in less than 2 years.

[Annarl]

It was a stupid reason for a boss fight. Turning into a Harvester? come on.

[Dave of Canada]

No reason he should've looked like the Harvester at all, honestly. Maybe seeing a Harvester in the Deep Roads would've fit with the whole thing but just having Orsino turn into one was insane and made no sense at all, it was more confusing when you're siding with the mages and he does it.

[Amainville]

To be honest, I was surprised to see it, and I certainly didn't expect to not have Templars in the fight, or expect that he would attack me, but I can understand why. He tried using this (only this once, I'd hope, for it to make any sense) and hoped it would work. Unfortunately for all involved, it didn't work and he ended up turning into something that would just kill anything in its way (the party in this case), who summarily slew him.

[IEK07]

Definitely a total disappointment, here i am defending the mages and he uses blood magic apparently only so he can attack me :| c'mon guys!

[Jugo666]

mao16 wrote...

I posted this before but...
This is my take on Orsino.

He knows how to use blood magic but has never actually practiced it (he IS a first enchanter after all). So now that he's most likely about to watch the last of his mages die he gives in and tries to use blood magic to survive/ save the remaining mages etc. The only problem is he's a tad bit overconfident (he is the first enchanter/ a pretty capable mage) and he's never practiced blood magic before. So he tries to cast an advance blood magic spell and it backfires/ blows up in his face and turns him into a Harvester?

I think they were trying to make his character even more tragic.

Thats just the impresion I got when I played throught it. He never intended to actualy turn into that thing.

[hawkens982]

Come on guys. Clearly Orsino was the MALE harvester. We killed the female one in the DLC and now the male one just wants revenge. How else would there be so many itsy-bitsy harvesters running around? After the female died he didnt have anything better to do and had to start **** to get a semblance of purpose.

[Zaros]

Jugo666 wrote...

mao16 wrote...

I posted this before but...
This is my take on Orsino.

He knows how to use blood magic but has never actually practiced it (he IS a first enchanter after all). So now that he's most likely about to watch the last of his mages die he gives in and tries to use blood magic to survive/ save the remaining mages etc. The only problem is he's a tad bit overconfident (he is the first enchanter/ a pretty capable mage) and he's never practiced blood magic before. So he tries to cast an advance blood magic spell and it backfires/ blows up in his face and turns him into a Harvester?

I think they were trying to make his character even more tragic.

Thats just the impresion I got when I played throught it. He never intended to actualy turn into that thing.

It wasn't the fact that he accidently turned into the Harvester, but the fact that he was able to become a Harvester at all.

Golems of Amgarrak did a pretty good job of establishing the Harvesters as thier own species, and now all of the sudden mages can turn into them at will? And before you argue that he may be a shapeshifter, the Harvesters were locked away in an ancient thaig that was undiscovered up until the point that my Warden entered, and were there any that escaped into the wild between that time and whenever Hawke was in Lothering, I get the feeling that it would be pretty big news, big enough to warrant a mass hunt to erase them off the surface of Thedas. Hell, even if they couldn't, what man would be able to get close enough to actually study their form in the first place?

[UNOSHI]

yes i agree. after the stunt of ANDERS>... mother peep peeep pepepepeep. i thought of sidding with the templers. but seeing my sister in the circle i couldnt and also ofc since i had romance with Isabella:wub:<3(my second romance char since Morrigan also:wub:<3) so i sidded with the mages.. yes Orsino yes we have hope. Hawke talk to your people when ready. oh just inbetween althose dialoge he had bout merredith and free mages and this and that all comes to this.... oke so when he said i had enough or so i thougt we storm out and take the fight to merredith. but nooo he randomly pulss a damn daggger slit hes wrist and i thought great now the basterd gone go blood mage on my ass really. of all those times he diceded to to it now. but nooo he go's even worst a bloody harverster. i thought in the dlc it was  mages/dwarf who stiched things to getter and it became harverster but when corropted not like it would be a pet r so. now im thinking what was the bloody point of all this.... and i thought after this we would fight the blight since the wardens that showed up at the qunari fight saying got important bussines else where maybe nother blight blaablaa came up. and why wasnt the arhitec dead... i killed em... somuch for loading previously saved games....

and how the helll does random rally bodies to ur own can have that affect..? aargh grr aargh

Modifié par UNOSHI, 13 mars 2011 - 11:44 .

[Gavinthelocust]

Because the trailer said they'd be in the game and they needed to put it in somehow.

[Snake321]

Gah, yes. I thought it ruined the ending a bit, all this time the enchanter had been saying not all blood mages are the same, he seemed like a cool and collected individual. He was acting as if the templar's had won, but we just beat off their wave. He even said there was hope and bloody hell you have the hero of Kirkwall on your side. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere he transforms into a harvester, oh and its not attacking templars its attacking you.
It was seriously WTF :/ I liked the game mostly but that really kicks you in the gut.

[Greetz_DK]

mrsph wrote...

It looked like Orsino couldn't handle it anymore and just cracked.

It looked like he was in need of...  an extra set of hands. yhhhaaaAAAAAAAA

Modifié par Greetz_DK, 14 mars 2011 - 12:35 .

[Arrtis]

Playing as a mage siding with templars made both fights make sense.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Zaros wrote...

After Golems of Amgarrak, I was expecting some lead up to some global catastrophe as hundreds of little Harvesters covered Thedas and people found there was a new threat to the world besides darkspawn and mages.

Instead I got Orsino transforming into a Harvester completely at random, for no particular reason, and then trying to kill me.

First off, how can you explain this? In Amgarrak it seemed like the Harvesters were really thier own unique species, possibly created by a mage by accident, or maybe locked away and released after sensing the presence of a flesh golem (that part was kind of ambiguous). Suddenly the Harvester has just become some sort of transformation spell that you can put together using a couple of bodies?

Wow, I wonder if there's any correllation to the "possibly created by a mage by accident" theory!

Considering that Orsino turns even on his own allies in this form, I'd say it's a little closer to an abomination than a simple transformation.

...Orsino becoming a Harvester doesn't change or affect anything about the Harvester in Amgarrak beyond confirming a connection to blood magic. Don't read too much into it.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 14 mars 2011 - 04:19 .

[Icy Magebane]

OP, I feel your pain, and that post was hilarious. Pretty much exactly what I was thinking when it happened. That entire scene made no sense at all.

[DrunkDave89]

I have not played any of the DA:O DLC. Anyone mind clarifying what a harvester is? I don't believe that DA:2's fight with Orsino even labeled it as such (not saying that it isn't one, obviously, it presumably looks the same). But since I wasn't given any sort of prompting, I just figured it was some sort of special demon related to blood magic, although it did bear a resemblance to the darkspawn broodmother.


Edit:  I did not read closely enough, and my question has already been answered.  So now the whole thing makes less sense.  if he MUST turn bonkers and transform into something, why not some sort of demon, or even something new?

Modifié par DrunkDave89, 14 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[NinjaRogue]

So, did we ever find the mage that helped create the first Harvester?