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[Riloux]

-Reusing the same four maps 500 times.
-Setting the whole game in one city.
-Enemies have a ton of HP and come in waves so the game feels longer.
-Frame narrative to avoid being too descriptive about what happens between large periods of time.
-Half as much dialogue, more passive interaction.
-Millions of stupid side quests that have nothing to do with anything.
-Dull environment bereft of life and matter.
-Inability to customize companions allowed you to skip designing different armor models.
-Collecting hundreds of-- literally, junk items-- to create the illusion of immersion and depth.
-Poor character development, so you hardly care about your companions by the end of the game. 
-Lack of any substantial choices that have lasting effects.
-Contrived ending, that tells you nothing, and leaves a huge gap for sub-par DLC
-Generic UI showing a lack of creativitiy and effort.

You lose! Good day, serrah. 

This game is a far greater source of embarassment for your company than it is a disappointment for us.

Modifié par Riloux, 13 mars 2011 - 10:55 .

[Dystopian Dream]

I agree completely but it seems some 12 year olds on here disagree with you and spam threads with pictures of dogs

[toggled]

Brenus wrote...

You pretty much summed up every criticism that people have about this game, yet no, Bioware refuse to comment or acknowledge them, and the herp derp blind sheep that follow the game keep on saying that no valid criticisms are being raised as to why this game is bad.

Both bioware and their newfound fans have gone completely blind and senseless to video game quality.  

Bioware has commented on the criticism - see the Eurogamer interview:

http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview

Mr. Laidlaw circles the wagons and claims that anyone who doesn't like Dragon Age 2 simply hates change. He also justifies recycling areas with the 'less is more' argument.

[flushfire]

Riloux wrote...

-Reusing the same four maps 500 times.

How could you?! They risked content and they did it artfully! Why, so artfully in fact that it is difficult to recognize the same areas! And do you not think that spotting what is the difference between reused areas is a game in itself?

Would you rather have a 10 hour shorter game or reused maps? Silly 4channer/PC elitist.

[Emerald Melios]

This whole forum is a trainwreck, between the wangsting elitists and image spammers.

Now, I'm sure Bioware knew they had a limited time frame to develop DA2. They probably weren't trying to make an "OMGepic masterpiece" like DA:O or BG2; they wanted to make a decent game with the resources they had. I think people should just appreciate what they have get rid of this entitlement complex.

[ExtinctRPG]

Already posted this in another thread but what the heck:

ExtinctRPG wrote...

BioWare deserves to be trashed.

You know the biggest way I can criticize DA 2 is by copping to the fact that although I'm still going through Act 1, I really don't even feel like playing it anymore. When Origins came out I was obsessed with it. I played Origins exclusively for months with different playthroughs and experimenting with different builds. I even stopped my WoW subscription which is very rare for another game to pull me away like that.

In DA 2 so much stuff has been dumbed down and streamlined that I have no emotional connection to the characters, the plot or anything in the game for that matter so I could not care any less what happens to Hawke. Combined with the fact I've been feeling huffy about the cheesy/contrived AI tactics I'm not even going to bother finishing it.

Modifié par ExtinctRPG, 14 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[BeljoraDien]

Perfect, OP, perfect.

[Zanderat]

Riloux wrote...

-Reusing the same four maps 500 times.
-The whole game takes place in one city.
-Enemies have tons of HP and come in waves so the game feels longer.
-Frame narrative to avoid being too descriptive about what happens between large periods of time.
-Half as much dialogue, more passive interaction.
-Millions of stupid side quests that have nothing to do with anything.
-Dull environment bereft of life and matter.
-Inability to customize companions allows you to skip designing different armor models.
-Collecting hundreds of-- literally, junk items-- to create the illusion of immersion and depth.
-Poor character development, so you hardly care about your companions by the end of the game. 
-Lack of any substantial choices that have lasting effects.
-Contrived ending, that tells you nothing, and leaves a huge gap for sub-par DLC

You lose! Good day, serrah. 

All true.  Pathetic.

[AJRimmsey]

Emerald Melios wrote...

This whole forum is a trainwreck, between the wangsting elitists and image spammers.

Now, I'm sure Bioware knew they had a limited time frame to develop DA2. They probably weren't trying to make an "OMGepic masterpiece" like DA:O or BG2; they wanted to make a decent game with the resources they had. I think people should just appreciate what they have get rid of this entitlement complex.

if you read a bit more than the hate threads you`ll see bioware had little to do with the end result sold at stores,and as for entitlment complex,well thats just a natural reaction to people taking money for a product.

you see when people earn thier money they tend to put value on it,and where it goes,and when someone picks thier pocket by any means,even if its just by mislabeling a game,they get angry.

sorry but thats just the real world we live in when we leave our parents safe zone behind and venture out into the world.


ps..thanks to the OP for listing the problems,now if everyone can link this thread when those claiming theres no problem,we can stop the argueing,as its pretty hard to hold a point when a list like thats in plain sight.

Modifié par AJRimmsey, 13 mars 2011 - 07:37 .

[Rixxencaxx]

totally agree except for side quests that in my opionion are fare better than origins when you just picked a note telling to kill/catch 10 of something

[D3spairFacTor]

toggled wrote...

Brenus wrote...

You pretty much summed up every criticism that people have about this game, yet no, Bioware refuse to comment or acknowledge them, and the herp derp blind sheep that follow the game keep on saying that no valid criticisms are being raised as to why this game is bad.

Both bioware and their newfound fans have gone completely blind and senseless to video game quality.  

Bioware has commented on the criticism - see the Eurogamer interview:

http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview

Mr. Laidlaw circles the wagons and claims that anyone who doesn't like Dragon Age 2 simply hates change. He also justifies recycling areas with the 'less is more' argument.

This Laidlaw guys responses are bull****, the whole time Im thinking, look man, instead of talking about how its okay that changes were made and that it was in their best interest, how about what the consumers want? Were the ones paying for it....

[Emerald Melios]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

This whole forum is a trainwreck, between the wangsting elitists and image spammers.

Now, I'm sure Bioware knew they had a limited time frame to develop DA2. They probably weren't trying to make an "OMGepic masterpiece" like DA:O or BG2; they wanted to make a decent game with the resources they had. I think people should just appreciate what they have get rid of this entitlement complex.

if you read a bit more than the hate threads you`ll see bioware had little to do with the end result sold at stores,and as for entitlment complex,well thats just a natural reaction to people taking money for a product.

you see when people earn thier money they tend to put value on it,and where it goes,and when someone picks thier pocket by any means,even if its just by mislabeling a game,they get angry.

sorry but thats just the real world we live in when we leave our parents safe zone behind and venture out into the world.


ps..thanks to the OP for listing the problems,now if everyone can link this thread when those claiming theres no problem,we can stop the argueing,as its pretty hard to hold a point when a list like thats in plain sight.

No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

[GregoriusMaximus]

OP is right; did these people seriously think we were going to buy a load of marketing BS about "streamlining"? How about we "streamline" the amount we pay for these "streamlined" games? What's that EA? The thought horrifies you? Thought as much...

[Brenus]

toggled wrote...

Brenus wrote...

You pretty much summed up every criticism that people have about this game, yet no, Bioware refuse to comment or acknowledge them, and the herp derp blind sheep that follow the game keep on saying that no valid criticisms are being raised as to why this game is bad.

Both bioware and their newfound fans have gone completely blind and senseless to video game quality.  

Bioware has commented on the criticism - see the Eurogamer interview:

http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview

Mr. Laidlaw circles the wagons and claims that anyone who doesn't like Dragon Age 2 simply hates change. He also justifies recycling areas with the 'less is more' argument.

Yes I've seen that. He has pretty much ignored 80% of the major criticizms raised and only addressed a couple of minor ones.

And I dont think I can state my comment on what I think about Laidlaw without getting banned.

[AJRimmsey]

Emerald Melios wrote...

No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

given ?

now your just taking the urine 

[Brenus]

Emerald Melios wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

This whole forum is a trainwreck, between the wangsting elitists and image spammers.

Now, I'm sure Bioware knew they had a limited time frame to develop DA2. They probably weren't trying to make an "OMGepic masterpiece" like DA:O or BG2; they wanted to make a decent game with the resources they had. I think people should just appreciate what they have get rid of this entitlement complex.

if you read a bit more than the hate threads you`ll see bioware had little to do with the end result sold at stores,and as for entitlment complex,well thats just a natural reaction to people taking money for a product.

you see when people earn thier money they tend to put value on it,and where it goes,and when someone picks thier pocket by any means,even if its just by mislabeling a game,they get angry.

sorry but thats just the real world we live in when we leave our parents safe zone behind and venture out into the world.


ps..thanks to the OP for listing the problems,now if everyone can link this thread when those claiming theres no problem,we can stop the argueing,as its pretty hard to hold a point when a list like thats in plain sight.

No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

If you *SELL* something bad to any consumer they have every right to complain. If I *GAVE* you some dog turd in a brown paper bag, I'm pretty sure that you would complain.

Modifié par Brenus, 13 mars 2011 - 07:46 .

[Emerald Melios]

D3spairFacTor wrote...

This Laidlaw guys responses are bull****, the whole time Im thinking, look man, instead of talking about how its okay that changes were made and that it was in their best interest, how about what the  want? Were the ones paying for it....

Consumers don't know what they want.

[jnewcomer536]

Eurogamer: Is Dragon Age II better on PC?

Mike Laidlaw: I wouldn't say so. We actually did extensive work to make sure the experiences were much closer aligned. I would say the gulf between the two was quite significant in Origins, simply because the consoles were tackled second as opposed to concurrently with the PC.

Stop designing **** for consoles Bioware. Stick to what made you a great developer. Depth, RPG elements and story. Not flashy combat and recycled areas.

[AJRimmsey]

Brenus wrote...


If you *SELL* something bad to any consumer they have every right to complain. If I *GAVE* you some dog turd in a brown paper bag, I'm pretty sure that you would complain.

personally i think it should go farther.

they should have the right to reclaim every cost it took to aquire the product,from the games cost right down to the fuel and time it took to order or drive to buy it.
and payable at point of sale instantly with no quibbles.[and no a quibble is not a gay tribble].

once we had a standard of zero tolerance for thievery,this sort of debacle would stop.

[Alex109222]

Laidlaws comments are the biggest load of Bull**** to even be called an excuse for laziness I have ever seen, "simply hate change" what a load if bull****, these changes were terrible and you just ignored all of the critisism towards it. And "less us more"? Do yourself a favour Laidlaw. Honestly no wonder DA2 turned out the way it did...

[bluecapsule6]

You forgot about the terrible, terrible party AI.

[flushfire]

Emerald Melios wrote...
No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

I certainly would not complain if they gave me the game.

[bigrussmooney]

Emerald Melios wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

This whole forum is a trainwreck, between the wangsting elitists and image spammers.

Now, I'm sure Bioware knew they had a limited time frame to develop DA2. They probably weren't trying to make an "OMGepic masterpiece" like DA:O or BG2; they wanted to make a decent game with the resources they had. I think people should just appreciate what they have get rid of this entitlement complex.

if you read a bit more than the hate threads you`ll see bioware had little to do with the end result sold at stores,and as for entitlment complex,well thats just a natural reaction to people taking money for a product.

you see when people earn thier money they tend to put value on it,and where it goes,and when someone picks thier pocket by any means,even if its just by mislabeling a game,they get angry.

sorry but thats just the real world we live in when we leave our parents safe zone behind and venture out into the world.


ps..thanks to the OP for listing the problems,now if everyone can link this thread when those claiming theres no problem,we can stop the argueing,as its pretty hard to hold a point when a list like thats in plain sight.

No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

What were we given? Did you get a free copy of this game? I did not. I paid 60 bucks plus tax. I don't remember them ever GIVING me anything.

[Tamcia]

Sadly a lot of truth. I never got the turn in quests - how did he know to take a specific item and give to specific person somewhere while even the person receiving it was surprised. HOW!?

Modifié par Tamcia, 13 mars 2011 - 07:53 .

[Ilkholdens]

Emerald Melios wrote...

No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

While I do think DA2 is a decent game, it's a bit hard to go into full "appreciation of what you're given" mode, when I paid the same amount of coin for DA2 as I did for DA:O, yet here I see a notable amount of cut corners. Let's say Bioware/EA had charged 25-30% less than they did for DA:O right off the bat and I assure you, I'd be brimming with "appretiation of what I was given".

Modifié par Ilkholdens, 13 mars 2011 - 07:55 .