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[Zelnaga]

Everything the OP said is true. Need to add that the ladies in DA2 are fugly!

Aside from that I actually enjoying the game.

Is it better than DA:O? Hell no. One would say this is a major disappointment, compared to Origins.

[AtreiyaN7]

Riloux wrote...

-Reusing the same four maps 500 times.
-The whole game takes place in one city.
-Enemies have tons of HP and come in waves so the game feels longer.
-Frame narrative to avoid being too descriptive about what happens between large periods of time.
-Half as much dialogue, more passive interaction.
-Millions of stupid side quests that have nothing to do with anything.
-Dull environment bereft of life and matter.
-Inability to customize companions allows you to skip designing different armor models.
-Collecting hundreds of-- literally, junk items-- to create the illusion of immersion and depth.
-Poor character development, so you hardly care about your companions by the end of the game. 
-Lack of any substantial choices that have lasting effects.
-Contrived ending, that tells you nothing, and leaves a huge gap for sub-par DLC
-Generic UI showing a lack of creativitiy and effort.

You lose! Good day, serrah. 

This game is a far greater source of embarassment for your company than it is a disappointment for us.

Hyperbole much? The criticism about the recycled environments is valid, but I wouldn't call the environments dull or bereft of life. The fact that it took place largely in one city doesn't seem like a negative, given that Athkatla functioned similarly in BG2. As for the character development, I disagree. I was very attached to a number of my companions.

Regarding the issue of choices, I found that some things I did eventually came to bit me in the butt later on. I certainly wouldn't call the ending contrived either now that I've finally finished the game. As for the UI, I like the minimalist design (largely because I work in InDesign and appreciate a clean layout). Interaction with companions was good at their home bases, but conversing while in the field would have been better.There were certainly too many FedEx quests, but I suppose I'm not surprised by the nature of your post, given your hatred of the game.

[darklordpocky-san]

well, you guys got what you paid for.

crap

and I rented that crap, but if I did buy it, I'd be even more pissed off than I am now.

[salabon]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...


Hyperbole much? The criticism about the recycled environments is valid, but I wouldn't call the environments dull or bereft of life. The fact that it took place largely in one city doesn't seem like a negative, given that Athkatla functioned similarly in BG2. As for the character development, I disagree. I was very attached to a number of my companions.

Regarding the issue of choices, I found that some things I did eventually came to bit me in the butt later on. I certainly wouldn't call the ending contrived either now that I've finally finished the game. As for the UI, I like the minimalist design (largely because I work in InDesign and appreciate a clean layout). Interaction with companions was good at their home bases, but conversing while in the field would have been better.There were certainly too many FedEx quests, but I suppose I'm not surprised by the nature of your post, given your hatred of the game.

Except the fact that Athkatla had so many different enviroments that lived in it.

Circus illusion
Twisted Rune hideout
Sewers that had different cult hideouts
The theater
Crypts and tombs
Secret rooms that had Liches where I would die instantly
etc...

That's just Athkatla and not to mention the many other towns and forts scattered around and ofc the Underdark which was its own enviroment.

Now I don't hate Dragon Age II, but I was expecting a lot more really. A lot of depth was stripped away sadly. The game has its satisfying moments, but it's not up to par with what I'm accustomed to from previous Bioware installments.

Modifié par salabon, 13 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[Drakxii]

Emerald Melios wrote...

This whole forum is a trainwreck, between the wangsting elitists and image spammers.

Now, I'm sure Bioware knew they had a limited time frame to develop DA2. They probably weren't trying to make an "OMGepic masterpiece" like DA:O or BG2; they wanted to make a decent game with the resources they had. I think people should just appreciate what they have get rid of this entitlement complex.

No it's just logic.  I payed $50(or 60 forget) for DA:O  and got an epic RPG that was nearly a masterpiece with a toolset.  Now EA and Bioware come out with this short action rpg that was mad in a rush and on short budget with no toolset and expect me to pay the same...  yeah I am totally going to complain.

[Sidney]

salabon wrote...

Circus illusion
Twisted Rune hideout
Sewers that had different cult hideouts
The theater
Crypts and tombs

Sewers check, dream world/fade, check, hideouts check. Really something like Athkala's slums was what one arcing street? Kirkwall reminds me of Athkala because Bioware really built it in a very similar way. Athkala was the prototype for their "you never see the city just chopped up little bits" that they've used ever since. The only thing they've done that was contiguous since then was the Imperial City in Jade Empire where you could walk from one area to another.

[Mister Swamp]

Riloux wrote...

-Reusing the same four maps 500 times.
-Setting the whole game in one city.
-Enemies have a ton of HP and come in waves so the game feels longer.
-Frame narrative to avoid being too descriptive about what happens between large periods of time.
-Half as much dialogue, more passive interaction.
-Millions of stupid side quests that have nothing to do with anything.
-Dull environment bereft of life and matter.
-Inability to customize companions allowed you to skip designing different armor models.
-Collecting hundreds of-- literally, junk items-- to create the illusion of immersion and depth.
-Poor character development, so you hardly care about your companions by the end of the game. 
-Lack of any substantial choices that have lasting effects.
-Contrived ending, that tells you nothing, and leaves a huge gap for sub-par DLC
-Generic UI showing a lack of creativitiy and effort.

You lose! Good day, serrah. 

This game is a far greater source of embarassment for your company than it is a disappointment for us.

Agreed, one hundred percent. 

[OmegaBlue0231]

Suron wrote...

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

Maderas_ wrote...

I'm sick to death of seeing whiny console users play the persecution card and throw around the phrase "PC elitist". Fact of the matter is, games that are designed with the console in mind are dumbed down compared to games designed for the PC. All you have to do is play DA2 for five minutes and then compare it to Origins to see this. The ability to customize companion armor is gone, making half the DLC items they intend to sell us completely worthless. The isometric camera is gone, making it a huge pain in the ass to try to aim AoE abilities unless the enemy is standing right on top of you. The playable area is tiny, even in comparison to Origins; which wasn't overly large to begin with. Meaningful dialogue choices are replaced with the Mass Effect Wheel-Of-Faux-Choice, where nearly every selection leads to the exact same outcome. Hell, the entire game in general reeks of fake choices. They weren't kidding when they used the "Witness the rise to power" tagline, because witnessing it is about all we do. The only real choice in the game boils down to which faction you choose to support in the endgame, and even that is so hackneyed that it's pathetic. So please, spare us your console whinging.

Just because you all want live in a bubble and delude yourselves into believing your budget mini-PC using 4-5 year old hardware, where 20 FPS in combat is considered "acceptable", is somehow comparable to a dedicated gaming platform does not mean the rest of us want to have to sift through it in every argument. Consoles being crappy was no excuse to neuter DA2, and you all know this. You know consoles are crappy compared to a well built PC, so just stop trying. It's sad. It's why you all become so rabid and start attacking PC users over "elitism" at the drop of a hat. Jealousy.

Wow! That was suppose to make me think there is no PC Elitism? It work so well, in that mean spirited rant you opened my eyes and showed me how wonderful PC gamers are. Thank you my friend, you're an angel

ironic thing is it's no worse then the rants console defenders go on towards PC "elitists"

True enough. Personally I don't see the PC Elitist thing, (my comment was more direct at his tone than the debate over PC Elitisim) I see it more as a group of people who don't like the game and are being vocal as opposed to one gaming platform against the others.

[Monica83]

Well the game isn't great and isn't also good its simply mediocre full of dumbed down feature most of them cause the mass effectivization.... The game is boring don't have an athmosphere all is so flat and empty... The nemmenys fall from the sky... Character makes ridicolus moves.. The dialog system is full of lack of immersion and manytimes the paraphrase is total different from what you mean.. There are not immersion on the game... All is too schematic too easy.... Since mike ladiaw if you think we hate the game just because we are afraid to change.... Accept my suggestion give the dimission and make work someone with more talent.....

End of line

[Myounage]

lol the game is so bad. 3/10 easily. Especially the huge enemy hp and waves, that's the lamest part IMO.

[Mustang678]

Valid complaints, but I think a lot of people are going way too far with it. It certainly wasn't a perfect game to me but I'm not going to condemn Bioware as a terrible company because they didn't make DA2 exactly the way I wanted
All in all: http://tvtropes.org/...leasableFanbase

Modifié par Mustang678, 13 mars 2011 - 11:32 .

[Mastermadskills]

The only reason I liked this game was for Merrill and some cool action.

That is it...

In Mass Effect 2, I loved EVERYTHING.

[enrogae]

Mustang678 wrote...

Valid complaints, but I think a lot of people are going way too far with it. It certainly wasn't a perfect game to me but I'm not going to condemn Bioware as a terrible company because they didn't make DA2 exactly the way I wanted
All in all: http://tvtropes.org/...leasableFanbase

I think it's quite interesting... the quote at the beginning of your link.  It's highly applicable in this situation, and I wish Laidlaw and Bioware would have read it 200 times before they made this game.


"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
—Bill Cosby


The first game was, in my humble opinion, a visionary progression of a gaming style many of us have been fond of for decades.  It wasn't devoid of flaws, but it did and sold incredibly well.  Then, they decided to try to appeal to a "wider audience".  We are witnessing the inevitable result.  I only hope that Bioware/EA are noticing this as well... but I kind of doubt it.

Modifié par enrogae, 13 mars 2011 - 11:52 .

[BiowarEA]

Agree with OP! Also:

Earlier, at Bioware HQ...

Biodev 1: "Hey, HR says our 3D artist passed out from too much booze and cocaine."
Biodev 2: "Oh crap, we still need him to make a bunch of generic NPC models. What are we going to do?"
Biodev 1: "**** it, just export some of the unused Neverwinter Nights models and have an intern play with them in 3DStudio for a few hours. Our fans are idiots, they'll never notice."
Biodev 2: "Brilliant!"


 

[Marionettetc]

I'm a turn based strategy game snob, and combat in DA2 is much more exciting than Dragon Age 1. I've never faced in 1, I have more than a few in this game.

*I'm satisfied with the re-balancing of the skills and partitioning of the attributes to spread out their application.

*I'm satisfied with the restrictions on healing, and cost of healing potions/cool down timers.

*I'm satisfied that mages don't dominate any battle with a flick of the wrist anymore.

*I'm satisfied that I don't have to put highly functional - yet stupid looking armor on my companions anymore, upgradeable outfits are fine and lend more to the companion aspect than slave-follower.

*I'm satisfied with the story, it's much more engaging. I didn't care about a single NPC in Origins, despite having 200+ hours in the game across 8 characters. I've gotten upset about a few things concerning Anders and the Templars, I was sad in the *All that remains quest*, and the Rock Wraith incited Adrenaline.

**I'm dissatisfied with the re-used "random" encounter maps that have a door blocked or passageway closed.

**I'm dissatisfied with the fed-ex'ing

**I'm dissatisfied with the inability to choose your own race

**I'm dissatisfied with the inability to find a Qunari companion.

Overall, I like the game. I will admit it's not as deep as Origins, but I think it's much more exciting and the best aspects from Origins and 2 will be used in Dragon age 3.

[Daddy555]

bioware are working on mass effect 3 im pretty sure they have most there resourses focused on that ...did any of you really expect dragon age to be anything amazing ? to make dragon age great would have meant they would have had to compromise mass effect which is the most important ip without a dout ... just think of dragon age as a starter and mass effect is the main course with star wars old republic been the desert .

[dam0dred]

I am enjoying the game but it's hard to argue with anything you've said here OP. Very sad.

[Stringy Pete]

agree with OP.
too few improvements and too many flaws... unredeemable atm

[Lurid Jester]

Emerald Melios wrote...


No, gamers have way too much of an entitlement complex. They can't even be happy with what they are given.

What they are given?

That has got to be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said.  Did Bioware or EA just go around giving people copies of DA2 for free?  They didn't GIVE anyone ANYTHING.  They sold a product.  A product which isn't living up to expectations resulting in consumers being disappointed and upset with their purchase.

OH wait... you seem to have forgotten that gamers are also consumers.  

So please take that "be happy with what you were given" crap and put it where it belongs.  

[Jean de Valette]

Emerald Melios wrote...

I should've known this forum would be filled with oldschool gamers who can't cope with modern gaming.

Press a button for the awesome!

Yes modern gaming has come a long way.

[Malice_Unarmed]

Riloux wrote...
-Lack of any substantial choices that have lasting effects.

Is my biggest let down. They said they are telling a story that spans 10 years so all the choices you make in each act you will be able to see all of them take effect... Where are these "big" choices? DA1 had awesome cause and effect of your choices, DA2 none of your choices make much difference. I liked the game but it lacked a lot in many areas.

[Persephone]

Oh the irony of it all. I remember the good old days when the same accusations and biatch fests were held when DAO, ME2 and Neverwinter Nights had just come out. Now these games are classics. Strange, huh? But people obviously CARE enough to post in a billion hate/trolling threads. Bioware cannot win, it's always like this around release dates. Don't you have ANYTHING better to do? 

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

Seriously, the only thing that would have made it better would the existence of a sarcastic Pride Demon saying "I want my Reward NOW!" whenever Hawke gets into a fight in the fade.

[Myounage]

Daddy555 wrote...

bioware are working on mass effect 3 im pretty sure they have most there resourses focused on that ...did any of you really expect dragon age to be anything amazing ? to make dragon age great would have meant they would have had to compromise mass effect which is the most important ip without a dout ... just think of dragon age as a starter and mass effect is the main course with star wars old republic been the desert .

False and uninformed. DA:O is the single bestselling Bioware game of all time. No other game, not even ME 2 has sold more copies. For them to cut corners on Dragon Age to make Mass Effect better is bad business sense.