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[back pain]

This data is useless, The community members that liked the game are still playing it and not posting on these forms.

[Shadowcran]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Your test group is too small.

I agree. A small sampling like that sounds like a MSNBC poll. "We polled 300 people in San Francisco and discovered 85% of them think Nancy Pelosi is god and have pictures of her walking on water".  First, it's her home district, second she's a liberal as are most people in SF, and third, it's too small a sample.

How does that compare to this poll? Well, most people who love/like the game have left and are waiting for the malcontents to shut up. It's a fact, after a week of ****ing, the malcontents simply melt away and go complain about another game. The ones that DO like it come back and start REALLY discussing the merits/shortfalls of the game in a more scientific manner. The ones who have a brain and don't like the game will  have constructive criticism and post ways to make the game better instead of just "Waaah! I hate it!!! I'm buying a gun!! Bioware hates me personally!! They did this just to ****** ME personally off". The ones that do will accept the better explained shortfalls, but laud the merits of the game as the factor of cancelling out the bad. You'll have more intelligent conversations then instead of erupting flame wars.

Still, good job on your analysis even though it was too small a sample. I wish I still liked statistics like you do...it used to be a passion for me.

[Sad Dragon]

Should also be noted that all the polls where created on the 10th of March. This means that for Dragon Age 2 it would be giving only the first impressions -- and for Dragon Age Origins that the poll might be colored quite a bit by their current oppinion of Dragon Age 2 rather then Dragon Age Origins as a whole. Had the Dragon Age Origins poll been created 2 days after the games release then it would have been a more interesting.

Something more to think about when viewing the data.

/Sad Dragon

[Dermain]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Your test group is too small.

That would be the downside to surveys, non-response bias does tend to skew the results, but it doesn't stop you from actually making some predictions. Further testing is required!

AlanC9 wrote...

Not to mention that he's getting response
bias on top of response bias. Asking people for their opinions this way
will never get you anything worthwhile.

There is actually nothing wrong with the way he went about the survey. He could have added a "No opinion" option, but that hardly gets him anywhere. Asking for people's opinions ives results quicker than reading hundreds of peoples responses and then trying to translate that into actual data.

If anything the only problem would be the pre-existing bias of the people who took the survey, but that's a problem with pretty much any survey.

Modifié par Myrkale, 14 mars 2011 - 08:03 .

[Gatt9]

Just gotta point out a couple misconceptions here...

Godeshus wrote...

There are some flaws in your stats that I believe makes them quite unreliable.

1. 400 some odd people hardly represents the millions of gamers who bought this. You're only polling one demographic- bioware forumites.

Along with someone else's statement about ME2 outselling DAO...

ME: 2 million units sold.
ME2: 1.6 -2.5 million units sold depending on which site you trust.
DAO: 3.2 million units sold.

So first,  the claim that "Millions of gamers who bought this" is very unlikely at this stage.  It took the whole sales cycles of ME and ME2 to hit 2 million (Maybe 2 million in ME2's case).  It's very likely we're talking hundreds of thousands at best.

ME2 didn't outsell DAO,  it was the other way around,  which is what makes this whole shift all the more confusing.  Only thing I can think of is that EA thought that ME2 would outsell it initially and later on found out differently.

[Godeshus]

Gatt9 wrote...

Just gotta point out a couple misconceptions here...

Godeshus wrote...

There are some flaws in your stats that I believe makes them quite unreliable.

1. 400 some odd people hardly represents the millions of gamers who bought this. You're only polling one demographic- bioware forumites.

Along with someone else's statement about ME2 outselling DAO...

ME: 2 million units sold.
ME2: 1.6 -2.5 million units sold depending on which site you trust.
DAO: 3.2 million units sold.

So first,  the claim that "Millions of gamers who bought this" is very unlikely at this stage.  It took the whole sales cycles of ME and ME2 to hit 2 million (Maybe 2 million in ME2's case).  It's very likely we're talking hundreds of thousands at best.

ME2 didn't outsell DAO,  it was the other way around,  which is what makes this whole shift all the more confusing.  Only thing I can think of is that EA thought that ME2 would outsell it initially and later on found out differently.

I stand corrected, then. hundreds of thousands. That has no effect on my point, though. It's still way too small a population polled from much too specific a demographic to be able to represent the entirety.

[SmokePants]

Community forums always have a disproportionate representation of complaints relative to the people playing the games as a whole. There were talks at GDC about this very phenomenon. The take-away? The most vocal critics on a company's forums spend the most money and will continue to spend money, despite their apparent hostility toward the games. It's really very ironic and funny.

[LanatirDragon]

@OP: Good Job, this seems to represent the Forums pretty well, as well as the oppinions here. Being a DA:O lover myself that isnt too impressed with DA2 i hope that the right people take a look at it and at least consider that you might be up to something there.

[WidowMaker9394]

I like both games even though I believe DA2 is slightly better. I must be an abomination.

[RagingAvatar]

Thanks for posting this - it's.. interesting results!

Personally, I love DAII but I've read the complaints from DA:O fans and I sympathise.

Looking forward to DAIII, Bioware!

[Tripedius]

I don't dislike DA2 but it's still not a great game, just average. I liked DA:O, it was better than average. But in short, internetpolls are fail. I this case the people who hate the game will be overrepresented in the polls. Why? People who like it don't bother to come here and complain (or give praise) will the haters will. Also pc-gamers seem to dislike this game more and they tend to use internetforums more often than PS3/Xbox players.

[Siham]

Very interesting, thanks!

[Sharkey1337]

Thanks for the feedback guys, I really appreciate it! Especially Stanley Woo for even leaving a comment, so I know someone from Bioware has seen this thread. I really wish there was a better way for me to poll the forum, and I totally agree with you guys that have mentioned my pool size being too small and possibly biased, this is no perfect method by any means. However, you can't deny that there are some significant numbers nonetheless. The fact that the DA2 poll is 50:50 shows that there are currently the same number of people who love DA2 as there are who dislike it. The problem with any forum poll is the fluctuation of different people with different views, and yes not everyone who voted voted on all three polls, but the figures do match up to a convincing degree I believe. I'll definitely be leaving these polls up or maybe even creating new and improved polls, but I'd rather see Bioware posting polls/surveys as more people would answer them. Thanks again for the feedback guys, and keep it coming!

[FLStyle]

I can't say that I, my fellow fans nor BioWare weren't expecting this. From the very first nerd-rages of Hawke replacing a potential Old-God Child storyline to Dragon Effect complaints, it's been coming for a while.

BioWare wanted to create the Kirkwall storyline with the Mass Effect changes and action-oriented gameplay and fans wanted a continuation of the Ferelden storyline, improvement on the DA:O style and faster but not overly action-oriented gameplay. And because of it, DAII doesn't feel like a sequel at all, seems like a reboot of sorts.

That said I love both games because I'm all about the Dragon Age universe at large.

[Sanguinerin]

Personally, I loved Dragon Age Origins and found Dragon Age II to be an interesting story that I enjoyed. I do believe that I had more heart-wrenching moments in DAII and I came to care for the characters more. In fact, that might be why I have a problem with DAII. I cared so much for characters, that I was frustrated at the constant inability to save people. Even down to insignificant characters who played no greater role, like Huon's wife, there didn't seem to be the option to save anything. People were killed and things were destroyed. There was nothing you could do but live with it and move on until the next inevitable death. It was a compelling story that certainly tugged at my emotions, but... I am having a hard to putting myself back through it. I keep making characters and running through the prologue, but I can't seem to keep going a second time now that I know there's nothing I can really do make a difference.

[Sharkey1337]

HallowedWarden wrote...

Personally, I loved Dragon Age Origins and found Dragon Age II to be an interesting story that I enjoyed. I do believe that I had more heart-wrenching moments in DAII and I came to care for the characters more. In fact, that might be why I have a problem with DAII. I cared so much for characters, that I was frustrated at the constant inability to save people. Even down to insignificant characters who played no greater role, like Huon's wife, there didn't seem to be the option to save anything. People were killed and things were destroyed. There was nothing you could do but live with it and move on until the next inevitable death. It was a compelling story that certainly tugged at my emotions, but... I am having a hard to putting myself back through it. I keep making characters and running through the prologue, but I can't seem to keep going a second time now that I know there's nothing I can really do make a difference.

Yeah, I found it rather offputting that no matter what I really said or did, key events happen no matter what in a certain way, and it almost always turned into a bloodbath fight. I was really disappointed to see you couldn't ally yourself in battles that you weren't the focus of, instead you have to kill everyone indiscriminately. For me I think the rigidness of the game was a huge turnoff compared to the flexibility I found in Origins, at least for me that is.

[DrNegative]

Modifié par DrNegative, 14 mars 2011 - 09:31 .

[moilami]

Thanks, very interesting poll research - especially with the doubting comments made by trolls who say "omg me can't believe someone does not love the game ur poll suck".

[Sharkey1337]

DrNegative wrote...

Sweet! Thanks for the graphic! I do love me some pie charts

Modifié par Sharkey1337, 15 mars 2011 - 01:01 .

[Mr. Siegal]

Thank you OP. This was an interesting study as to the nature of the forum's tastes.

[sgriffin0810]

Thank you OP for going to the trouble to do this. Very informative and the results are telling.

[DiggingistDog]

Your number analyses is interesting but the only numbers BW will look at are sales of DA2 compared to sales of DA2. There will most likely be an increase but depending on whether or not the market for this franchise has significantly increased and whether or not sales for the dlc is good or bad will most likely decide the direction of this franchise for the future.

[Sharkey1337]

I think EA will be doing more of the sales number looking, while Bioware will be doing actual feedback researching. I know they were pressured with DA2, but I know they truly do care about the feedback (at least I hope to god they do).

[DiggingistDog]

Sharkey1337 wrote...

I think EA will be doing more of the sales number looking, while Bioware will be doing actual feedback researching. I know they were pressured with DA2, but I know they truly do care about the feedback (at least I hope to god they do).

You, as well as I, can't know anyones true intentions but the evidence is that BW loves profit just as much as the next dev.  Why would they have joined EA to begin with if this was not the case?

Also, they do care about feedback but the only feedback they care about are those who can significantly effect their sales and I'm afraid that fans like you and I are in the minority.

Modifié par DiggingistDog, 15 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[MrWakka]

Nice job, very interesting.