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[AngryProductsInc]

I'm currently dealing with the missing/kidnapped Qunari, so i'm thinking i'm atleast halfway, if not 80% of the way through the game. So far only Anders and Varric are friends with me -

Everyone else is stuck right in the middle. It seems every time I do something to gain rivalry, I gain friendship right after.

I can't seem to figure this damn system out. How important to the storyline is friendship and rivalry - cause it seems like i've only had two or three conversations with team mates which is a huge dissapointment when compared to Dragon Age.

[VettoRyouzou]

It a tad bit of an issue I agree it seems you will need to swap out team member allot threw out the game to get them all up or down and not just stick to an A-team.

One of the few point I enjoy over mass effect is not having to deal with this crap.

[Iecerint]

In the long run, you need specific members to be in either category, or they will be lost. Ignore it for now, though; it'll be more dramatic if you have to struggle with this a little.

[HopHazzard]

You do have to swap them out. Don't take Fenris or Sebastian on Anders's companion quests. If you want their friendship. Likewise, keep Aveline away from your shadier dealings. I've got full friendship on all of them except Merrill with whom I have full rivalry. I didn't find it as difficult as some people seem to, but I really couldn't tell you how I did it. One hint I can give is don't take Merrill on the Forbidden Knowledge quest unless you want to build rivalry with her. If you do, the quest is a must.

[Maria Caliban]

I never had this problem. Everyone loves Hawke, save for Anders because I told him I wouldn't help him.

Merrill: Likes it when you support mages. Likes it when you're diplomatic to her. Likes it when you help out elves.
Aveline: Wants to make her own decisions. Wants law and order upheld. Will sometimes be willing to bend the law for the sake of justice. Doesn't like you asking people for money.
Anders: Help mages and agree with his every mage-liberation idea.
Isabela: Sleep with her and be witty.
Varric: Be a half-way decent person. You have to murder puppy-dogs to for him to dislike you.
Fenris: Hurt mages. Hurt slavers.

You don't need to swap them out. I ran around 80% of the game with Aveline, Isabela, Merrill, and Verric. I only used the other for their side-quests.

As long as you're consistent in your RPing, you'll get 100%.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[Red Templar]

I like the system, but it seems to me like you still have to metagame just as much as you did in origins to progress your influence... you just have the option of metagaming in both directions. Overall it seems to me like friendship requires you to be a constantly polite sycophant who agrees with the person on everything, and rivalry requires you to be a hostile, antagonist jackass who is always contrary. Playing a consistent, moderate, rational individual just got me stuck in the middle with half the companions.

[Maria Caliban]

I never metagamed. I played a moderate mage.

I have no idea what you mean by 'rational' as that's a very subjective evaluation.

[RosaAquafire]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Fenris: Hurt mages. Hurt slavers.

He was the only one I found this complaint applied to. *I* found him pretty easy to work with because my Hawke was pro-Circle, but a character who's anti-Circle but anti-slavery (a pretty reasonable character position) has a hard time building him up one way or the other without gaming it.

I don't personally care, though, it's his character and sometimes you can't befriend everyone.

[Loc'n'lol]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Merrill: Likes it when you support mages. Likes it when you're diplomatic to her. Likes it when you help out elves.

Most importantly I think this has to do with helping her with her personal quest. Or as the case may be, actively refusing to help her. I did the later ("for her own good"), and ended up in rivalry. From here on, so long as I stuck by my decision, being nice with her or giving her gifts granted more rivalry (which may not make sense if you think of it in terms of approval/disapproval, she just likes me more and more, but we disagree on something fundamental).

I had no problem taking all my regular party members one way or the other as I wanted, so for me it works. Other party members that I used on a less regular basis ended up somewhere in the middle though.

It also seems that once you've gone all the way into friendship/rivalry, you stay there forever. Or it may just be that I never did anything that would make it go down, I don't know.

Modifié par _Loc_N_lol_, 13 mars 2011 - 09:50 .

[Raltar]

Fenris was the only one I had problems with. I was pretty much stuck right in the middle with him my first time through because I would agree with him about the slaver stuff. But as soon as it came to me helping mages, he got pretty pissed. So, my second time through, I just left his ass in the mansion and only used him for his personal quests and was able to max out his friendship really easily.