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[maselphie]

Drake Sigar wrote...

I totally DESTROYED the demo in a blog review and mentioned the combat as a major negative. But if you hated the demo and loved the game, well let’s just say you’ve given me a ray of hope.

Dude. Really. The demo is really not indicative of the full game. Even if you have to wait until it hits the bargain bin, please give it a chance. And play ALL the way through. It doesn't take that long.

[Malanek]

Drake Sigar wrote...

I totally DESTROYED the demo in a blog review and mentioned the combat as a major negative. But if you hated the demo and loved the game, well let’s just say you’ve given me a ray of hope.

I'm the same. I though the demo was complete rubbish and it set my expectations pretty low. Very pleasantly surprised by the actual game.

[IRMcGhee]

Fredvdp wrote...

IRMcGhee wrote...

AFCommando wrote...
*Snip*

NON-SPOILER THREAD ! Please edit.

And you quoted spoilers and put them in bold. Reported.

And removed it as soon as the spoiler was shifted. Not that it's stopped a load of other people repeating it since. Hope you've reported them too:P

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 13 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[archonsod]

I think DA 2 has the better characters, pacing and I like the way the narrative is less focused on a single main quest.
My main quibbles are the re-use of maps (which is a shame, because the pacing is a lot better, thinking particularly of DA:O's Deep Roads) and the combat. Mechanically the combat is better, but the wave spawn mechanics ruin it somewhat. It's nice to have enemies suddenly appear in the midst of the party *some*times, but when it's every time it feels too much like a grind.

Personally, I prefer it to Origins.

[Maverick827]

Whammo wrote...

If you're going to attack people for logical fallacies, it would be a good idea not to base your argument on an ad hominem.

How would you propose I attack someone without resorting to ad hominem? Where's the fun in that?

Though you will find no ad hominem in my post. Ad hominem refers to an irrelevant statement made against the opponent. Pointing out the lack of intelligence of those who claim others are "dumb" is entirely relevant, and entirely not an ad hominem argument.

[dewayne31]

i'm in same boat i was in hurry to judge the game. but i enjoyed it. and see where bioware was coming from with the dr and siblings. but i sill they were meant to survive. but i'm glad bioware put that option for them to die in there.

[Yrkoon]

AFCommando wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...
.....'s death was so badly executed, I snapped the disc in half.

No. it was not.

The way it was subtly forshadowed by Varric to Cassandra....  the   discussion with  [M....] before the exhibition itself...  it was perfect and  realistic.

And for me it was even more  of a loss, since I had invested so much in  [....'s] skills and build.  I had to play catch up after [....] died.

hawke showed zero emotion in the scene and you lose all there stuff which sucks big time.

  In my game, Hawke showed tons of emotion  (ALOT more than he did when Carver died), both in that scene and later when talking about it.     But since you're not the first to point this out,  I'm wondering if the level of Hawke's emotion is determined by the Friend/rivalry status he/she has with  [...],  and whether  you took the  Badass/good guy/sarcastic  choices in dialogue up to that point.

[3LECTRICOSITY]

maselphie wrote...

Whammo wrote...

If you were so critical about the demo, then why did you buy the game at release?

Good question. Because I played the demo eight times. They must be doing something right.

When I played through your first battle... Wow. I couldn't WAIT for the game.. I was a bit wary of the "recurring spawn", however I felt like it could easily be dealt with. You could feel when it was coming and it only felt like stuff would ever spawn 1 extra wave. 

But with a lack of story, lack of interesting character development, lack of.... anything outside the ****ing city you spend 10 hours in. (Im a quest ****, I admit it, i'm 10 hours into the game, have like.. 60 more subquests to do, and i'm about ready to take my game to EB and hit the cashier in the face with it. )

That being said. It doesn't suck. But it isn't a DA game. It's not the same game. You can't overhaul an ENTIRE GAME and call it the same ****ing thing. NOTHING is the same. AT ALL. While you can "explore" a tiny bit more. I still feel like I lost ANY FREEDOM to go anywhere lol. I could always just up and walk across Fereldan to Orzammar, maybe hit up Denirim or go hiking out to talk to my party in camp. 

Now i'm stuck in a town and a surrounding mountain area?10 hour's into DA:O (even being a quest ****) I still had access to go where I cared.

::SPOILER // SPOILER DON'T READS ASS FACES:::

I need 50 gold to go on an expidition and my character clearly says if I had that kind of gold, I wouldn't need to go. I'v got it now... why the **** do I need to go? You could end the ****ing game right there. >_>

[dostunuz]

enuff already with recycled areas over over over over im gonna kill myself.

[Whammo]

Maverick827 wrote...

Whammo wrote...

If you're going to attack people for logical fallacies, it would be a good idea not to base your argument on an ad hominem.

How would you propose I attack someone without resorting to ad hominem? Where's the fun in that?

Though you will find no ad hominem in my post. Ad hominem refers to an irrelevant statement made against the opponent. Pointing out the lack of intelligence of those who claim others are "dumb" is entirely relevant, and entirely not an ad hominem argument.

Grammatical errors on a message board do not imply that a person lacks intelligence. Pointing out grammatical errors in order to prove that some is "dumb" is a flimsy argument at best, especially so when it has no correlation to how they make games.

Just because someone likes complex games does not mean they are obliged to write perfectly on a forum.

[maselphie]

3LECTRICOSITY wrote...

That being said. It doesn't suck. But it isn't a DA game. It's not the same game. You can't overhaul an ENTIRE GAME and call it the same ****ing thing. NOTHING is the same. AT ALL.

Now, now ... that's not fair to say. Combat is nearly identical. The animations and cooldowns may be different, but it's still intact. (I'm playing on the PC, so I'm not sure about the console auto-attack issue.) It's still the DA world, you still travel via map, you still equip weapons/accessories, manage your entire party's skills and tactics ... It's been a long time since I had issues with the game on mechanics, because so far they've proven fun to me, so I may be forgetting some other things.

I know how you guys feel, really. What happened is that they streamlined things, and when the sandwhich shop down the street of me cut off my crusts without asking, I get mad. Do I eat the crusts? Is it not the same sandwich? Is is the just principle of the thing?

I'm a fan of the Fallout series, all of them. Just because Fallout 3 is different from 1 or 2 doesn't mean it was a bad game, nor unworthy of the "Fallout" title.

[maselphie]

dostunuz wrote...

enuff already with recycled areas over over over over im gonna kill myself.

Do you mean "I noticed the same area twice so I think I'm doing everyone a favor by pointing it out?" The areas were honestly not recycled to such a frequency that it was offensive.

[2Hard2C]

The people making the most criticism have not beaten the game. I have, completed every quest I can find, enjoyed it, might replay it later, but won't buy the DLC until a UE comes out.

Also, at least fully complete Act 1 before you can make a accuarte arguement for or against the game because it remains relavitily the same afterwards.

[DarthTempus]

I enjoy seeing someone make a compliment for this game. I've enjoyed it so far, almost done with act 3 now. I actually got really mad at the end of the All That Remains quest. Very emotional, charming, and fun game.

[3LECTRICOSITY]

maselphie wrote...

3LECTRICOSITY wrote...

That being said. It doesn't suck. But it isn't a DA game. It's not the same game. You can't overhaul an ENTIRE GAME and call it the same ****ing thing. NOTHING is the same. AT ALL.

Now, now ... that's not fair to say. Combat is nearly identical. The animations and cooldowns may be different, but it's still intact. (I'm playing on the PC, so I'm not sure about the console auto-attack issue.) It's still the DA world, you still travel via map, you still equip weapons/accessories, manage your entire party's skills and tactics ... It's been a long time since I had issues with the game on mechanics, because so far they've proven fun to me, so I may be forgetting some other things.

I know how you guys feel, really. What happened is that they streamlined things, and when the sandwhich shop down the street of me cut off my crusts without asking, I get mad. Do I eat the crusts? Is it not the same sandwich? Is is the just principle of the thing?

I'm a fan of the Fallout series, all of them. Just because Fallout 3 is different from 1 or 2 doesn't mean it was a bad game, nor unworthy of the "Fallout" title.

Regardless, Fallout still used a similiar "hit detection formula" (Love FO3 btw , FO1 and 2 were excellent as well). 

But this game traded realism for... not even sure what it is. I'v never seen someone dash 7 feet, let alone doing it with a sword which probably has a weight upward 65 pounds atleast. I'm all for the new battle animations and how it's quicker. I was hoping the way combat worked would of been changed slightly because it got REALLY slow at some points. However this, as I said, traded up realism for... eye candy, and even then it looks stupid sometimes. 

You cannot even customize your companions properly anymore... why the **** can't I give my companion armor n ****... 

And the dialog.. doesn't make sense half the time. I'll pick something that sounds sympathetic or helpful and my guy lashes out and basically calls the person an ****. 

This isn't a bad game stand alone, having no relation to DA. But when your fans expect a certain degree of the first game to be present in the second game, and it's not.. you kinda **** the whole thing up.

[Fidget6]

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

Seblun wrote...

DA2 is fantastic, those who are complaining probably haven't even gotten into the Deep Roads yet.

Wow so in DA:O Deep Roads is a place that makes people hate the game but in DA 2 its a place that makes people love the game?

Pretty much. The game did move a bit slow up until that point in DA2.

[Aermas]

Drogo45 wrote...

Nice post TC. DA 2 is a brilliant game.

I see a rival in you Drogo, you never fail to support a possitive post, whilst I never fail to support a negitive.

Viva la Re-Volus-ion

[3LECTRICOSITY]

Fidget6 wrote...

Dorian the Monk of Sune wrote...

Seblun wrote...

DA2 is fantastic, those who are complaining probably haven't even gotten into the Deep Roads yet.

Wow so in DA:O Deep Roads is a place that makes people hate the game but in DA 2 its a place that makes people love the game?

Pretty much. The game did move a bit slow up until that point in DA2.

Well if you feed someone rotting **** for a month, then give then overcooked, hard stale rice to eat, they are going to think it's fantastic. 

[Trobon18]

I agree with the OP. The demo was okay, but it didn't show how emotionally involved I would get in the game. There were points where I was laughing and points where my hands were shaking in grief/anger. I had more fun in this game than DA:O personally.

[Maverick827]

Whammo wrote...

Grammatical errors on a message board do not imply that a person lacks intelligence. Pointing out grammatical errors in order to prove that some is "dumb" is a flimsy argument at best, especially so when it has no correlation to how they make games.

Just because someone likes complex games does not mean they are obliged to write perfectly on a forum.

Let me rephrase, then: "Judging from the embarassingly broken English and logical fallacies..."

And DA2 is a much more complex game than DAO, both in combat (empircal fact) as well as story (simply my opinion).

[maselphie]

3LECTRICOSITY wrote...

This isn't a bad game stand alone, having no relation to DA. But when your fans expect a certain degree of the first game to be present in the second game, and it's not.. you kinda **** the whole thing up.

No they didn't screw it all up. Are you sure you're not overreacting? There are still very big overlaps between the first and second game. And your complaints are really minor ones. What did you think of the story? The characters?

[TaloniousMonk]

The reasoning behind not being able to play dress up with your companions is that they are meant to be your companions. People with their own lives, preferences and styles. Not drones that you can order to throw out the armor (or piratey short shorts) that they've always had in favor of whatever you just found in a box.


I can understand why it grates some people, but honestly, I always wondered why they were okay with playing barbie dress up every 10 minutes.

Modifié par TaloniousMonk, 13 mars 2011 - 10:48 .

[oldmansavage]

Many people will enjoy this game that is the nature of streamlining.

[Cody211282]

maselphie wrote...

dostunuz wrote...

enuff already with recycled areas over over over over im gonna kill myself.

Do you mean "I noticed the same area twice so I think I'm doing everyone a favor by pointing it out?" The areas were honestly not recycled to such a frequency that it was offensive.

How far into the game are you, because they made 1 house, 1 cave, and 1 warehouse for everything, if you do the side quests it really starts to eat away at you.