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[DarthCaine]

I'm not sure whether I should give her the knife to repair the mirror. What are the outcomes of each action? (I don't care about spoilers)

[Loc'n'lol]

If you don't she will become a rival to you and be kinda angry. Eventually she'll sort of come to terms with it but not until something bad happens later. It doesn't negatively impact your ability to romance her, if you push all the way towards rivalry, and she won't leave your party either (at least she didn't for me).

[Mustang678]

I gave her the knife. It didn't work.

[Raltar]

I'm fairly certain the same thing happens regardless of giving her the knife. The only thing I could see changing this the friendship/rivalry.

[MortalEngines]

 Both actions will have the same inevaitable outcome (I won't spoil it). However, there are change slightly how to get to that point in the story. Really I would base my choice on wheather you want to be Merrill's rival or her friend, because not giving her the knife will give you alot of rivarly points.

Also the choice you make changes how the conversations with her play out from then onwards.

[DarthCaine]

I've already maxed out everyone's except Fenris' friendship meter, so I can't gain rivalry with anyone anymore so that's not really a problem. I just wanna know what happens (i.e. what's the best outcome)

I've already read you'll have to kill the keeper and maybe the whole clan (which can be avoided), so I don't care about spoilers

[Dordro]

I romanced her and refused to give her the knife and it didn't give me any rivalry to her. At first she was mad at me and told me to go away but then I talked to her again and she was just sad because the mirror didn't fix anything (not sure why she was even talking about it I assume you would get the same conversation if you gave her the thing). But in Act 3 in her final quest she acted like I gave her the knife and it didn't work so we had to go to the demon.

[DarthCaine]

So, she repairs the mirror either way?

MortalEngines wrote...

Both actions will have the same inevaitable outcome (I won't spoil it). However, there are change slightly how to get to that point in the story.

Actually, I'd like details of the differences.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 13 mars 2011 - 11:13 .

[Dordro]

After we killed the keeper and demon I killed her entire clan and after that I think she just realizes that she should stop chasing after the past because it has destroyed many things she had held dear but you don't actually get to talk to her about it which disappointed me. The only reference about it in my playthrough was a conversation with Anders I think while I was running around after it.

[tallon1982]

There is a way to avoid killing her clan you know lol

[keiran_helcyan]

I didn't give her the knife in act 2. Initially she was angry, but then accepted my point of view and destroyed the mirror herself and basically swore of her dumb plan. It seemed like a nice alternative solution.

But then in Act 3 the game just bugs out and Merrill start complaining about how her mirror doesn't work so she needs to summon a demon. Wow, really? The mirror sitting destroyed in the corner that you smashed in Act 2 doesn't work? Ah, illusion of choice.

[Zaros]

tallon1982 wrote...

There is a way to avoid killing her clan you know lol

Indeed, but it involves being kind of an ass to her, and after seeing my response, I just decided to reload and go ahead with the slaughter.

When it said "I'll take responsibility", I was expecting Hawke to fess up about letting it get that far in the first place, and allowing them to blame him for the Keeper's death, not "Merrill is dangerous and she wont be hurting anyone again".

[DarthCaine]

So, not giving her the knife is bugged? Did anyone got it ok in their playthrough?

[Kinaori]

Yeah this whole thing confused me. I didn't give her the knife, and when she told me about summoning the demon I told her to sod off and she said she'd do it alone. But the quest was still there saying I had to take her to Sundermount. So I did and ended up having to kill the clan Would love to know how you prevent that? Do you just not go? (PM me if you want to avoid spoilers)

[DAFerelden91]

So regardless of the choice,the outcome is still the same?This really bothers me cause I really don't want to give her that thing... :/

[crashtec1]

EA Ruined this game, nuff said.

[Chiramu]

Kinaori wrote...

Yeah this whole thing confused me. I didn't give her the knife, and when she told me about summoning the demon I told her to sod off and she said she'd do it alone. But the quest was still there saying I had to take her to Sundermount. So I did and ended up having to kill the clan Would love to know how you prevent that? Do you just not go? (PM me if you want to avoid spoilers)

To not kill the clan you MUST choose the bottom choice. The first two choices result in you attacking the clan.

I don't see how slaughtering an entire camp of elves is nice though >.>. So I never ever want to defend Merrill and end up slaughtering the whole camp, just cause she used blood magic.

[hwmonky]

The entire game has story line flaws and it really screws up the emersion factor. Example; after Hawks Mother is killed and Isabella has her heart felt moment with Hawk in the bedroom, Hawks emotions go right back to normal other than a few references from others. I know the designers and story writers would have had to put a lot more work into the game to actually sink up emotions with the situations, but man it would have been sweet to play it with a sad, angry are happy Hawk, depending on the story line. But that’s just me wanting a perfect game.

[DKJaigen]

hwmonky wrote...

The entire game has story line flaws and it really screws up the emersion factor. Example; after Hawks Mother is killed and Isabella has her heart felt moment with Hawk in the bedroom, Hawks emotions go right back to normal other than a few references from others. I know the designers and story writers would have had to put a lot more work into the game to actually sink up emotions with the situations, but man it would have been sweet to play it with a sad, angry are happy Hawk, depending on the story line. But that’s just me wanting a perfect game.

Oh ffs not this again

[Plaintiff]

DarthCaine wrote...

So, she repairs the mirror either way?

MortalEngines wrote...

Both actions will have the same inevaitable outcome (I won't spoil it). However, there are change slightly how to get to that point in the story.

Actually, I'd like details of the differences.

Merrill never successfully completes the mirror.

If you give her the arulin'holm, it helps, but not enough, and Merrill has to return to the demon for advice.

If you didn't give her the arulin'holm, she manages to muddle along regardless and asks you to acocmpany her to the demon in act 3 anyway.

Depending on your dialogues choices, Merrill can die after the battle with the Pride demon (I think, not sure on this point). Her clan will also attack you when you leave the cave, unless you agree to take full responsibility for her.

On full friendship, Merrill will keep the eluvian and presumably keep working on it, though you can convince her to do other things in the meantime, rather than obsessing over it. If on the rivalry path, you can convince Merrill to break the eluvian and tell her to focus on "helping the alienage" or a few other options.

[jlb524]

Plaintiff wrote...
Depending on your dialogues choices, Merrill can die after the battle with the Pride demon (I think, not sure on this point).

She cannot die here.

Plaintiff wrote...
On full friendship, Merrill will keep the eluvian and presumably keep working on it, though you can convince her to do other things in the meantime, rather than obsessing over it. If on the rivalry path, you can convince Merrill to break the eluvian and tell her to focus on "helping the alienage" or a few other options.

I don't see it as Hawke convincing Merrill of anything here..on the friend path, Merrill realizes that she needs to start living for herself and not her people/clan.  We don't know if she will keep working on the mirror but if she does, it will be because she wants to do it as a hobby and not for 'her people/clan'.

On the rival path, she's almost angry at the mirror and how it's affected her life/clan and proceeds to destroy the thing. 

Hawke can make suggestions on what she should do afterwards (study Dalish history and helping the alienage are two possibilities for both friend and rival).

[TEWR]

DarthCaine wrote...

I'm not sure whether I should give her the knife to repair the mirror. What are the outcomes of each action? (I don't care about spoilers)

If you don't give her the Arulin'holm, you're siding with the woman who backed out of her deal to give Merrill the tool and Merrill rightfully hates you for it.

If you give it to her, you're recognizing that Merrill did the task and Marethari backed out of her deal, and that Merrill is deserving of the mirror.

At least that's how I've always seen it. Both games have given lots of information to prove that there is no danger from the Eluvians.

So -- were I you -- I'd give her the Arulin'holm. But, it's up to you

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 12 décembre 2011 - 11:15 .

[TEWR]

Zaros wrote...

tallon1982 wrote...

There is a way to avoid killing her clan you know lol

Indeed, but it involves being kind of an ass to her, and after seeing my response, I just decided to reload and go ahead with the slaughter.

When it said "I'll take responsibility", I was expecting Hawke to fess up about letting it get that far in the first place, and allowing them to blame him for the Keeper's death, not "Merrill is dangerous and she wont be hurting anyone again".

I roleplay my Tobias Hawke to only saying "I'll take responsibility" because it's what the clan wants to hear, and not what he actually believes. He knows that Merrill's in enough pain because of Marethari's death -- and the other clan members in Act II -- and he doesn't want her to be in even more pain.

He knows Merrill was right the whole time. He knows Marethari was in the wrong. But he's just good at reading people and sees that the clan -- all due to Marethari's baseless lies about Merrill -- only wants a scapegoat and they'll leave.

[SiIencE]

Maybe it's not allowed to 'awaken' 5 month old topics but hell.

I'm on my 6th/7th playthrough using different DOA++ save games (which i luckily had a backup off.) and this savegame i went with Morigan into the Eluvian in Awakening. but reading the reactions here the choices you make mean nothing, deny quest- still get it, refuse the knife- still tries to fix mirror, refuse to help summon the demon- still get quest to do so.

I take it this is the same mirror that was broken in DAO and where you took a shard off (so it would never be complete anyways).