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[NvVanity]

Like everyone else says it will die down eventually. I made of few posts of reasons pointing out what I like and pointing out some of DA2 flaws but both sides call me either "blind" or some variation of the word dumb.

Given time the haters will disappear. It's common on video game forums after releases for the haters to shove their opinions down other peoples throats. It happens on Bungie.net, Call of Duty sites, Lionhead for Fable, Bethesda for Fallout New Vegas and etc.

[B3taMaxxx]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Speaking of ME2, what do people find so bad about that game? Based on the reviews, it looks like a pretty cool game.

 People complain that it's a shooter and not a RPG. They forget that it is a shooter.....oh well.

 The DA II forum is full of people who rate it either a 1 or 10. There's few in between, and hardly worth conversing with.

[KenKenpachi]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Speaking of ME2, what do people find so bad about that game? Based on the reviews, it looks like a pretty cool game.

 People complain that it's a shooter and not a RPG. They forget that it is a shooter.....oh well.

 The DA II forum is full of people who rate it either a 1 or 10. There's few in between, and hardly worth conversing with.

Yar true enough. I'ld give it a 7.5 or an 8 myself.

[Chromie]

KenKenpachi wrote...

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Speaking of ME2, what do people find so bad about that game? Based on the reviews, it looks like a pretty cool game.

 People complain that it's a shooter and not a RPG. They forget that it is a shooter.....oh well.

 The DA II forum is full of people who rate it either a 1 or 10. There's few in between, and hardly worth conversing with.

Yar true enough. I'ld give it a 7.5 or an 8 myself.

Ithink 8-8.5 is a great score for DA2. If this was a new franchise it wouldn't have got so much hate.

And to the previous poster, apparently Mass Effect 2 took out some rpg elements from Mass Effect 1. How I don't know! We used to be able to get to level 60 but in ME2 only to level 30. I guess people don't like a talent system that makes sense. We also lost our inventory and moddable guns. I understand why though but I would have liked it in game. Also the planet scanning sucks and basically needed to upgrade anything you get in ME2. Seriously other then that ME2 is like a perfect game!

I think because ME2 was great people just assumed DA2 would be on the same leve.

[B3taMaxxx]

Ringo12 wrote...
I think because ME2 was great people just assumed DA2 would be on the same leve.

 I loved ME2, but for the life of me I can't play it multiple times. I played through both ME1 and  DA: Origins more times than I'll admit. I suspect I'll play through DA II several more times surpassing my ME2 playthroughs, though I'd give it a 8 to 8.5 and ME2 a 9 to 9.5. Odd, eh?

[Siansonea]

It seems like a lot of energy put towards something that one dislikes. If I didn't like the game, I probably would just return it and be done with it. Maybe if I had more of an emotional investment in the first game I might feel differently. I don't know, though, I think that if Mass Effect 3 is a disappointment, I probably won't spend a lot of time hashing over why I am disappointed.

For my part, I'm enjoying Dragon Age 2, probably for some of the same reasons that other people are hating it. I don't consider meaningless micromanagement of inventory and combat tactics to be "immersive". I haven't finished the game yet though, so I may have issues with it when it's all said and done, but I can't imagine I'll throw an epic snit over a $60 game. Epic snits are a lot of effort.

[Chromie]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...
I think because ME2 was great people just assumed DA2 would be on the same leve.

 I loved ME2, but for the life of me I can't play it multiple times. I played through both ME1 and  DA: Origins more times than I'll admit. I suspect I'll play through DA II several more times surpassing my ME2 playthroughs, though I'd give it a 8 to 8.5 and ME2 a 9 to 9.5. Odd, eh?

Oooooooooooooooo man. I loved Mass Effect 2! I think I played it with every class twice to get to level 30 with my saves from ME1. Everything was an improvement really other then the reasons I stated before. I would like some more RPG elements and driving around on planets but even the sidequests in ME2 had a better focus then any in ME1. Also Dragon Age 2, the sidequests aren't all simple I'm just getting to act 3 and I see recurring characters from a sidequest from Act 1, thats awesome! Hubert the guy in Hightown especially (my favorite) won't leave apparently too much trouble at the mines.

@Siansonea II  I really enjoy DA2. Everything is better really. I just miss my Isometric camera, being able to lay traps and spell combinations (class combo's work really nice though) also being able to go to other areas. Other then that and reused areas DA2 is a good game. People are just B****ing too much right now.

One thing I can't for the life of me is understand people saying Origins needed more skill. DA2 has better class balance, talent system makes much more sense and is just get these 16 talents which are all attacks/spells. Also one could solo bosses such as Flemeth and the Highdragon on Nightmare in Origins so saying it needs more tactics (not you just in general) makes no sense to me. Now no class can solo the game let a lone a boss and yes while the waves of enemies can be annoying i think it adds to the combat. I play on Nightmare and really DA2 is just so much more challenging if you haven't yet wait till you try the Rockwraith I did on Nightmare and I took around 46 minutes I thihnk. Best fight ever in a single player game.

[B3taMaxxx]

Mostly because they get moved, but is also a hot topic considering it just released.

[JRCHOharry]

There's a Dragon Age 2 forum? Is that the place where all the moody ones go?
I try to avoid that section like the plague.

[Greve]

I think it's a shame that the Dragon Age gets such a beating from the fans, but I sppose that's what happends when you proclaim to be sitting on the spritual ancestor of Baldurs Gate II.

Wha tworries me is that both BioWare and EA took a shot with Dragon Age II and with the bad press rolling in I dunno how they can possibly mpve forward. Chances are that we will see a Dragon Age III in a year time which will be even worse than it's prequel and then we'll never hear from the DA saga again.

It also gets me a little bit sad to see the flaming because the team was pretty sad after the first DA release (you could see this especially in Gaider's posts back then) and with another failure like this... Well it'll be interesting to see what they will come up with...

[B3taMaxxx]

Greve wrote...
It also gets me a little bit sad to see the flaming because the team was pretty sad after the first DA release (you could see this especially in Gaider's posts back then) and with another failure like this... Well it'll be interesting to see what they will come up with...

 I suppose with that skewed point of view all you're left with is failure. The game will sell fine, if not in the top five of the numerous RPGs coming out this year. Some would assume it's a failure if it doesn't get number one, or game of the year.

[Deadmac]

Even though I am not interested in this game, I can sympathize with everyone who is stressing. "Dragon Age II" had a large latter to climb, and in some cases it actually did succeed. If BioWare did keep things the same, people would have been upset about the lack of innovation. I give them credit for trying something new, and I hope this turns into something positive.

When "Dragon Age: Origins" was first released, I didn't have any interest in buying the game. Most of my stress comes from recently buying the game; thus, I haven't had a break from playing the original story. I have only played "Dragon Age: Origins" twice, and I have only completed "Awakenings" once. Since the game is massive, with the dlc installed, it takes an extremely long time to finish the game. While I was playing the demo for "Dragon Age II", I was already exhausted from hearing 'Darkspawn, Chantary, Blight, etc..." a hundred times over. It was just too much for me to handle, so my perception of "Dragon Age II" is rather negative. I haven't been waiting a good year for the sequel. It happened overnight, so I apologize for my lack of enthusiasm.

When you read a negative review about something you like, do not take it as an attack on you personally. Even though the forums may be looking messy, time finds a way to heal everyone's wounds. "Dragon Age II" was one of those games, which had built a very critical cult following. Eventually the negative comments will fade into the background.

Until that time does arrive, enjoy the game and who cares what others say.

Modifié par Deadmac, 16 mars 2011 - 02:08 .

[Deadmac]

B3taMaxxx wrote...
I suppose with that skewed point of view all you're left with is failure. The game will sell fine, if not in the top five of the numerous RPGs coming out this year. Some would assume it's a failure if it doesn't get number one, or game of the year.

Let us put it like this... Some of the best games in the world never win awards. When "Knights of the Old Republic II" was going up for 'Game of the Year', another more entertaining and engaging rpg never made it onto the list. If all the elite gamming sites had paid attention, "Vampire the Masqurade: Bloodlines" would have beaten "Knight of the Old Republic II" with just an exhale. It was a hundred times better all around, and it got snubed by the entire industry.

Why did "KotOR II" win? It had a "Star Wars" logo.

Modifié par Deadmac, 16 mars 2011 - 02:22 .

[88mphSlayer]

Capt. Obvious wrote...

Greve wrote...

I think it's a shame that the Dragon Age gets such a beating from the fans, but I sppose that's what happends when you proclaim to be sitting on the spritual ancestor of Baldurs Gate II.

Wha tworries me is that both BioWare and EA took a shot with Dragon Age II and with the bad press rolling in I dunno how they can possibly mpve forward. Chances are that we will see a Dragon Age III in a year time which will be even worse than it's prequel and then we'll never hear from the DA saga again.

It also gets me a little bit sad to see the flaming because the team was pretty sad after the first DA release (you could see this especially in Gaider's posts back then) and with another failure like this... Well it'll be interesting to see what they will come up with...

BioWare should be given props that they dared to try something new unlike games like CoD were it's pretty much just the same game with a fresh code of paint.

fixed

EA set the bar years before Activision for rehashing with EA Sports

although personally i don't think the changes Bioware made to Dragon Age 2 were "new" at all, just borrowing old ideas from just about every bioware game besides DAO

[FDrage]

The issues I have with DA2 are more or less similar to the issues I have with ME2 in that sense that they went 1 or 2 steps tooo far with some of the changes. Overall DA2 had more changes I didn't particular liked hearing about (no DW2 warrior) and some I can't quite understand exactly (class uniquess drive, graphics style) when compared to ME2 (pet dislike with shooters in general ... ammo).

On the other side both ME2 and DA2 have things I like mostly related to the story, setting, etc. So I suspect (of what I gleem from wiki and other forum parts that part of the game mechanic and story mechanic issues towards the end of DA2 might class with my sense of enjoyment.

Edit:  Baah ... even off-topic draws me into a DA2 discussion ... where is a good old HoH game. Ah a few posts below .

Capt. Obvious wrote...

The worst part is that now I'm starting to notice Dragon Age 2 topics appearing on the Off-Topic forum.

Edit: OK, well, technically this is a Dragon Age 2 topic. Well, actually, it's more about flaming and trolling which appears to be happening on the Dragon Age 2 forum, but you get the point.

That's why I'm trying to "hide" here in the off-topic ... , just seems very hard to have a rational discussion about the good and bad points of DA2 without starting some kind of "war".

Modifié par FDrage, 16 mars 2011 - 12:21 .

[Seagloom]

It is the same as it has always been: a festering pit of arguments, banal spam and snark that refuses to die. On occasion there is a topic with actual conversation taking place. Those were nice back when I was not trying to actively avoid the place due to spoilers. Unfortunately they were also rare. I expect it will remain that way for another few months until people steadily lose interest in DA2. It is certainly not what the DAO forums were. Sure, that forum had more than its share of spamming, flaming, and baseless claims thrown about, but it was easier to find real discussion. DA2's forums are almost as chaotic as the Mass Effect boards. Not a good thing in my opinion. Not a good thing at all.

Modifié par Seagloom, 16 mars 2011 - 12:28 .

[AntiChri5]

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

Then i facepalmed so hard i broke my nose.

Which made me cry.

[FDrage]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Then i facepalmed so hard i broke my nose.

Which made me cry.

here ... have a medigel ...

[surfgirlusa_2006]

The rational and sane people get drowned out in the general forum by those who just like to create the same hate threads repeatedly. Between that, the PC/console wars, and the people who hate DA2 simply because it isn't Origins, it's a frightening place to be. Criticism of the game is certainly valid (I have my criticisms), but calling people names or overreacting by saying that the game is a sign of the apolcalypse will get people nowhere.

There are a few good threads if you can sift out the spam and irrational love/hate threads, though.

[Da_Lion_Man]

I knew Dragon Age II wouldn't please everyone and it would receive hate of some fans. But the hate is pretty excessive. I don't think I've seen worse for a game that just launched.

As for Dragon Age II, I'm actually enjoying it quite a bit, even thought there are some things about the game I don't like or find questionable.

Also... MAN-GIRAFFE-DOG HAS BEEN SPOTTED!

[Joshd21]

I think I liked origins storyline better, DA2 combat better. This is what happens when they listen to people complain about not being hard enough, wanting more unique combat system. I would be just fine on the old combat system if it meant the storyline would have been longer.

[Rockworm503]

 I'm avoiding it like the plague until I finish the game so I don't know what its like there.