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[Pileyourbodies]

Don't forget abominations mustn't forget that.

[LobselVith8]

I thought Ser Thrask was a good person. It's unfortunate that he was killed in "Best Served Cold." Does anyone know what changes happen if Thrask is killed in "Act of Mercy" since it seems to be an option?

[Naitaka]

Wait, Ser Thrask dies even if I kill Grace in Act 2? Bleh...I guess the game really IS linear no matter what you do.

[Pileyourbodies]

You kill everyone but thrask in the fight if you side against the templars there.

[Big_Choppa]

I'm a mage sympathizer.

[LobselVith8]

Pileyourbodies wrote...

You kill everyone but thrask in the fight if you side against the templars there.

That's what I did (because I liked him and thought he was trustworthy), but I recall that Grace suggests killing Thrask, and it was an option in the dialogue. I've heard things are different when you choose this, but I've never heard of anyone who actually killed him and if it made any difference in the storyline.

[LobselVith8]

Big_Choppa wrote...

I'm a mage sympathizer.

I know the feeling.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 18 mars 2011 - 05:58 .

[Lady Danger]

Nope, I absolutely refuse to side with the templars or the chantry on the whole, although I don't condone Anders' action. Taking into consideration all the events that have happened so far in Dragon Age Origins to DA2, the system presented by the chantry (and the politics of Thedas concerning over minority groups) is inherently broken. The chantry as a whole seems to reinforce the notion that mages should not treated with respect and instead treated like they are cursed, will turn into demons at any moment and don't have any control over their actions and this is constantly reinforced by the increasing hopelessness of their situation as a socially disenfranchised group. Whether you agree with the assessment that mages have NO control over their actions and will inevitably become a large legion of abominations, I don't believe that negative reinforcement and mentality is the right way to deal with a particularly powerful minority.

To me it is also rather illogical to present the theory that any society in which mages are not subjugated by the chantry and templars will become the Tevinter Imperium. I do believe that overall, a middle ground will be presented in game... one that does not involve killing all mages when they are children, because I doubt that will work either.

Modifié par Lady Danger, 18 mars 2011 - 06:28 .

[Kamikazi117]

mrsph wrote...

Kill everyone and let the Maker sort them out.

I would of loved to just run in swinging my sword around like a windwill making aeroplane noises. My ROFL knife goes SOI SOI SOI SOI!.

[Caelum-Fen]

Based on just Kirkwall?

Screw the bloody mages. The only decent one seemed to be Bethany and she wasn't even from Kirkwall. And Anders...ugh. I really dislike him. If he stopped talking about mages and just about pounce-a-lot I probably would've married him x3.

On a whole, I just though the mages were stupid, the lot of them. "We're going to prove the Templars wrong about mages by doing everything they said we'd do! Hehe!" - yeah. Plus, Ander's kept comparing the circle to slavery when talking to Fenris and thar just pissed me off to a whole new level because, quite frankly, if your given the choice between the circle - learning to control your magic but being potentially abused by Templars, or slavery - Being abused, humiliated, and objectified, and depending on your master, used for horrible experiments, probably raped, and basically loosing all independence...I'm going to go with the circle.

So, yes, I sided with the Templars.

If it really were the minority of mages who were like that, then I probably wouldn't have but as Kirkwall is full of bat**** crazy Templars...well.

[TastesLikeTNT]

And thus, the zombie-thread rose from the dead to feast on all the delicious brains in the land.

[Lazy Jer]

Too dang lazy to read the entire thread, so forgive me if I cover overly trodden ground with this post, but I could not and still can't seem to support the templars.  Meredeth had kind of flipped her lid, even her boy Cullen seemed to indicate that, even as he was defending her.  Sure the Chantry blowing up (thanks a flippin' lot for that, Anders.) was a heavy event and did require a strong response, but to kill every mage in the circle, six to twelve year old kids and all, just for the actions of one mopey brooding apostate...yeah that's kind of a no.

EDIT:  Oops...did I just contribute to thread-necromancy?

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:26 .

[Cobra's_back]

I supported the mages. I wanted to support the templars on my second playthrough but couldn't sign off on killing kids.

[TobiTobsen]

Holy necro, Batman!

[Uccio]

No, siding with templars is bad, very bad. Templars are evil slavers.

[Dave of Canada]

Ukki wrote...

No, siding with templars is bad, very bad. Templars are evil slavers.

Ah, how I'd love to live in a black and white world.

[TheJediSaint]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ukki wrote...

No, siding with templars is bad, very bad. Templars are evil slavers.

Ah, how I'd love to live in a black and white world.

Much easier to organize when everything falls into just two catagories.

[TEWR]

No, it's an evil evil decision and you should feel ashamed of yourself Templar supporters! =P

But seriously, aside from the fact that the mages are innocent, there are other reasons why a person shouldn't side with the Templars.

[DarkDragon777]

Siding with the Templars is the logical choice. The only way to keep some sort of order. Everyone refers to the Temlars as "the evil mage slayers", but they're the only thing keeping the world from anarchy.

[TheJediSaint]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

No, it's an evil evil decision and you should feel ashamed of yourself Templar supporters! =P

But seriously, aside from the fact that the mages are innocent, there are other reasons why a person shouldn't side with the Templars.

I'm a mage sympathizer myself, but I know that not all mages are innocent.  It's because of mages like Quentin, Uldred, and Anders that people are afraid of mages and therefore force good mages like Wynne and Bethany into servitude. 

[TEWR]

I personally can't slaughter the mages to the last because all that death will thin the Veil even more (possibly permanently). The very definition of an Annulment is killing en masse, whereas if you side with the mages you're not forced to actually kill anyone. You're just trying to get the mages out. And indeed there are spells for all of the classes that could be used to not kill the Templars but neutralize them.

....the game doesn't allow for this though since all you do is fight fight fight and kill kill kill.

Funny thing: Anders says that the Gallows entrance used in Dissent has saved hundreds of mages, so that should help speak for how many mages the Gallows holds.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 04 octobre 2011 - 07:58 .

[jamesp81]

The templars themselves aren't all evil. Some are and some aren't, as you'd expect with any group you care to assemble.

But I cannot justify siding with the templars under any circumstances. What they do is imprison people for an accident of birth who have committed no crime. It's false imprisonment at best and slavery at worst.

Every individual has an inherent right to live their lives without interference as long as they don't choose to harm others. There is literally nothing that anyone can say or do that will justify what the chantry does to mages in Thedas. Violent resistance is always justified to resist slavery.

Now, I know someone's going to protest that "not all templars are evil". No, they aren't. Many of them are fine people. But being a templar is also optional. You sign up for the Oppress The Mages club and you necessarily have to suffer the consequences if things go bad.

[jamesp81]

TheJediSaint wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

No, it's an evil evil decision and you should feel ashamed of yourself Templar supporters! =P

But seriously, aside from the fact that the mages are innocent, there are other reasons why a person shouldn't side with the Templars.

I'm a mage sympathizer myself, but I know that not all mages are innocent.  It's because of mages like Quentin, Uldred, and Anders that people are afraid of mages and therefore force good mages like Wynne and Bethany into servitude. 

No.  Good mages like Wynne and Bethany are forced into servitude because the Chantry uses deadly force to bring them into servitude when they've committed no crime.  I would respect the templars more if they did not sit around and watch mages like Big Brother, but instead only hunted the criminal mages when the cropped up.

There is no justification for what the Chantry does to mages.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:37 .

[thats1evildude]

jamesp81 wrote...

There is no justification for what the Chantry does to mages.

*koff koff abominations koff koff*