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[AngelicMachinery]

Obviously yes.

[TheLastAwakening]

yes. While I like DA 2 this does not seem like a true sequel to DA:O because so many things were stripped out. Then again there is still hope that DA 3 will come through with a win, if not I suggest naming it something else .

[Arawn-Loki]

Reception is low right now because the "betrayed" Origins fan base is rushing to their multiple email accounts to write as many 0 reviews as they can on as many websites as they find so they can manipulate Bioware/EA into making games that cater exclusively to them. 

Hopefully Metracritic and other sites step up their efforts to find offenders. Eventually more moderate voices will make their way to the site and raise the score to a 7 or 8. 

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 15 mars 2011 - 10:42 .

[Galad22]

I would be little more merciful to it. Not by much though it would still have the exact same problems.

[Mikeslav]

No

This is one of the worst RPG's I've played.

[Marn_Cherone]

Bleers wrote...

If this was just Dragon Age:Kirkwall, would the people who are so upset just evaluate it on its own merits and not as a sequel to dragon age origins? I really hope they do end up making a sequel eventually.

strangly, I'd say: Yes

However it's still a combination of  "disapponitment of expectiing something else" and "qality issues pointing out a rushed game" (e.g. obsessive reuse of game areas)

Modifié par Marn_Cherone, 15 mars 2011 - 10:53 .

[Eurhetemec]

Definitely it would be a lot better.

I wish it had been called DA:Kirkwall, actually, as for all that I like DA2, I'd like to see DA:O's story really continued with my Grey Warden.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 15 mars 2011 - 10:47 .

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

I think people would complain no matter how it was titled or what the marketing was, they would want their own 'perfect' ideal of the franchise. It doesn't matter if its bad or good, someone's always going to be pissed off.

[mcha82]

I think probably the biggest mistake was the title they gave this game. The thing is when you put a "2" there, it's implied as a sequel.

Dragon Age 2 isn't a sequel however, it feels like a reboot. It may take place in the same world, but it's a completely different story, and has different in-game mechanics (some changes more drastic then others) than Origins.

Naming it Dragon Age 2 was just asking for trouble.

Modifié par mcha82, 15 mars 2011 - 10:58 .

[TJSolo]

Arawn-Loki wrote...

Reception is low right now because the "betrayed" Origins fan base is rushing to their multiple email accounts to write as many 0 reviews as they can on as many websites as they find so they can manipulate Bioware/EA into making games that cater exclusively to them. 

Isn't that what this thread is hinting at? I mean without the insults and blind accusations.

[EternalPink]

Yes it would have been better recieved since people wouldn't have expectations

But

Pre-orders would have been a lot lower, from reading the boards at the time, a lot of people pre-ordered as soon as you possibily could just from the game/developer reputation.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Not from me. I judge every game on the same scale.

[DraCZeQQ]

Its called Dragon Age? I always though its Dragon Effect 2

[keginkc]

mcha82 wrote...

I think probably the biggest mistake was the title they gave this game. The thing is when you put a "2" there, it's implied as a sequel.

Dragon Age 2 isn't a sequel however, it feels like a reboot. It may take place in the same world, but it's a completely different story, and has different in-game mechanics (some changes more drastic then others) than Origins.

There's plenty of literary precedent for sequels with different protagonists.   That's nothing new, nor is it inherently wrong.  And as far as video games go, BioWare's done exactly the same thing in several of the other series they've done, at least the ones that didn't have the words "Mass" or "Effect" in the title.  Although that one obviously had a similar change in in-game mechanics, as you put it.  In any case, they've said from the very beginning (meaning before Origins came out) that this was going to be a series composed of unique stories rather than an ongoing arc.


As far as the game's reception, I think it would have been better if they'd not released a demo.  That's when things really got ugly here on the board (not that it was ever pretty...), and I think there are a lot of people who began their anti-DA2 crusade based on it.  I say that as somebody who liked the demo and loves the game.  But I think there are a segment of folks who never gave the game a chance after playing the demo, and I think they're some of the most vocal campaigners against the game.

But at the same time, I don't think the perceived reception of the game is necessarily a reflection of reality.  I know a number of folks who will never, ever set foot on these boards who've played it non-stop since release, and most of them fall into the so-called "PC elite" crowd with me.  I really do think we're seeing a vehemently vocal minority here.  And I think there are a lot of people in the real world, people with jobs and families, who are only in the middle of the game, and a long way off from finishing it.

[vhatever]

Ya, I think a lot of the acrimony is in the realm of disappointment, and not in the actual quality of the game.

[Suron]

Teh Chozen Wun wrote...

It doesn't matter, it's DA2 and not DA:O2.

but if it's DA2 and not DA:O2 then where is DA?
if DA is essentially DA:O then how isn't DA2 essentially DA:O2?

exactly...no offense to you but this line of reasoning for defending it is absolutely moronic.

[RPGamer13]

I believe if it was a standalone game and didn't bave dragon age anywhere in the title, then it probably wouldn't have as many complaints toward the game. But I still think the things prople say about Bioware abnd EA would still be there.

It's like Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, it received complaints about how it isn't Castlevania anymore, but that as an action game it was pretty solid. And people threw out the God of War clone accusation on the game as well.

[xtal84]

< Agrees that it should have had a colonized title rather than numbered.

i.e. Dragon Age: Kirkwall Something Or Other, as someone else suggested. It does stand alone, but not quite like a proper sequel. Not that proper this or that matters but ... eh.

[mcha82]

keginkc wrote...

There's plenty of literary precedent for sequels with different protagonists.   That's nothing new, nor is it inherently wrong.  And as far as video games go, BioWare's done exactly the same thing in several of the other series they've done, at least the ones that didn't have the words "Mass" or "Effect" in the title.  Although that one obviously had a similar change in in-game mechanics, as you put it.  In any case, they've said from the very beginning (meaning before Origins came out) that this was going to be a series composed of unique stories rather than an ongoing arc.


As far as the game's reception, I think it would have been better if they'd not released a demo.  That's when things really got ugly here on the board (not that it was ever pretty...), and I think there are a lot of people who began their anti-DA2 crusade based on it.  I say that as somebody who liked the demo and loves the game.  But I think there are a segment of folks who never gave the game a chance after playing the demo, and I think they're some of the most vocal campaigners against the game.

But at the same time, I don't think the perceived reception of the game is necessarily a reflection of reality.  I know a number of folks who will never, ever set foot on these boards who've played it non-stop since release, and most of them fall into the so-called "PC elite" crowd with me.  I really do think we're seeing a vehemently vocal minority here.  And I think there are a lot of people in the real world, people with jobs and families, who are only in the middle of the game, and a long way off from finishing it.

I have to disagree with in regards that they shouldn't have released the demo. Had they not released the demo, the negative reaction would have been FAR worse in my opinion. I just can't imagine any realistic scenario were the reaction would have been more muted or less vocal had they not released the demo. The demo itself gave players a good idea what the new combat mechanics were like, so people knew what they were getting into. Buying the game, not knowing what your getting into, would have easily pissed off more people.

As far as the vocal minority as you acertain, I think that's yet to be determined. At the end of the day it's going to be sales that going to decide matters. But it's never good from a PR standpoint, especially in this industry to antagonize a fairly significant portion of your customer base. Let's be honest here, I don't recall fan reaction on the forums ever being this bad for any Bioware game, not even for Mass Effecft 2, the forums were never like this. The fact that Bioware had to make an entirely new forum for only registered users of the game should speak volumes about that.

Modifié par mcha82, 15 mars 2011 - 11:39 .

[kr33g0r]

I'm going to say no. Even if it didn't have the Dragon Age name or didn't come after Dragon Age Origins it is still a bland, lifeless world with uninteresting character's and a mediocre story.

Even Mass Effect (to which this game was modelled) had a far better world and character's.... and everything.

Modifié par kr33g0r, 16 mars 2011 - 12:41 .

[MPSai]

If it wasn't DA2 I'd probably be harder on it. It'd be harder not to see it as just an average fantasy game.

[Rockpopple]

This boggles the mind.

It's not called Dragon Age: Origins 2. There are no Origins in the game and there are no Origins in the title.

But.... still people are freaking out at a game they will usually admit is a good or great game, but only hate it because it has the words "Dragon Age" in it

Gamerlogic will never, ever make sense to me.

Modifié par Rockpopple, 16 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[mcha82]

Rockpopple wrote...

This boggles the mind.

It's not called Dragon Age: Origins 2. There are no Origins in the game and there are no Origins in the title.

But.... still people are freaking out at a game they will usually admit is a good or great game, but only hate it because it has the words "Dragon Age" in it

Gamerlogic will never, ever make sense to me.

It's called Dragon Age 2

What does that "2" mean if it doesn't imply some sort of sequel? I think some of the negative reaction would have been avoidable had they simply called it Dragon Age: Exodus or Dragon Age: The Legend, or whatever. Because this game feels more like a reboot then anything else.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Certainly not. Calling it Dragon Age 2 is pretty misleading...it's the same universe and that's about it. New main character, mostly new companions, people can suddenly swing weapons at light speed, a whole different art style, etc. plus the game does not seem to add anything to the main plotline right n...wait, what main plotline? O_o

[Grovermancer]

Soilborn88 wrote...

If this game wasn't Dragon Age, IGN, Gamespy much all other corporate multimedia review websites would have gave this game a mediocre rating. 

I just don't see how this game pulls off a review that's in the same light and positive like Origins when this game has a lot less to offer.

True.

toggled wrote...

If the game was appropriately titled
"Mindless Hack & Slash with Copy & Paste Dungeons Pwn!" then yes
I think it would get a better reception - because only people
interested in Mindless Hack & Slash with Copy & Paste dungeons
would purchase it.

True.

Adugan wrote...

The outrage is about DA2 ruining the franchise. If it was on its own, it would just suck and people would ignore it.

True.


Now... what if this were not a DA game, not set in the DA universe, AND it was not made by BW?  (ie, everything the same, but the title, IP, dev name, etc)

This conversation wouldn't be happening, because no one would know or care about the game, and all review sites would've given it ~6.0, and within 5 months it would disseappear into obscurity and the dev's scrambling what to do w/ their company after the debacle.